eball Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I’m curious...lots of talk about this and that. What do you predict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I voted other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 He has a Matthew Stafford type career. Wows you but not a difference maker. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I like winner who signs 2nd deal with team. 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: He has a Matthew Stafford type career. Wows you but not a difference maker. He's already been a difference maker though. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, freddyjj said: He has a Matthew Stafford type career. Wows you but not a difference maker. Put Matt Stafford on this roster and I think he goes really far. Not his fault he has to play for the lions. 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? I'd take pre injury 2018 Cam Newton any day of the week 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? Statically. He's 10x the gamer and leader Newton is. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Top ten qb and will be quarterbacking here for a long time. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I think Josh Josh will be a top 10 QB in the league. If not this year than next I don't think he will be a meddling starter I'm putting 100 on him to win mvp this Season 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Top 10, mark it! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I'd like to know what top 10 means here? Tops in wins? TDs? Yards? Beauty contest? 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I think Josh Josh will be a top 10 QB in the league. If not this year than next I don't think he will be a meddling starter I'm putting 100 on him to win mvp this Season I want him to meddle. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 He will be an elite qb. That is all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? I think this is very fair but I still think Allen has one of , if not the highest ceiling for young QBs. Cam was pretty dominant for a time though. Also think Josh is a better leader of men , I think Can and his extra flamboyant style and personality rubs some guys the wrong way and Josh is already a phenomenal leader imo. His mentality is everything you'd want from a Franchise QB. Edited May 15, 2020 by JerseyBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) Can I get back to you in a year or two? Hope he keeps making strides forward, and I think he will. How far? That’s impossible to say at this point. I think he’ll be top 10 in intangibles, but probably not quite that high in stats. . Edited May 15, 2020 by Augie 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) I'm not allowed as per @Foxx, but I've been on record previously and I'm sure he'll be able to relay my own predictions Edited May 15, 2020 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm not allowed as per @Foxx, but I've been on record previously and I'm sure he'll be able to relay my own predictions We have a good thing going with Allen. Please don’t ruin it with your predictions ? 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, freddyjj said: He has a Matthew Stafford type career. Wows you but not a difference maker. Sorry but this is a terrible comparison. As a dawgs fan I have followed stafford since the day he signed. Stafford is not the alpha male on any team. He doesn't have the clutch gene in spite of his come from behind wins (he was the reason they were behind quite often.) He will not win a superbowl and I believe Josh will. Josh has more heart in his baby finger that stafford does...now his wife on other hand is a champ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I think he can hit top half and gets a second contract with the Bills. I think this kid was really raw and will continue to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I'm a big Allen fan and think he will continue to develop and become one of the best in the league. I still have some doubts. Can anyone point to examples of NFL QBs who flashed great potential in their first couple of years, but had some question marks, and eventually became great? I would exclude a guy like Aaron Rodgers, who was not starting and playing in his first few years. Cam Newton was fantastic as a rookie, so he doesn't follow this pattern. I think Big Ben had a great rookie year too, so he wouldn't fit the bill. Mahomes only started 1 game as a rookie then was lights out in year 2, so again, he wouldn't fit the bill either. Brady was on the bench, but became an instant winner once he took over the starting job, so again, doesn't fit the mold. One that kind of fits the bill is Alex Smith, who struggled his first few years, but eventually became very good (but not great). I'd appreciate any input from the board. It would make me feel better about Allen's prospects if we can find suitable comparisons for high potential guys took some time to reach the highest levels, but got there.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Top 10 isn't a good classification of QB's. Seems like there is an elite level (top 5 or so) and then a middling area before the dregs. The difference between 10 and 15 isn't that great. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Not hard to predict which posters will vote against Allen... 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Can anyone point to examples of NFL QBs who flashed great potential in their first couple of years, but had some question marks, and eventually became great? Drew Brees. He showed some potential with the chargers for the first few years but didn't really break out until he went to the Saints. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? I’m going for my AK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, eball said: I’m curious...lots of talk about this and that. What do you predict? Don't you have a gap where we can't weigh in between top half and top 10? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I voted top ten, but he may be a little lower than top 10 most likely; probably in top 15. Josh has the competitive drive and heart to be a leader, as well as one of the better league QBs in the next few years. I think we throw the word 'elite' around here too much and that builds expectations more than they should be. I would ultimately like to see Josh be the modern John Elway. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Top 5 QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I’ll go on record that he will be a top 5 NFL QB for at least 5 years. 12 minutes ago, Happy said: I voted top ten, but he may be a little lower than top 10 most likely; probably in top 15. Josh has the competitive drive and heart to be a leader, as well as one of the better league QBs in the next few years. I think we throw the word 'elite' around here too much and that builds expectations more than they should be. I would ultimately like to see Josh be the modern John Elway. that’s conservative, he will be better than that imo. If he figured out the deep ball this offseason, which I think he has, he is going to be a top 5 QB next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Future GOAT and he will be paired with fellow future GOAT RB McCaffrey here soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I think he cracks the top 15 this year, followed by top 10 in 2021. After that I could see him crack the top 5 for a stretch. There's just something about him, he has "it", that competitive edge, the clutch gene. In those two regards he reminds me so much of Kelly. Let's face it, he was behind the learning curve coming out of college and has been playing catch up ever since. After game 4 he had 17 TDs & only 3 INTs. Inside the redzone 12 TDs & 0 INTs Inside the 10 yard line 13/21 with 8 TDs & 0 INTs Played in his first prime time games, all on the road, won the first 2 and was knocking on the door to tie the game at the end of the only game he lost of the 3. His QB Rating last year, in the 4th quarter with the score +/- 7 points was over 110.0 with 5 TDs & 0 INTs. He tied for the league lead in 4th quarter comebacks. But it's not just on him, he'll need some help. He needs more help from the running game and with Gore being replaced with Moss I think he'll get it. Only 4 rushing TDs by the RBs last year, Josh had 9. The O-Line needs to play better. Way too many times we found ourselves in 1st or 2nd & 20, drive killers. Too many total whiffs throughout the year, usually in critical times. WRs & Knox need to cut down on drops. Basically about 10 more passing yards a quarter and another TD every 1.5 games and he'll crack the top 10(Using 2019 numbers). Fix the long ball and show improvement against the all out blitzes and he'll be well on his way. GO BILLS!!! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: We have a good thing going with Allen. Please don’t ruin it with your predictions ? Don't worry. Not allowed. Are we cursed if Adam Schein predicts it, though? Edited May 15, 2020 by transplantbillsfan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight? I’ll take that as long as he gets the W in the Super Bowl(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Statically. He's 10x the gamer and leader Newton is. I’m curious as to how “gamer” and “leader” are quantified and made into a statistic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, msw2112 said: Can anyone point to examples of NFL QBs who flashed great potential in their first couple of years, but had some question marks, and eventually became great? Pretty much every QB. Go look at the rookie stats for a lot of the great QB's and they aren't that good. Pretty much you are banking on potential. The great ones just keep getting better and better every year. The average ones just plateau after a couple years. But a lot of these QB's start out with equally below average rookie seasons and then branch off from there. Tom Brady's stats from his first 2-3 years are not much different from Allen last year, besides throwing for more yards. Similar TD's, more INT's, and similar rating. Roethlisburger threw for less than 20 TD's his first three years. Brees was pretty putrid his first two years. Obviously there are some guys who have great rookie years, but even some of those regress and don't become great. I will say that by year 3 and 4 we should be seeing more. I expect Allen to show more and keep getting better. Edited May 15, 2020 by MJS 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Allen is a gamer with a will to win that hasn’t been this visceral around here since the glory days imho. The team has quickly gelled around his young leadership because it’s obvious he puts his money where his mouth is and has their back—willing to do whatever it takes to daily get better is a hallmark of future champions is it not? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Allen is a gamer with a will to win that hasn’t been this visceral around here since the glory days imho. The team has quickly gelled around his young leadership because it’s obvious he puts his money where his mouth is and has their back—willing to do whatever it takes to daily get better is a hallmark of future champions is it not? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’m curious as to how “gamer” and “leader” are quantified and made into a statistic. You know it when you see it, right? For example, Josh Rosen could go out there and light it up out of nowhere for a game or 2, and I’m confident I still could say he’s not a true leader at the NFL level (thus far). Intangibles! 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Was that taken after his walkoff playoff win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Also think Josh is a better leader of men , I think Can and his extra flamboyant style and personality rubs some guys the wrong way... Cam's teammates seem to love him for the most part. I think some fans are the one's who get rubbed the wrong way more so than players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I think he cracks the top 15 this year, followed by top 10 in 2021. After that I could see him crack the top 5 for a stretch. There's just something about him, he has "it", that competitive edge, the clutch gene. In those two regards he reminds me so much of Kelly. Let's face it, he was behind the learning curve coming out of college and has been playing catch up ever since. After game 4 he had 17 TDs & only 3 INTs. Inside the redzone 12 TDs & 0 INTs Inside the 10 yard line 13/21 with 8 TDs & 0 INTs Played in his first prime time games, all on the road, won the first 2 and was knocking on the door to tie the game at the end of the only game he lost of the 3. His QB Rating last year, in the 4th quarter with the score +/- 7 points was over 110.0 with 5 TDs & 0 INTs. He tied for the league lead in 4th quarter comebacks. But it's not just on him, he'll need some help. He needs more help from the running game and with Gore being replaced with Moss I think he'll get it. Only 4 rushing TDs by the RBs last year, Josh had 9. The O-Line needs to play better. Way too many times we found ourselves in 1st or 2nd & 20, drive killers. Too many total whiffs throughout the year, usually in critical times. WRs & Knox need to cut down on drops. Basically about 10 more passing yards a quarter and another TD every 1.5 games and he'll crack the top 10(Using 2019 numbers). Fix the long ball and show improvement against the all out blitzes and he'll be well on his way. GO BILLS!!! A "parody of an NFL QB prospect" simply would not be capable of performing that well in those situations. So most here would agree that he cleared that Barr too. Two areas that are 100% on him to improve upon. Ball security while on the move and under tackle and consistently giving his WRs a chance to make a play on the deep throws. We should be able to see if he improves in those areas rather easily. I think 400+ points would be a nice benchmark. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said: Top 10 isn't a good classification of QB's. Seems like there is an elite level (top 5 or so) and then a middling area before the dregs. The difference between 10 and 15 isn't that great. You're right, but it's equally true that if you don't have a QB within the top 10 or so in the league, your chances of winning a championship are miniscule. The majority go to teams with QBs in the top five but there are plenty more that go to guys who aren't. Wentz wasn't top five. Wilson is now but he wasn't when the Seahawks won. Eli was definitely playing at a top ten level during both championships. In the first one, he wasn't anywhere close to that for most of the season and he saw the light come on in the last two or three weeks. Top ten but not top five. Roethlisberger's never been a top five guy, always just barely outside that. Simms. There are a few teams who've won championships without top ten QBs. But to do that you generally need a defense that is one of the best not just of that season but of all time. Only then can you generally win one with a QB like Dilfer or McMahon. Around 10% of all SBs are won this way, and out of all the thousands of teams that don't have a top ten QB, the odds on being one of those winners are just tiny. The difference between 10 and 15 isn't that great, you're correct. But that difference seems to make all the difference. As for the original question, I'm not really interested in that kind of guesswork. I'd rather hope that my hopes are more than hopefulness without guessing either way. But that's me. Edited May 15, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Tebow was never going to be good but intangibles mattered. Without them hes the original Nate Peterman, with them he was a bizarre national phenomenon who managed to pull off a lot of crazy ***** despite his complete lack of talent. Edited May 15, 2020 by Bss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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