Old Coot Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Old Coot said: During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. Well he was often double covered last year as our #1 WR and had the best year of his career. 72 catches, 1060 yards and 6 TD. I don't think he will have any issues. If he can't beat single coverage on a given play, there is also Cole Beasley. I have a feeling on a given play 1/3 of those guys will be open. 21 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 John Brown did pretty well as the number one guy last year. He got open with speed, quickness, and precise route running. Should have an even easier time this year. Diggs is great because he's like John Brown on steroids. Not just a good route runner, he is the best. He's quick. Maybe not as fast as Brown (not sure). But the new element that he brings is contested catch ability, something we have sorely lacked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 IN! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 He did a great job of doing that last year against most teams #1s, and I think he wants to show he’s a 1b and not a 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Smoke Brown is f*****g crazy!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Is this a real question? He had a career year against double coverage, why would he be worse against single? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: I have a feeling on a given play 1/3 of those guys will be open. Let's see, to have an explosive offense I feel you need: Enough good WRs so that the primary receiver gets open regularly on any given play and the others are generally open as well. A line that doesn't blow up more than a few plays per game and that can block for short yardage runs. A quarterback that is a play maker and durable. At least two playmakers besides the quarterback that are a threat to score or have multiple long gains each drive. Better to have three. Ability to adapt and counterpunch by executing screens and draws and such to combat pressure packages. It would be a pleasant surprise if we take a large leap in the rankings, but it can happen. We have most of the ingredients. And Yes, Brown can win enough against #2 CBs to be effective. Edited April 30, 2020 by Rock'em Sock'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Is this a real question? He had a career year against double coverage, why would he be worse against single? Hey, it's the off-season (and a weird one at that), so how to you have a problem discussing our new WR situation? Ignore the friggin' post if you don't like the topic. Crikeys! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I think this is where the acquisition of Diggs will really help. I re-watched most of last season (because what else am I going to do for a sports fix?), and I noticed that when Josh was in trouble, facing pressure, rolling out, etc. he usually looked for Brown. In games where teams took him away it looked like Josh panicked a bit and it could get ugly (like the grounding calls or interceptions). With Diggs, he might have two options, but even if it just means that Josh's security blanket is available more often, I think Josh will play a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Kind off an odd question/premise, Brown has already shown this to be well within his capabilities, to the tune of seventy two receptions, over one thousand yards, and six touchdowns. It is fully known he can do this. Now being part of a trio of quality starting receivers, it will be all the more likely he will continue to do so, especially with a TE and RB needing to be accounted for, as well, Allen’s ability to get chunks of yardage running the ball. Frankly it is a given. Go Bills!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigvinny Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Wow, you guys talk like he was the next coming of Andre Reed, Eric Moulds and James Lofton all in one. He had a good year, and is a solid receiver. But he was far from spectacular. The passing game overall was still below average for today's NFL. I like John Brown, don't get me wrong. But he disappeared at times in the second half of the season. Hopefully with Diggs drawing a lot of attention JB will have another solid year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Coot, the simple answer is yes.opposing teams will have a hard time defending Diggs, Brown, and Beasley. Possibly Davis if he turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Brown was open all the time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Smoke Brown is f*****g crazy!! Ahhhhh yes, the good ole Bob Woods thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Poleshifter said: Hey, it's the off-season (and a weird one at that), so how to you have a problem discussing our new WR situation? Ignore the friggin' post if you don't like the topic. Crikeys! I liked your post simply because of your profile pic. Neutral on the post content though, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Old Coot said: During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. getting open, take your pick... Brown off the line, no, given time, yeah. cole off the line, yeah, given time, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Smoke will have no problem beating man coverage. My biggest concern will be JA connecting with Diggs on the deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 59 minutes ago, Poleshifter said: Hey, it's the off-season (and a weird one at that), so how to you have a problem discussing our new WR situation? Ignore the friggin' post if you don't like the topic. Crikeys! I am discussing it. The discussion is that the question is dumb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Smoke will be just fine. What I’m equally excited about is Singletary and Moss, since it will be tough to load the box with the pass catching threats we now have. Let’s play some football!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I'm still trying to figure out why the OP ever became concerned that the #1 WR from the Bills last year, who had a career year going against teams' #1 CB and getting doubled, will have a problem against teams' #2 CB? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Old Coot said: During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. Best year of his career as a #1 last year (where he constantlybeat everyone), and was arguably our team MVP... andddd his job just got easier. Absolutely yes he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 We have 3 guys that can get wide open all on their own and a rocket armed QB who can get the ball there before the coverage arrives. It’s going to be lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Old Coot said: During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. Brown was un-Coverable at times with Nothing On the other side of Him. so please Leave Brown 1V1 with the Second Beat CB on a team and watch what happens. the Question is and Will remain until he Does. Can Josh Allen take that Next Step to become a top end QB? Edited May 1, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: I'm still trying to figure out why the OP ever became concerned that the #1 WR from the Bills last year, who had a career year going against teams' #1 CB and getting doubled, will have a problem against teams' #2 CB? I didn't read it and think that the OP thinks Brown can't. I think he just meant it as conversation. But yeah, I think the answer is pretty obvious. The real question is how many targets will Brown get now? His production likely will drop if Diggs is getting the targets that he got last year. Or, we might have two 1,000 yard receivers, which would be crazy. Have we ever had that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, MJS said: I didn't read it and think that the OP thinks Brown can't. I think he just meant it as conversation. But yeah, I think the answer is pretty obvious. The real question is how many targets will Brown get now? His production likely will drop if Diggs is getting the targets that he got last year. Or, we might have two 1,000 yard receivers, which would be crazy. Have we ever had that? There's not much conversation there. Obviously if he can beat most teams' #1 CB, like he did last year on his way to a career year, he can beat their 2nd best CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 This made me think. Maybe we are playing Micah Hyde out of position. I would slide him to edge rusher. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Old Coot said: During the sports lull lets do some speculating. Presumably Diggs will be WR 1 and will often draw double coverage. Can our WR 2 (presumably Brown but feel free to discuss whomever you think will be WR 2) consistently beat one on one coverage? If not, can play design accomplish this, for example by stick or other route combinations. Uh yeah...he was beating it last year being covered by the other teams #1 CB why wouldn't he be able to against the other teams #2 CB? This question doesn't even make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 If you have a solid #1 and #2 hours then Yes it could happen Diggs, Brown, Beasley is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Brown performed like a low end WR1 last season. If he stays healthy I think he can easily be a high end WR2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Doc said: I'm still trying to figure out why the OP ever became concerned that the #1 WR from the Bills last year, who had a career year going against teams' #1 CB and getting doubled, will have a problem against teams' #2 CB? Pretty much the exact same point I made...when this is all over and the bars are reopened, I owe you a beer sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 The real question is still, how much will Josh Allen improve? In particular, can he rediscover his range of deep passes? Buffalo has ample deep speed now, and receivers who can get open all over the field. I think Josh became afraid of being intercepted on deep balls some last year, and also got sloppy on his footwork. I know he's been working with his QB whisperer, Jordan Palmer and supposedly will have that licked. Beane provided Allen with all the weapons he should need, and if Allen can take a big step forward, the Bills offense should be scary good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, MJS said: I didn't read it and think that the OP thinks Brown can't. I think he just meant it as conversation. But yeah, I think the answer is pretty obvious. The real question is how many targets will Brown get now? His production likely will drop if Diggs is getting the targets that he got last year. Or, we might have two 1,000 yard receivers, which would be crazy. Have we ever had that? Reed and lofton 91 moulds and price 02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 What a great thread! Tell me more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yes. I believe Duke Williams will be able to do so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Yes. I believe Duke Williams will be able to do so. Wildcard move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 We have a great trio of WR’s, and Davis may turn out to be something special. I keep thinking of the Brandon Marshall interview where he said Davis who is 2nd all time in yards from UCF, when Marshall was 3rd overall. He was full of praise stating he was great at disguising his routes and thus can make an impact. Now granted he would be a 4th WR so not like he’ll be there on the field a lot, but UCF has developed into a very strong program here in FL. Most people know FL is one of the top 3 states in the country for youth football, hence why so many are put in Division 1 teams across the country. FSU, FL, and Miami doesn’t get them all, and over the last decade USF, and UCF have grown in their programs and entice some nice talent to stay in FL. This is going to be a great crew of WR’s. The real question is will Allen take the third year step and effectively manage to hit these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I’d like to clarify something here: Smoke very rarely faced double coverage by my study last year. The 11 personnel group that Buffalo adopted as their base midseason really limited the ability to both double a WR and spy the QB...which would you have chosen? Easy answer IMO. Smoke quite often, however, faced other teams’ best cover man, and that will likely change. So perhaps the more pertinent question is “will Smoke be able to feast on CB2s, and will Beasley put slot corners through the meat grinder?”...to which I say: yup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I’d like to clarify something here: Smoke very rarely faced double coverage by my study last year. The 11 personnel group that Buffalo adopted as their base midseason really limited the ability to both double a WR and spy the QB...which would you have chosen? Easy answer IMO. Smoke quite often, however, faced other teams’ best cover man, and that will likely change. So perhaps the more pertinent question is “will Smoke be able to feast on CB2s, and will Beasley put slot corners through the meat grinder?”...to which I say: yup. And in addition double Diggs or spy Allen is a tougher choice. I suspect teams spy less than they did last year when the Bills are in 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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