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47 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Ever notice the 2X Allen really got "hurt" it was in the pocket? 

Like most running QBs. And of course all the statuesque slow moving ones ha ha

 

TBH when the Cheats nearly KOed him it was a run, and yesterday shoulder injury was in a scramble though not an actual run play.

 

Yesterday both QBs, but even more so for Josh, had all day to throw. AMAZING job on pass protection by the Bills Oline. One of those games he didn't need to run. But it's always there to be used. A nightmare for opposing defenses :)

 

I still cringe at his QB sneak at one yard line on FIRST DOWN after injuring his shoulder... Either the Bills coaches know it's not serious or that was dumb! 

 

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This thread is legendary. We’ve gone from I hate him doing all this running, to why isn’t he running more instead of throwing the ball all over the place?

I love his runs. But I don't mind a game like yesterday either! Credit to the OLine.

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1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

I like it. Pick your spots Joshua.

 

It's not just that though. Against the Jets we actually called his number several times. It seems more like the staff has asked him to dial it back with the runs. This is probably in part because Allen has now proven himself as an elite passer. So if the coaching staff knows he can lead us to wins with his arm alone then why have him out there running?

 

Personally, I think he needs to run at least a few time a game. Especially on those 2nd and 7 and 3rd and 7 downs that just break the back of the defense. Hopefully Allen is just saving those for later in the year and they are not being completely coached out of him. Let Josh be Josh.

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Raiders proved themselves to be nearly as dirty as the Jets.  I think it was a good decision in this game.

That 24, holyshit! After every play he was pushing/hitting/grabbing at someone. That guy should have been tossed from the game. Not to mention 99 spear dive at Allen while he was being tackled and ended up leading to injury. After he was stomping/swinging at morse on the ground a few plays before. Had me thinking what the hell is Gruden coaching over there!

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen passing the ball is a higher percentage play than Allen running the ball. This is a positive development. Both Allen and Daboll have realized this. Allen still thinks he's Superman though when plays breakdown. That's going to be tough to coach out of him. 

I don’t think they should try.  He is Superman.  

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1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.

 

1) Seems like he was moving the ball without it so why run and risk injury?

2) Maybe he had a heart-to-heart with his WRs after John Brown made his heartfelt comments in his media availability last week and they made him see he can really hurt the team if he's injured and goes out by running when he doesn't need to

3) Pending a chance at the all-22, it seems to me that Gruden's kind of strange defensive strategy was to keep Allen in the pocket and force him to beat them as a QB.  Allen shrugged and said "OK"

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I would rather he focus on playing QB and IF needed, he can take off with it.  When the opening is there, go, but be the facilitator not the only playmaker as the primary option.  With all the guys he has out there, no need for him to be getting hammered on.  The WR core is at least 4 quality players deep and a couple of gadget/pure speed guys there too, so no need to make up that gap now.  Knox is an animal, also definitely looked more cautious yesterday w ball control, and DS, looked great yesterday.

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It wasn't until yesterday did it really, really sink into my thick skull that we no longer need Josh to run it on every must-have third down. It is such great progress that our offense now forces any and every defense to play us honestly.

 

And, maybe in a game against KC or the Pats*, Allen will be able to actually surprise someone again when he snaps off an important 50-yard play with his legs.

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Brian Daboll is from the Belichick tree of coaching, and very much believes in switching up his attack dependent on the opponent.

This is the first year he's had the talent to pretty much do whatever he wants.

 

So far, we have only used our running backs sparingly.  And we really haven't needed a strong running game yet.

But I believe there will be a game soon, where the Bills go run-heavy.  They are just waiting for the right matchup.

 

Same with Josh Allen on designed runs.  One an opponent starts dropping their guard, Allen will start taking advantage.

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5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

 

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.


I think this loops back to the more accurate early season thread of “why did he run so much” against the jets 

4 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Why would you want to "fix" something that doesn't need it?  Leave well enough alone.  4-0 not good enough?


this is always my least favorite take around winning fan bases. 
 

heaven forbid someone thinks the team is imperfect and wants to chat about opportunities. We should all just sit around all week cheerleading everything. 

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9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

this is always my least favorite take around winning fan bases. 
 

heaven forbid someone thinks the team is imperfect and wants to chat about opportunities. We should all just sit around all week cheerleading everything. 

 

OK - so you wanna RUN JA into the ground?  Sorry man - but that is no bueno in my book.  I'd rather have a healthy QB than a banged up one.  Admit it.....your heart almost went through your throat when you saw JA walking into the tunnel holding his arm.  I'll admit my response was too overly broad but I was discussing the topic at hand.  You wanna talk about how to improve the D?  The O-Line?  I'm all over that.  JA needing more running attempts?  Nope.

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6 hours ago, BuffaloTX said:

Why run when you have the keys to this WR group?

Exactly....why run when you have Diggs, Brown, Beasley & Davis. He will always have it in his arsenal, but he no longer has to run 5 qb sweeps per game. Those days are over. But be afraid, be very afraid.  Josh can still run.

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5 hours ago, PirateHookerMD said:

He is having so much success from the pocket that it seems unnecessary. They are also probably keeping it off of film now and "saving it" for certain scenarios and games. 


  Good job Doc.  My wiseguy response going to be, “duh, he doesn’t need to, but I would get slapped by my son or daughter.”  The cool thing is he can just focus on this and when it’s on the line and it will with the Hawks, Chiefs, 49ers even with their banged up guys, Pats, and I can keep going like the Titans this week is when we need a surprise. Lull a team into only 20 yards rushing against the Jets, Broncos, and so on, and then BAM, PING, POW (sorry I loved the Batman reruns as a little kid on Channel 29) Dabolls dusts off the designed run playbook and gashes a couple of big ones.

 

I know no one will be that surprised, but if you want to hold a card back for the biggest games, it’s one of those moments you say, “Is this Jimmy Shaker Day?”  I’m sure you guys know that movie line.  It’s only on AMC every other month.

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1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

OK - so you wanna RUN JA into the ground?  Sorry man - but that is no bueno in my book.  I'd rather have a healthy QB than a banged up one.  Admit it.....your heart almost went through your throat when you saw JA walking into the tunnel holding his arm.  I'll admit my response was too overly broad but I was discussing the topic at hand.  You wanna talk about how to improve the D?  The O-Line?  I'm all over that.  JA needing more running attempts?  Nope.


a bit erratic there with not saying what you mean and then reading things that weren’t written. 
 

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Now that defenses have no choice but to respect the Bills' passing game, I think you'll see lanes open up as defenders fall back to avoid getting bombed. It's the catch-22 defenses face when playing Wilson. We haven't even seen Allen rip off the crazy runs yet, he's been judicious, more signs of his development.

 

What we've seen from Allen's early returns is the ultimate videogame player, it's almost a parody. Someone with an arm THAT strong, can use it appropriately, and has one of the best receiving corps in the league. Oh and btw, this guy is also a Top 3 running QB. Did you hear about the time he overpowered the Cowboys' defensive line? Or when he hurdled an NFL linebacker?

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6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

 

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.

He doesnt need too.  Unlike say Lamar, he is winning with his right arm from the pocket.  Eventually teams will stop wanting to be carved up from the pocket and those lanes will open again.

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His WRs actually get consistent separation from WR1 all the way down to WR4/5, he gets more time in the pocket behind an improved line, and in his third year he’s seeing the field much better.  Running so often was a bailout for him to keep the chains moving while the rest of his game developed. Now he simply doesn’t need to with so many weapons on offense at his disposal.

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7 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

 

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.

 

Having been an advocate of "pocket Allen", I think later in these games when opposing defenses are backing off into a variety of cover-3 and 4 looks and there is only a 4-man rush or a 4-man rush with a shallow spy on Allen then there are opportunities for Allen to move the chains with his legs.

 

Some things I believe I noticed too in those late game situations:

  1. Allen's outlet/dump option, particularly away from his rollout direction is usually open, but he is locked deep.
  2. Although they try to hem Allen in the pocket, he has a lot of green if he beats one guy to the sideline, but he has almost gone too far at times the other direction looking to force a play downfield.

 

Not too surprised as I thought the pendulum would swing a bit towards either extreme (pocket vs running) before Allen settled into more of a balanced approach. The kid is an extremely hard worker and as such perhaps he feels he has to force the demonstration of his maturation in the role and the changes he is making.

He has proven he can throw from the pocket, but he needs to leverage his athletic scramble ability not just to extend plays, but to safely scamper up-field and to the side lines or slide when the defense is giving up too much green in front of him, and it may well be the better option than spinning away from one defender behind the LOS into the arms of pursuit, or having to throw while getting planted awkwardly into the turf. Not advocating playing scared, but taking advantage of what the defenses are giving and also giving Defensive Coordinators something else to think about.

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

 

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.

He's showing he can beat teams in the pocket now. Yesterday during pre-game one of the things that was suggested the Raiders do is contain Allen and make him beat them from the pocket, well he did just that. 

 

He's not a one dimensional QB, he can run, he can throw on the run and he can throw from the pocket. 

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8 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Been wondering that too. 


I think teams are still planning against his running ability and hes good enough now to make that work for him without running.

 

Has to be right?

 

 

Hrcan run whrn needed.

 

teams are using spies on him to control his running.

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2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I’ll take Self Preservation for $1,000 Alex.  

 

TBH, I don't think "self preservation" factors heavily into Josh Allen's game-time decision making

 

"Your job is to get the ball to the playmakers and put them in position to make plays, not to make 'em all yourself" yes.

 

"Self preservation" no.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TBH, I don't think "self preservation" factors heavily into Josh Allen's game-time decision making

 

"Your job is to get the ball to the playmakers and put them in position to make plays, not to make 'em all yourself" yes.

 

"Self preservation" no.

I completely agree. Instinctively, he will always do whatever it takes, regardless of the risk. I meant more that the coaches are trying to preserve him by running him less. 

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10 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I don't want him to be Lamar or Kyler, but not one run this week (QB sneak for TD notwithstanding), but wondering as to the reasoning.  

 

Seemed there were some opportunities and certainly understand being careful after the injury, however this too was evident in the LA game too.

Actually he ran the TD after he was injured so it had no effect. 

 

The reason is why run when your WRs are wide open.

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8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I completely agree. Instinctively, he will always do whatever it takes, regardless of the risk. I meant more that the coaches are trying to preserve him by running him less. 

 

TBH, I truly do believe that "Daboll is a lunatic" and tries in every way to tailor his game plan to the opponent's weakness

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11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

To enjoy a long career it's better to play from the pocket and not expose himself to open field shots,  the threat of him running and being able to is enough.  I don't want him returning to the days of 100 plus yards running and have all the bumps and injuries that go along with it.

You hit the nail on the head look at the year cam had MVP but those hits took a toll and Allen is a way better passer if it’s a tight game and we got to have a first down and he takes off then I’m fine with it. Especially if it’s a big game like playoffs or trying to get home field sometimes those yards are hard to come by 

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