Dkollidas Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Especially after this season, the way both have played, I assume they’ll try to re-sign Shaq, as long as he wants to be here, and cut ties with Murphy. Shaq will basically take Murphy’s salary position on the team. Draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round, and sign a lower priced UFA (Vic Beasley?). Hughes/Draft-Pick Lawson/UFA seems like a much better way to have the defensive ends going forward. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I’d like to have Johnson back up Shaq and maybe bring in somebody via draft to groom behind Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Especially after this season, the way both have played, I assume they’ll try to re-sign Shaq, as long as he wants to be here, and cut ties with Murphy. Shaq will basically take Murphy’s salary position on the team. Draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round, and sign a lower priced UFA (Vic Beasley?). Hughes/Draft-Pick Lawson/UFA seems like a much better way to have the defensive ends going forward. Murphy is one of worst signing in Beane era next to Star who combined rake in about 20million, gas them both and use money on Shaq and another free agent. Those two get destroyed on running plays Edited November 26, 2019 by Niagara Dude 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Shaq all day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Shaq all day. I don't even have it as close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Get Murphy out of there is the cry from my Bills club room. You want to gain 10 yards. Run to Murphy's side. This man could not set an edge if his life depended on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Who is this Murphy guy??? Oh the worst signing by Beane. Give me Shaq all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Shaq all day. I don't even have it as close. But he was rude after the Broncos game 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Murph is toast. I will listen to any substitutions including re-signing Shaq. 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: But he was rude after the Broncos game ....and Titans game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Anybody know Murphy's contact without me having to look it up? Does it go past this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Shaq all day. I don't even have it as close. ..absolutely......and declining the 5th was the right choice.....but McBeane can still negotiate a FA deal with him, including a reasonably significant bump if he's interested... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 The Dolphins game so far this year is the o my game Shaq has more snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 How much do they save cutting Murphy? Lawson is having a good year. Is this good year due to steady progression or is it motivated by a contract? Either way I think Lawson is a very good rotational player. What’s that cost? $7m or $12m? I do like drafting a DE early. I think DE/CB will be the Bills first two picks depending on value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Especially after this season, the way both have played, I assume they’ll try to re-sign Shaq, as long as he wants to be here, and cut ties with Murphy. Shaq will basically take Murphy’s salary position on the team. Draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round, and sign a lower priced UFA (Vic Beasley?). Hughes/Draft-Pick Lawson/UFA seems like a much better way to have the defensive ends going forward. Shaq has been playing like a man with a contract negotiation coming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I think Shaq is a RDE. I’ve only seen him make 1 play on the left side this season. Everything else comes from the right or DT. I like him, but I don’t think he’s a fit for us unless we plan on keeping him as a RDE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, twist_to_open said: Anybody know Murphy's contact without me having to look it up? Does it go past this year? Over the cap has the savings at 7.2 million with 1.75 mill in dead money if we cut him in 2020, not sure about the post June 1st cut that option never seems to work on that site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Neither are that good. People seriously are going overboard after Shaq got 2 sacks on Sunday. 2 sacks where the offensive line didn't even put a single blocker on him and let him come in untouched. Murphy or anyone else would've gotten those sacks too. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 If it’s one or the other, Shaq all day long. He actually makes plays. I hope his progress continues and he's not just a contract year one-year-wonder. This is where you have to know the man, not just the player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Murphy is one of worst signing in Beane era next to Star who combined rake in about 20million, gas them both and use money on Shaq and another free agent. Those two get destroyed on running plays 2 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Neither are that good. People seriously are going overboard after Shaq got 2 sacks on Sunday. 2 sacks where the offensive line didn't even put a single blocker on him and let him come in untouched. Murphy or anyone else would've gotten those sacks too. You know I probably should just let them slide but are we really complaining about the 3rd ranked defense? 3rd in ppg, 3rd in ypg, 3rd in passing yards per game, and gasp 14th in rushing yards per game. They are top 5 in 3 categories and top half of the league in the other category. With 90 million in cap space there is no need to move on from Star or Trent. There is money to spend on Shaq and Jordan Phillips and others who need to be re-signed. There is still money to add players as well. No reason to cut players and create holes in a very good defense. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 shaq >>> murphy and must get more playing time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Any DE will be upgrade over Murphy. No sacks, abosulutely invisible all season. If Beane finds in free agency and draft a dominatnt DE , upgrades for Star and Levi , 3rd LB on level with Edmunds and Milano = this defence will destroy every opponent next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I say let our defensive coach do whatever the &#@$ he wants. It's been working. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Neither are that good. People seriously are going overboard after Shaq got 2 sacks on Sunday. 2 sacks where the offensive line didn't even put a single blocker on him and let him come in untouched. Murphy or anyone else would've gotten those sacks too. Murphy is useless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 In still think we can upgrade Shaq..he has done well lately but not convinced to throw lot of money at him. It looked twice Broncos forgot to block him. He hasn't really stood out for me and considering this is his contract year you expect a player to do well. I have to look at his overall play last couple years included. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Over the cap has the savings at 7.2 million with 1.75 mill in dead money if we cut him in 2020, not sure about the post June 1st cut that option never seems to work on that site. Use Spotrac. I believe it's a much better site. Click the Red X on the right of the year to see details. No change if Murphy is cut after June 1st. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/trent-murphy-14456/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Neither are that good. People seriously are going overboard after Shaq got 2 sacks on Sunday. 2 sacks where the offensive line didn't even put a single blocker on him and let him come in untouched. Murphy or anyone else would've gotten those sacks too. Shaq's been solid, if unspectacular, all season. He's reminding me of Phil Hansen - the sort of player that'll never be an All-Pro, but that you can rely on to consistently do the job. A good team needs a lot of players like that. Murphy...the only time I've noticed him the past few weeks was in blown coverage that had me saying "Oh yeah, I forgot about him...why is he dropped back in to coverage?" 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Shaq was a bust to many b4 the season including management since they didn't pick up the option. I doubt he will give the home town discount now "Murphy" was a full episode of Seinfeld. .... or sorry I don't know the other guy your talking about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 58 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Over the cap has the savings at 7.2 million with 1.75 mill in dead money if we cut him in 2020, not sure about the post June 1st cut that option never seems to work on that site. Not quite sure about Shaq yet, but saving 7.2M....we need to show Murphy the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, section122 said: With 90 million in cap space there is no need to move on from Star or Trent. Without getting into the merits of Murphy or Star, players need to contribute to the level of whatever remains on their contracts. This should be true regardless of how much cap space the Bills are saving for White, Allen, Murphy, Phillips, and a Superbowl run. Better to carry dead cap then dead weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I think Shaq is a RDE. I’ve only seen him make 1 play on the left side this season. Everything else comes from the right or DT. I like him, but I don’t think he’s a fit for us unless we plan on keeping him as a RDE. This is correct, but I wouldn't be shocked if Hughes was cut (if no paycut) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Cut Murphy and throw that $$$ Shaq's way with a bit more on top. I still want us to make a run @ Ngakoue as well. Edited November 26, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, suorangefan4 said: Neither are that good. People seriously are going overboard after Shaq got 2 sacks on Sunday. 2 sacks where the offensive line didn't even put a single blocker on him and let him come in untouched. Murphy or anyone else would've gotten those sacks too. True but at this point Shaq is the better player. But keep in mind Murphy already got paid and Shaq is trying to. Who knows what his motivation will be like once he cashes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Shaq has been playing like a man with a contract negotiation coming That implies he was dogging it previously and likely will do so after new con tract, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Shaq was a bust to many b4 the season including management since they didn't pick up the option. I doubt he will give the home town discount now "Murphy" was a full episode of Seinfeld. .... or sorry I don't know the other guy your talking about It doesn't make you a bust if your option isn't picked up. You just failed to meet expectations. Like Shaq, you can still be a serviceable player. Not his fault he was over drafted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, section122 said: You know I probably should just let them slide but are we really complaining about the 3rd ranked defense? 3rd in ppg, 3rd in ypg, 3rd in passing yards per game, and gasp 14th in rushing yards per game. They are top 5 in 3 categories and top half of the league in the other category. With 90 million in cap space there is no need to move on from Star or Trent. There is money to spend on Shaq and Jordan Phillips and others who need to be re-signed. There is still money to add players as well. No reason to cut players and create holes in a very good defense. I don’t see any reason to keep Trent. You can save $7.2M by releasing him. That feels like a no-brainer. He’s a bad player. You can get equal or better production for half the price. Regardless of the cap space they already have there is zero reason for Trent Murphy to be on this team in 2020. The same goes for Kroft and Spencer Long imo (there is another $9Mish in those 2). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That implies he was dogging it previously and likely will do so after new con tract, no? Not necessarily. Young players do get better with more experience. And players in general get better with good coaching and being placed in a better position to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: Not necessarily. Young players do get better with more experience. And players in general get better with good coaching and being placed in a better position to succeed. All true...but not what I was responding to. Poster implied player was turning up this game because of an upcoming potential contract negotiation, not for the reasons you listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: All true...but not what I was responding to. Poster implied player was turning up this game because of an upcoming potential contract negotiation, not for the reasons you listed. Without question players do turn up their game when a contract is coming up. That happens in all sports. Getting better with experience and having a financial incentive to get better for the next contract are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: Without question players do turn up their game when a contract is coming up. That happens in all sports. Getting better with experience and having a financial incentive to get better for the next contract are not mutually exclusive. I disagree. Allowing for improvement over years (Lawson has been around for 4 years now, underperforming), if I'm a GM and I think a player is turning it on to cash in, then I would be right to suspect he will turn it down after cashing in. In fact, by saying that they turn up their game explicitly says they made a decision to play harder than if it was not a contract year. Don't want that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I loved when we signed Trent and thought he would light it up this year (given the length of time to come back from knees). He hasn’t. it wasn’t a terrible signing, in my opinion, it just didn’t work out. Time to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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