I was WRONG about Josh Allen

[muppy]

From folks Ive read who were in the fieldhouse the night Allen was drafted overall the tenor of the crowd was some optimism but a LOT of pessimism also. Y'all know the knock he had out of college, never played against competition, strong arm no accuracy, can't teach it he'll bust yadda yadda yadda. Id like to think that JA was mentally strong enough to not let the haters get to him and proceeded to work his behind off to get better with any manner of extra coaching and help he deemed necessary....I'd say it has worked. We all see a much improved with not only experience, warrior  attitude as well as hard work and perserverance a guy who isn't even arguably our franchise QB..he IS the Bills franchise QB. The last thing I want to say about "bandwagoners" is its cool to have had doubts and he's won you over. Just dont jump off if he has a bad game or 2 that's just weak.

[Warcodered]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don't think he can do it in the spotlight. I don't think he can have that game in a shootout vs a good team. Yeah when the entire team is clicking vs the Cowboys and Vikings he's done well but what happens vs the better teams when we need him to score 27+ points? I don't think he can do it. We'll find out I'm sure.

 

In other words you're not wrong yet.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Well you'll either be very happy over the next month or much more angry.

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

.....that doesn't have anything to do with it.....   It's easy to admit this because Allen has completely exceeded what I thought he'd be....if you go back and look at what I thought would happen.....it's easy to admit because I was clearly wrong about it. 

 

I think you're missing my point. As human beings its much more easier to heap praise when your own situation is going good.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If they can keep him calm, I think he will be OK in those big games.

Being a year older has clearly helped with that aspect and I only expect it to get better moving forward.

I keep waiting for the collapse over the last 14 games or so and it hasn't come. Deep down I still feel the collapse is coming. 

 

 

[JohnNord]

I didn’t like the pick but only because my entire Twitter timeline was filled with tweets from

PFF and FO about how bad of a QB Josh was going to be in the NFL.  They same people that trashed Josh also sang the praises of Josh Rosen. I knew that Mayfied and Darnold probably would be off the board, and I didn’t think Lamar Jackson’s game would translate to the NFL (oops).

 

So like most Bills fans I wanted Josh Rosen and wasn’t really happy with the selection.   But I also had enough evidence that Brandon Beane wasn’t a dumb GM ans trusted his evaluation skills.

 

It looks like Allen will be the Bills franchise QB, but we don’t quite know which tier he’ll be on.  The next few weeks should say a lot

[NewEra]

I wanted the other wrong Josh simply because I thought he was the safest pick. If we were going to take a chance on an athlete that wasn’t as polished, I wanted Lamar.  I thought josh had the best arm I’d ever seen and was excited at the prospect of rooting for him, it was the feeling that if Beane picked the wrong guy, it would signal the end for him and McD....and McB was love at first sight for me.
 

When I saw Josh at the combine and his pro day, after watching several game tapes, I thought he was a big goofy kid. Immature, not in a bad way, but not in a way I thought he would be such a leader of men.  
 

boy was I wrong.....and soooo happy to admit it. 
 

Praise the LORD!!

[Kelly the Dog]

Another series of events that I believe happened to a lot of Bills fans and posters here. 
 

1. Didn’t like the selection at the time, perhaps violently opposed. 
2. Quickly tried to find out all they could about him as a player and guy. 
3. Sometime soon came to the place of he’s our guy now let’s give him a chance. 
4. Were quickly won over by the person and his story and his Buffalo guy persona. 
5. Quickly saw the tremendous skills and huge heart he has and were won over before the first game. 
 

By rookie season, a substantial portion were still wary and an equal portion had jumped on the Josh bandwagon. And the former has been losing membership on a weekly basis since. 

[nbbillsfan]

I was skeptical of Allen when he was picked. He seemed like an all tools, no toolbox pick. I tend to like QB’s without elite physical tools because they may have very higher football IQ, accuracy, work ethics ect to compensate for physical deficiencies. I believe these things are more likely to lead to nfl success. 

 

However, what gave me optimism that he could prove me wrong was his love of football and, most importantly, his seeming insatiable desire to work on deficiencies and improve.

 

I feel so many Uber pHysically gifted QB’s like Allen fail because they have always gotten by on talent alone. They have dominated with their physical traits and when they get to the NFL and hit resistance, they don’t have the will or desire to work hard and get to the next level. Allen is not this at all. Perhaps some of this ties back to not being a highly recruited high school prospect. Regardless, I am so very excited to have Josh on the team. He is a rare bread of physical talent, work ethic and love for the game.

[John from Riverside]

Qbs just mature at different rates.   Allen extremely raw coming into the league but franchise QB potential

 

Having good targets helps

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

34 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

All your base are belong to us.

[TigerJ]

My first opinion of Josh Allen was that I thought he was intriguing with his incredible measurables.  I didn't root for the Bills to pick him, but I didn't bemoan the pick when it happened.  From that point on I hoped he would develop, and to my delight he has.  I don't feel the necessity to eat crow, unlike my son who was pulling for Josh Rosen and was crushed when the Bills picked Allen.  I haven't had the chance to talk with him after Allen tore things up against both the Jets and Dolphins.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Let's hope Allen follows Mahomes and is the MVP this year and a Superbowl champ next year.

Why wait, MVP both league and Superbowl THIS year and next...

Edited September 24, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[Royale with Cheese]

I was wrong about wings.  I bought into the hype that bleu cheese was better.  Guess what?  I was wrong....ranch is by far better.

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I was wrong about wings.  I bought into the hype that bleu cheese was better.  Guess what?  I was wrong....ranch is by far better.

You don’t even believe what you’re posting!!! 

[BidsJr]

14 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

My first opinion of Josh Allen was that I thought he was intriguing with his incredible measurables.  I didn't root for the Bills to pick him, but I didn't bemoan the pick when it happened.  From that point on I hoped he would develop, and to my delight he has.  I don't feel the necessity to eat crow, unlike my son who was pulling for Josh Rosen and was crushed when the Bills picked Allen.  I haven't had the chance to talk with him after Allen tore things up against both the Jets and Dolphins.

Take some time and talk to your boy.

[TwistofFate]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

.....that doesn't have anything to do with it.....   It's easy to admit this because Allen has completely exceeded what I thought he'd be....if you go back and look at what I thought would happen.....it's easy to admit because I was clearly wrong about it. 

It's two games in...why don't you wait until week 8 is over and see where he is? 

 

These two weeks have been incredible, but I'm not ready to crown him yet. 

[Ralonzo]

40 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Another series of events that I believe happened to a lot of Bills fans and posters here. 
 

1. Didn’t like the selection at the time, perhaps violently opposed. 
2. Quickly tried to find out all they could about him as a player and guy. 
3. Sometime soon came to the place of he’s our guy now let’s give him a chance. 
4. Were quickly won over by the person and his story and his Buffalo guy persona. 
5. Quickly saw the tremendous skills and huge heart he has and were won over before the first game. 

 

I mostly resemble that remark. After the draft I understood that this was a guy with more physical tools than 99% of QBs that have played in the league. The ultimate highest-ceiling but lowest-floor type pick. I saw the wow plays in the first season where he'd flash but it was usually with the legs. I think the epiphany was the first preseason game in 2019 (Colts?) where he just drove the field with ease for first a FG and then a TD where I'm thinking, hey, this guy looks like an NFL QB running an NFL offense and making NFL throws, i.e., the kind that have spent this century beating up on the Bills, not playing for them.

 

The thing is, this is a guy who, as was alluded to earlier in the thread, got a late start at the position and is just making the jump now that Burrow did last year (and is only 8 months older, after all). There's still a whole lot of room between where Allen is right now, and his ceiling as a player. We shall see. If he stops developing where he's at, the team can be a perennial contender. If makes it even halfway from this point to his full potential I don't see how the team fails to win a Championship with him. If he maxes out...?

Edited September 24, 2020 by Ralonzo

[Stank_Nasty]

13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I was wrong about wings.  I bought into the hype that bleu cheese was better.  Guess what?  I was wrong....ranch is by far better.

BIG facts. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Allen was my guy (Rosen second choice) and he played great last week. But let’s not forget without a quick whistle he would have had another fumble(Bills recovery) and he had two dropped interceptions, one of which would have been a pick 6.  He still is a work in progress but he is making great progress.

[Stank_Nasty]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I keep waiting for the collapse over the last 14 games or so and it hasn't come. Deep down I still feel the collapse is coming. 

 

 

So ya. This is really lame. 
 

 

as for the OP... @Zerovoltz has been really wrong about the bills in general over the last 2 seasons, so what’s new? 
 

I think the bigger occasion here would be for him to announce anything about this team that’s he’s been accurate on. 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Ethan in Cleveland]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I was wrong about wings.  I bought into the hype that bleu cheese was better.  Guess what?  I was wrong....ranch is by far better.

Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce wings are far better than Buffalo chicken wings. It’s not even a contest.

[Ralonzo]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce wings are far better than Buffalo chicken wings. It’s not even a contest.

 

Or you could just dip your wings at the foot of Sheridan Drive 🤢

[Charles Romes]

The scary part is that he may be less than mid-way In his development. 

[mykidsdad]

I was all about Josh Rosen. Im glad I didnt make the draft pick.

[GoBills808]

Louder

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Present company excepted of course, but pretty soon the number of folks who say they’ve been on team JA from day 1 will be exceeded only by the number of folks who attended the Comeback game in person at Rich Stadium! 
 

OP, thanks for the thread as well as the mostly respectful dialogue along the way since you’ve been posting here—I know a certain Jets fan who could take some pointers from you! We look forward to many years of a great Mahomes/Allen AFC rivalry.

 

I was over the moon when the Bills selected Allen for a number of reasons, including that he just seemed to exude that “it” factor for a Buffalo QB in the mold of Kelly, driven by off the charts natural abilities and a welcoming of the unique temperament it takes to command the huddle in our favorite town—and this became more than obvious during his first official road start in Minnesota exactly 2 years ago (serendipitously for me, the same day my youngest was born). From the leap on, you knew this kid had the heart of Rudy but with the ability to back it up with something really special. 

[HardyBoy]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Taking away what’s been working, you mean like the short, medium, long, left, right, middle, pocket, and rollout game?

I was wrong about Josh, too, although it was more because I didn’t see him that much. I was a Rosen guy, thought Baker was boom or bust, thought Darnold was good but turnover machine, and like Lamar a lot but wary of being wrong. 

 

According to JT there were reads he should have made, but didn't. They also ran the exact same concept over and over and the dolphins couldn't stop it, but different teams will be able to I would think. I still have 10 minutes left in that vid, but largely he's very positive, just sees misreads still.

 

Not dumping cold water, just this might be a factor of really good wide receivers being able to exploit man coverage because of Diggs opening up the offense for everyone. The exciting thing for me is JA struggled against man coverage (less concerned with last year's deep ball accuracy because of so many super windy games the second half when things started to click.

 

I've been as big a JA fan/supporter of him having a chance to be a super star from the start, I really think he's going to get there, just think we need to give him a chance to work through some inevitable adversity that is almost assuredly going to come this year and giving him that room to get through it.

 

 

[stevewin]

I supported him from the day he was drafted and didn't say he sucked, was terrible, would never be good, was the worst - esp before he ever took an NFL snap

[Rubes]

I appreciate the post...I remember when Allen was the pick I wasn’t sure what to think...I wasn’t thrilled that he was more of a high-ceiling project QB...I was hoping for someone who wouldn’t take several years to develop, but knew he had a chance. So I was more wait and see...one thing I love about Josh is that he’s just so damn fun to watch, even when he’s frustrating...you never know what he’s going to end up doing on any particular play, it could be head scratching or it could be spectacular, but always exciting...

 

[Heavy Kevi]

3 hours ago, AirAllenPower said:

I was a baker/ Rosen guy

 

My whole issue with Allen was in the Iowa game I got really put off by him. I thought he was scatter shot, erratic and just not a natural smooth qb... 

 

His progress from the beginning of his rookie year, to the end. The jump he took in year 2, and now a massive leap in year 3 is really amazing... 

 

His leap this year reminds me of the leap jo e burrow took in his jr to Sr year at LSU 

 

I was just dying for Darnold.

 

To the point where any of the other QBs looked like poo. I was really hoping Allen would go 1st and throw the whole thing out of whack and we'd snag Darnold. I kept feeling like somebody would take Rapistburger and we'd be frickin stuck with JP again.

 

Then the days before the draft happened. Someone dug up some rap lyrics or something on Allen's social media to try and assassinate his character. Then all of the sudden I desperately NEEDED Allen. I realized if he was the one that some team was trying to get to fall, he's THE guy. I remembered the insane throw at the combine (right out of the camera picture and back down) and I was like "this is the guy for buffalo". 

 

Of course I had no idea he would be this budding superstar. Turns out I was right on accident.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Because he had never proven anything at any level, I always needed Allen to show me he could do it before I became a believer...

 

The 300/400 yard games back to back were huge!

 

Next up is beating NE for the division and winning a playoff game and I will be sold!

 

But I’m definitely feeling pretty good about our QB right now!

 

You're so full of BS.  He took a 2-win Wyoming team to two straight bowl games, barely lost the first to BYU and killed Central Michigan in the 2nd.  He proved himself enough to be the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Yeah, yeah, it's Wyoming, it's the MWC, take that crap somewhere else.  The only thing he didn't prove is you!  It's people like you that drive him!

Edited September 24, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[downunderbill]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I keep waiting for the collapse over the last 14 games or so and it hasn't come. Deep down I still feel the collapse is coming. 

 

 

Waiting for it or hoping for it?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, downunderbill said:

Waiting for it or hoping for it?

Why would I hope for it? Allen's success is Bills success. His failure is Bills failure.

 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce wings are far better than Buffalo chicken wings. It’s not even a contest.

How did I know you would say something like that?  
 

not even a contest. 
 
😆😭🤣

[Zerovoltz]

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

So ya. This is really lame. 
 

 

as for the OP... @Zerovoltz has been really wrong about the bills in general over the last 2 seasons, so what’s new? 
 

I think the bigger occasion here would be for him to announce anything about this team that’s he’s been accurate on. 

 

I haven't had much else to comment on, besides Allen since I've been here...other than predicting preseason records for the entire NFL (a fools errand).....but I did want to post about this because I am not a chicken***t that talks and talks and then just runs away when it doesn't work out. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Or you could just dip your wings at the foot of Sheridan Drive 🤢

 

My hot vietnamese wife makes killer fish sauce wings!

[Chandler#81]

6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I joined this board, after the trade that allowed KC to select Patrick Mahomes and have stuck around the last few years to see how things played out.  I hung out here, speculating about all the 2018 QB's, the draft manuvering, and watched you guys all debate and discuss who you wanted the Bills to take. .....when the Bills took Allen.....I came here and put in my 2 cents.  I did NOT think Allen would make it as an NFL QB.  I was on the side of the debate that said, his completion pct is who he is, and who he's going to be.  I didn't think he could improve enough to be much more than an enticiing novelty.  I posted that opinion here numerous times.

 

I am here today to tell you.....to admit....the I was WRONG.  While I've always enjoyed watching Allen play, I'd always thought he'd ultimately be a flash in the pan in the big picture as time wore on.  He's not.  He's legit.  He's taken a big leap each season he's been in the NFL.  It's a credit to him, and especially to your coaching staff for identifying the talent, and the potential, and then actually getting Allen to progress.  I want to thank you all for allowing me to be a part of your community and give my opinion.  I have enjoyed it, and will continue to pop in from time to time.  I'm sure I'll be around when KC plays the Bills...that should be fun.  Anyhow....one more time....

 

I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOSH ALLEN.  I'll be having that crow now. 

*See below

5 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Allen grew on me. My crow needed ketchup.

*See below

5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Most of the board members here know that my “Extremely Large Board” had the 2018 QB’s ranked: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Mason Rudolph and Josh Rosen. These guys know what I projected  @Mike in Horseheads , @Beerball and @Gugny

I, for one, appreciate your predraft insights. I usually have a late Winter cold and always need something to sneeze into🤧

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I keep waiting for the collapse over the last 14 games or so and it hasn't come. Deep down I still feel the collapse is coming. 

 

 

well, yeah, but you’re located in elementary school. so...

 

*Below

Dinner is served.

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

You're so full of BS.  He took a 2-win Wyoming team to two straight bowl games, barely lost the first to BYU and killed Central Michigan in the 2nd.  He proved himself enough to be the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Yeah, yeah, it's Wyoming, it's the MWC, take that crap somewhere else.  The only thing he didn't prove is you!  It's people like you that drive him!

Lots of people felt that way about him. Not just the crisp one.  LOTS of people.  You still see some of those same people talking smack about him, while some have converted to Stallionism

[Putin]

6 hours ago, AirAllenPower said:

I wanted nothing to do with navy option Lamar.  Still don't.  I think hes extremely overrated 

The one thing I haven’t seen from Lamar yet is that he can bring a team from behind , last year the Tennessee game when he had to stay in the pocket and throw he couldn’t do it , he’s very hard to defend when you don’t know what’s coming (RPO)  , you make him one dimensional and so far he’s been less then average  ...

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Putin

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

You're so full of BS.  He took a 2-win Wyoming team to two straight bowl games, barely lost the first to BYU and killed Central Michigan in the 2nd.  He proved himself enough to be the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Yeah, yeah, it's Wyoming, it's the MWC, take that crap somewhere else.  The only thing he didn't prove is you!  It's people like you that drive him!

Then maybe you should be thanking “people like me”.  Lol

 

But in all seriousness, your point about Allen taking a 2 win team to bowl games falls on deaf ears when you realize it didn’t happen because of superior QB play, but rather because he just happened to be the best “athlete” on the field in a very minimally talented conference- kinda like me in Little League...lol

 

And that’s ok...Anyone you talk to (except for yourself) of course, will tell you that Josh is an outlier, if he ends up working out long term...His pre NFL numbers did not project success as a pro- and that’s just the truth of the matter...it does not make people bad people or “full of BS”, as you like to put it, just because you can’t, emotionally, handle differing opinions based on statistical trends...but, best of luck to you...👍

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by JaCrispy