Shaq over Murphy, Right?

[Irv]

Shaq gets two sacks completely unblocked on both.  Now we're ready to pay him Pro Bowl money?  Jeezz

[Kirby Jackson]

29 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

Realistically, what does a Shaq Lawson contract look like?

 

1 minute ago, Irv said:

Shaq gets two sacks completely unblocked on both.  Now we're ready to pay him Pro Bowl money?  Jeezz

I think it looks a lot like the contract Murphy signed last year. He got 3 years and $22.5M with $10.375M guaranteed. Shaq may get a little more than that with the cap always rising. I’m thinking like 3 years, $24M, $12M guaranteed. 

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lawson, to me, is the exact type of guy that the Patriots have. He’s a guy that is scheme versatile and rarely makes mistakes. He’s really good against the run and gets a little pressure. He can slide inside in a pinch. He the sort of “unsung” role player that good teams have. I kind of feel the same way about our guards. Just solid football players

But the Pats don't pay this kind of player 10 plus mil per, and it wouldn't shock me if Lawson got that kind of deal, especially if he gets close to 10 sacks. Some team is going to believe he's on the "cusp" of breaking out. That won't happen with his skillset. He's a nice player to have. I think we all agree on that. He's not a player a team should allocate a great deal of resources to attain. The Pats generally find guys "like" Lawson off the scrapheap. We'll see what happens with Lawson and the contract, but I don't think he's gonna be available for 5-7 mil per and that's his value. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

37 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

But the Pats don't pay this kind of player 10 plus mil per, and it wouldn't shock me if Lawson got that kind of deal, especially if he gets close to 10 sacks. Some team is going to believe he's on the "cusp" of breaking out. That won't happen with his skillset. He's a nice player to have. I think we all agree on that. He's not a player a team should allocate a great deal of resources to attain. The Pats generally find guys "like" Lawson off the scrapheap. We'll see what happens with Lawson and the contract, but I don't think he's gonna be available for 5-7 mil per and that's his value. 

 

 

I had him at $8M. I can’t see him signing for less than Murphy did 2 years ago. Cut Murphy and save $7.2M in cap space and hand it to Shaq. It feels like a pretty easy solution. Sign or draft a big time pass rusher too. That gives you FA/Hughes/Shaq/Darryl Johnson (or whomever). That’s an upgrade to where we are today. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I had him at $8M. I can’t see him signing for less than Murphy did 2 years ago. Cut Murphy and save $7.2M in cap space and hand it to Shaq. It feels like a pretty easy solution. Sign or draft a pick time pass rusher too. That gives you FA/Hughes/Shaq/Darryl Johnson (or whomever). That’s an upgrade to where we are today. 

Yeah. That's where contracts can become strangely personal. You know full well Lawson ain't taking less than what Murphy was paid. The issue there is that Murphy's contract was awful for the Bills, so it's not a good barometer from the team's perspective.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. That's where contracts can become strangely personal. You know full well Lawson ain't taking less than what Murphy was paid. The issue there is that Murphy's contract was awful for the Bills, so it's not a good barometer from the team's perspective.

 

 

Yeah, it was a gamble which is why they gave themselves this out. They should take it. Murphy just isn’t good. He doesn’t rush the passer and he’s a total liability vs. the run. I’m disappointed in him. When they got him I expected like an 8 sack guy that was solid all-around. Ironically, that’s kind of the player that Shaq actually is. 
 

Re-signing him raises the floor for the Bills. The worst case scenario would be Hughes/Shaq/Johnson/Yarborough (or whatever). That’s no worse than what we have right now. I think that they are going to chase a pass rusher though. Ideally they’d love Clowney but realistically think it’s a tier down or Yeter Gross-Mattos in the draft. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Lot of good posts and info in this thread.

 

Agreed that, if I had to pick one out of the two, it's Shaq all day.

 

Fine with cutting Murphy and giving that money to Shaq. We only carry 4 DEs as it is, so then only need to add 1 or 2 more and let them all battle through camp. I heavent paid enough attention to Johnson this year to have an opinion either way. Will have to start keeping an eye out for #92.

 

Hughes has a $9.5M price tag next year if kept on the roster. But if he is cut, he costs us $10.85M in dead money. So no way does he get cut next year.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

20 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

That implies he was dogging it previously and likely will do so after new con tract, no?

 

I’m not implying anything other than he has career record season totals in sacks and stuffs in a contract year. 

 

Maybe it’s completely coincidental?  ?‍♂️ 

[VaMilBill]

I haven’t noticed Murphy doing good or bad things all season. Just seems to be a contributing player (although not living up to his contract). 
 Has Murphy really been as bad as some people mention on here? 
 

I will caveat that with the fact Shaq has performed better than Murphy all year

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I’m not implying anything other than he has career record season totals in sacks and stuffs in a contract year. 

 

Maybe it’s completely coincidental?  ?‍♂️ 

 
if the light switch finally went on in his 4th year, that’s better than never i guess. 
 

if because it’s a contract year,  he decided to play better than he has, he won’t play this way again after he gets paid

[John from Riverside]

I want to know what happened to Daryl Johnson.....at the beginning of the year and through training camp I honestly thought he was going to make Shaq and Murphy BOTH mute points

 

 

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Hughes has a $9.5M price tag next year if kept on the roster. But if he is cut, he costs us $10.85M in dead money. So no way does he get cut next year.

 

Same with Star, though he's probably around for 2 years given his contract. 

[LSHMEAB]

7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, it was a gamble which is why they gave themselves this out. They should take it. Murphy just isn’t good. He doesn’t rush the passer and he’s a total liability vs. the run. I’m disappointed in him. When they got him I expected like an 8 sack guy that was solid all-around. Ironically, that’s kind of the player that Shaq actually is. 
 

Re-signing him raises the floor for the Bills. The worst case scenario would be Hughes/Shaq/Johnson/Yarborough (or whatever). That’s no worse than what we have right now. I think that they are going to chase a pass rusher though. Ideally they’d love Clowney but realistically think it’s a tier down or Yeter Gross-Mattos in the draft. 

No doubt my man. I like Shaq and at 8 mil, meh, I just don't know. He's a "solid" player.

 

There's no doubt in my mind that the defense is still a stud pass rusher away. Beane was in the hunt for Clowney and Frank so I believe he sees this as well. 

 

Why not Clowney? We've got the cash. We don't generally fare well in signing big name FA "weapons." I say we swing for the fences on pass rusher in the off season. 

 

And Murphy is trash. Just a bad signing, but it is what it is. I don't consider him anything going forward. Just a guy they have to figure out cap wise what to do. I did notice him once this season on a Fitz run in the first Miami game where his head was on a swivel as one of the least mobile QB's in the NFL ran right on by. Total waste of space.

 

Pass rusher. I think WR is the way to go in the draft and big time pass rusher is the way to go in FA'cy. People act like Mario Williams was a terrible signing. He wasn't. The fact that we didn't win and the fact that he fell off a cliff don't change the reality that he had a significant impact on the D for a few seasons. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

No doubt my man. I like Shaq and at 8 mil, meh, I just don't know. He's a "solid" player.

 

There's no doubt in my mind that the defense is still a stud pass rusher away. Beane was in the hunt for Clowney and Frank so I believe he sees this as well. 

 

Why not Clowney? We've got the cash. We don't generally fare well in signing big name FA "weapons." I say we swing for the fences on pass rusher in the off season. 

 

And Murphy is trash. Just a bad signing, but it is what it is. I don't consider him anything going forward. Just a guy they have to figure out cap wise what to do. I did notice him once this season on a Fitz run in the first Miami game where his head was on a swivel as one of the least mobile QB's in the NFL ran right on by. Total waste of space.

 

Pass rusher. I think WR is the way to go in the draft and big time pass rusher is the way to go in FA'cy. People act like Mario Williams was a terrible signing. He wasn't. The fact that we didn't win and the fact that he fell off a cliff don't change the reality that he had a significant impact on the D for a few seasons. 

I tend to agree on all counts. The draft is LOADED at WR. You’ll get a great player there.

 

I just don’t think Clowney leaves Seattle. I think we will chase him. I’m advocating Shaq AND an elite pass rusher. They have plenty of money and still have years before paying Allen. 
 

I’d sign Clowney, Shaq, Spain, extend Tre, extend Poyer, extend Milano, cut Murphy, cut Kroft, draft WR I think that team will be really good. They can do all of those things IMO. 

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I tend to agree on all counts. The draft is LOADED at WR. You’ll get a great player there.

 

I just don’t think Clowney leaves Seattle. I think we will chase him. I’m advocating Shaq AND an elite pass rusher. They have plenty of money and still have years before paying Allen. 
 

I’d sign Clowney, Shaq, Spain, extend Tre, extend Poyer, extend Milano, cut Murphy, cut Kroft, draft WR I think that team will be really good. They can do all of those things IMO. 

I'm with you 100 percent. The cap is really not an issue right now and I tend to think people overplay the significance. The top teams just find a way to sign the must have players and let a few not so serious walk.

 

We've had a REALLY easy schedule as it pertains to QB's and I think that leads people to believe there are no defensive needs. Not true IMO. With a stud pass rusher, you don't go such lengths without a TO nor do you allow Mayfield that final TD drive. These stud guys just make things happen themselves or draw so much attention that others can go to town. There isn't THAT guy on this roster. The defense is extremely solid but they're not "dominant" and that comes with that elusive player we're speaking about. You think SF lets Baker march down the field the way he did? I don't. Allocate all other resources to offense for all I care, but HUNT the best pass rusher available.

[Shooter McGavin]

8 hours ago, Sunshower said:

Realistically, what does a Shaq Lawson contract look like?

I’m not sure, but Trent Murphy’s next contract is looking like a 1 year deal for a few baseball cards, a sack of marbles....Petey

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Same with Star, though he's probably around for 2 years given his contract. 

And maybe cuz he's playing well. Top 3 overall d so far this year and star being the only constant among dt the last 2 years. Kyle retired, Harrison injured, Peko, a rook in Oliver and the other Phillips coming on. The year before star got here pro-football.com had us as the 29th ranked rush d. Since his arrival, 16th,14th and top 3 overall d this year. Again, he's the only constant dt the last 2 years. There's a lot of dts making more and their d isn't as good as ours. People somehow miss he's the rock of our d front.

[Thurman#1]

On 11/27/2019 at 7:05 AM, Dkollidas said:

Especially after this season, the way both have played, I assume they’ll try to re-sign Shaq, as long as he wants to be here, and cut ties with Murphy.

 

Shaq will basically take Murphy’s salary position on the team. 

 

Draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round, and sign a lower priced UFA (Vic Beasley?).

 

Hughes/Draft-Pick

Lawson/UFA

 

seems like a much better way to have the defensive ends going forward. 

 

 

It'll depend on what Shaq can get. He might easily want more than we would be willing to give. Murphy is doing a decent job, but not living up to his contract. Best guess is he's probably gone. They can save $5.95 mill by cutting him.

 

Yeah, a low- to mid-priced UFA or even two and maybe a draft pick or two seems a very likely guess.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. That's where contracts can become strangely personal. You know full well Lawson ain't taking less than what Murphy was paid. The issue there is that Murphy's contract was awful for the Bills, so it's not a good barometer from the team's perspective.

 

 

 

Me, I doubt it will have anything at all to do with Murphy's contract, and everything to do with Lawson's perceived market value.

 

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

No doubt my man. I like Shaq and at 8 mil, meh, I just don't know. He's a "solid" player.

 

There's no doubt in my mind that the defense is still a stud pass rusher away. Beane was in the hunt for Clowney and Frank so I believe he sees this as well. 

 

Why not Clowney? We've got the cash. We don't generally fare well in signing big name FA "weapons." I say we swing for the fences on pass rusher in the off season. 

 

And Murphy is trash. Just a bad signing, but it is what it is. I don't consider him anything going forward. Just a guy they have to figure out cap wise what to do. I did notice him once this season on a Fitz run in the first Miami game where his head was on a swivel as one of the least mobile QB's in the NFL ran right on by. Total waste of space.

 

Pass rusher. I think WR is the way to go in the draft and big time pass rusher is the way to go in FA'cy. People act like Mario Williams was a terrible signing. He wasn't. The fact that we didn't win and the fact that he fell off a cliff don't change the reality that he had a significant impact on the D for a few seasons. 

 

 

 

"We've got the cash" is a terrible argument, in pretty much any financial question. The guy who makes decisions based on whether or not he has the cash ... soon won't.

 

And it's not how they run this team. Thank goodness. This is a fiscally conservative group, which is how the best teams operate.

 

They're going to try to make sure they have the cash every year, by husbanding and using it carefully and conservatively. Look at how the Panthers work.

 

 

 

And as for "the top teams," that do end up "signing the big name FA 'weapons'" for rushing the passer? How many of the teams that are consistently competitive (which is our FO's stated goal)  have done that? The Pats? Ravens? Steelers? Pack? Saints? Seahawks? How many have gotten their best pass rushers by paying out the nose for him in FA? Any of them?

 

Not the Seahawks. They traded for Clowney and got him for cheap for one year. They might then re-sign him, if he fits, but they didn't give him the huge contract without having had him on the roster.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 11/27/2019 at 7:12 AM, Niagara Dude said:

Murphy is one of worst signing in Beane era next to Star who combined rake in about 20million,  gas them both and use money on Shaq and another free agent.  Those two get destroyed on running plays

 

 

Star has done well, he's been a good pickup, consistently doing what he was signed for, eating double-teams and creating lanes for the LBs to run to the ball.

 

Murphy has been OK, but was signed with the hopes that he'd get maybe 7 or 8 sacks a year. He hasn't lived up to that. He's been decent, but he's not really living up to his contract.

[purple haze]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I tend to agree on all counts. The draft is LOADED at WR. You’ll get a great player there.

 

I just don’t think Clowney leaves Seattle. I think we will chase him. I’m advocating Shaq AND an elite pass rusher. They have plenty of money and still have years before paying Allen. 
 

I’d sign Clowney, Shaq, Spain, extend Tre, extend Poyer, extend Milano, cut Murphy, cut Kroft, draft WR I think that team will be really good. They can do all of those things IMO. 

I like Spain, but do they leave Ford at RT or decide OG is his position going forward?  Feliciano only signed for two years and that dude, to me, is the soul of the O-line.  And he can play well at two positions.  I'd rather extend him over Spain.

[Aussie Joe]

Neither Trent or Shaq are on this team in 2020 folks...they are moving on for different reasons.. Trent has been disappointing and Shaq previously got the 5th year brush off..

I think Beane buys a big name DE in March  and they also draft a DE early as well to fill the gaps of Shaq and Murphy..

 

I also think an offer of around $18M for 3 years is made to Spain and I  hope he takes it..

 

They should probably keep Long in 2020 as he is solid OL depth, and whilst not bargain basement, they have bigger needs to fill..

 

Finally, re- sign J Phillips $38M for 4 years..half guaranteed...

 

Folks... the SB window is open for business in 2020 so let’s not be shy..

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

I haven’t noticed Murphy doing good or bad things all season. Just seems to be a contributing player (although not living up to his contract). 
 Has Murphy really been as bad as some people mention on here? 
 

I will caveat that with the fact Shaq has performed better than Murphy all year

 

He has been atrocious in the run game. He gives up edges faster than a Christian gives up chocolate at lent. 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

And as for "the top teams," that do end up "signing the big name FA 'weapons'" for rushing the passer? How many of the teams that are consistently competitive (which is our FO's stated goal)  have done that? The Pats? Ravens? Steelers? Pack? Saints? Seahawks? How many have gotten their best pass rushers by paying out the nose for him in FA? Any of them?

 

Not the Seahawks. They traded for Clowney and got him for cheap for one year. They might then re-sign him, if he fits, but they didn't give him the huge contract without having had him on the roster.

 

The Packers did that this year with the two Smiths. They both account more than €15m cap hits every year after this year. I take the point that is not usually the way the top teams do it. But I would argue the Bills paying a top pass rusher in FA is more like Belichick paying Gilmore in FA. The Pats already had a good defense. What they lacked was a true #1 matchup and lockdown corner guy. They tried developing Butler into that but he wasn't quite there. They could take keeping draft shots and hope one developed or they could find that final piece right there available for them in FA. That is basically where I see the Bills at defensive end. 

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Murphy has been OK, but was signed with the hopes that he'd get maybe 7 or 8 sacks a year. He hasn't lived up to that. He's been decent, but he's not really living up to his contract.

 

I just cannot agree with this. I don't see anything when I watch the game back each week that supports Murphy being decent. He is one of the worst edge setters I have ever seen in a defense that depends and is predicated on lane discipline. 

[Niagara Dude]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Star has done well, he's been a good pickup, consistently doing what he was signed for, eating double-teams and creating lanes for the LBs to run to the ball.

 

Murphy has been OK, but was signed with the hopes that he'd get maybe 7 or 8 sacks a year. He hasn't lived up to that. He's been decent, but he's not really living up to his contract.

All accept that review,  i am just saying that for their combined money we're better off signing a stud play maker.  If you watch close Murhpy is a brutal run defender and sack production is below expectations.  

[Apocalypse Nuts]

7 hours ago, purple haze said:

I like Spain, but do they leave Ford at RT or decide OG is his position going forward?  Feliciano only signed for two years and that dude, to me, is the soul of the O-line.  And he can play well at two positions.  I'd rather extend him over Spain.

 

Just from what I can tell Spain seems to be holding his own esp in the run game.  I always see his number out there putting full effort and he's outstanding getting out and blocking in space.  I guess that's his strength.  I don't observe him enough on passing plays to give any kind of educated evaluation but the whole line seems to be giving Josh some clean pockets most of the time now.  You can really tell they're coming together down the stretch here. 

 

I totally agree with you on Feliciano.  I was skeptical of his signing but he's turned out to be pretty awesome.  I'm with you on the soul of the line area too.  I think his attitude has reset the tone of everyone on the line and the others are feeding off of that.  That is really fantastic to have.  Cody's weaknesses not withstanding, his attitude is extremely helpful too.  Seems like he's improving as the season goes on but he's had that tough, nasty streak since day one. 

 

As to the OP, Murphy is probably as good as gone with Shaq playing like he is now.  That's assuming he doesn't get big $$ and sign elsewhere.  Would be a shame.  I'm of the opinion that this being a contract year was probably the initial motivation, but I don't think he slows down after this season no matter where he is.  The guy is playing like he knows he'll be a bust if he doesn't kick up into high gear and produce.  He's finding his game now and that's not going to go away soon.  Too much pride in these guys.  Regardless it's clear to all of us that Trent is not living up the his contract.  We know Beane will cut bait with guys like that and take the hit and move on quickly.

 

One last note:  it is a real pleasure to have so few guys to talk about like this with all the crazy depth at so many positions right now.  I cannot recall a time like this in the last 20 years at least.  Maybe not the best personnel in the entire league, but some damn good quality at most positions with really good backups.  Nice to have finally.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Distorted One

[Formerly Allan in MD]

8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Neither Trent or Shaq are on this team in 2020 folks...they are moving on for different reasons.. Trent has been disappointing and Shaq previously got the 5th year brush off..

I think Beane buys a big name DE in March  and they also draft a DE early as well to fill the gaps of Shaq and Murphy..

 

I also think an offer of around $18M for 3 years is made to Spain and I  hope he takes it..

 

They should probably keep Long in 2020 as he is solid OL depth, and whilst not bargain basement, they have bigger needs to fill..

 

Finally, re- sign J Phillips $38M for 4 years..half guaranteed...

 

Folks... the SB window is open for business in 2020 so let’s not be shy..

 

 

 

 

Good post.  Hope you're right.

[Elite Poster]

On 11/26/2019 at 7:51 PM, matter2003 said:

 

It gets old seeing people complaining about Star when the dude has done exactly what he has been asked to do on one of the best defenses in the NFL. Suffice to say they are happy with what he has done and they actually know what he is supposed to be doing.

 

They are so happy with what he has done, he has been getting less and less snaps every game this season. Give me a break. He was getting phased out by Harry, he got hurt. Then he started getting more snaps and now he is getting phased out by J. Phillips.

 

The dude is a entirely useless. His name could not be more inappropriate and unfitting. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Elite Poster

[purple haze]

7 hours ago, Distorted One said:

 

Just from what I can tell Spain seems to be holding his own esp in the run game.  I always see his number out there putting full effort and he's outstanding getting out and blocking in space.  I guess that's his strength.  I don't observe him enough on passing plays to give any kind of educated evaluation but the whole line seems to be giving Josh some clean pockets most of the time now.  You can really tell they're coming together down the stretch here. 

 

I totally agree with you on Feliciano.  I was skeptical of his signing but he's turned out to be pretty awesome.  I'm with you on the soul of the line area too.  I think his attitude has reset the tone of everyone on the line and the others are feeding off of that.  That is really fantastic to have.  Cody's weaknesses not withstanding, his attitude is extremely helpful too.  Seems like he's improving as the season goes on but he's had that tough, nasty streak since day one. 

 

As to the OP, Murphy is probably as good as gone with Shaq playing like he is now.  That's assuming he doesn't get big $$ and sign elsewhere.  Would be a shame.  I'm of the opinion that this being a contract year was probably the initial motivation, but I don't think he slows down after this season no matter where he is.  The guy is playing like he knows he'll be a bust if he doesn't kick up into high gear and produce.  He's finding his game now and that's not going to go away soon.  Too much pride in these guys.  Regardless it's clear to all of us that Trent is not living up the his contract.  We know Beane will cut bait with guys like that and take the hit and move on quickly.

 

One last note:  it is a real pleasure to have so few guys to talk about like this with all the crazy depth at so many positions right now.  I cannot recall a time like this in the last 20 years at least.  Maybe not the best personnel in the entire league, but some damn good quality at most positions with really good backups.  Nice to have finally.

Shaq was playing pretty well last season too. This year he's gotten even better.  I would love him to stick around and Murphy can go.  I barely notice him most games.

[suorangefan4]

I said Shaq got too much credit for the sacks last week because they were really easy as he went unblocked both times. Today was a really nice sack so good job Shaq. Trent got a strip sack too. 

[Dopey]

On 11/26/2019 at 5:12 PM, Niagara Dude said:

Murphy is one of worst signing in Beane era next to Star who combined rake in about 20million,  gas them both and use money on Shaq and another free agent.  Those two get destroyed on running plays

Leave Star alone.

[The Jokeman]

12 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Leave Star alone.

He should Murphy alone too as he plays an important part on this D. I want him, Phillips and Shaq back next season.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Shaq is developing into a  solid player. Need to sign this guy. As for who should play more it doesn't matter. They have a good rotation going.

[Xwnyer]

On 11/26/2019 at 5:05 PM, Dkollidas said:

Especially after this season, the way both have played, I assume they’ll try to re-sign Shaq, as long as he wants to be here, and cut ties with Murphy.

 

Shaq will basically take Murphy’s salary position on the team. 

 

Draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round, and sign a lower priced UFA (Vic Beasley?).

 

Hughes/Draft-Pick

Lawson/UFA

 

seems like a much better way to have the defensive ends going forward. 

Agree Shaw is playing lights out Murphy I hardly notice much

[PirateHookerMD]

Shaq is an above average player and we should not overpay. If he wants a process deal Im in. 

[thurst44]

1 hour ago, Xwnyer said:

Agree Shaw is playing lights out Murphy I hardly notice much

Yeah, he didn't do anything at all today -- oh wait!

 

(but, yes, I would not bring Murphy back either, and Shaq has been a beast the last few weeks and seems to fit perfectly into their system)

[YoloinOhio]

 

[John from Riverside]

I will say it 

 

SHAQ MUST STAY

[DrDawkinstein]

On 11/27/2019 at 5:27 PM, Sundancer said:

 

Same with Star, though he's probably around for 2 years given his contract. 

 

Well, we still save money cutting Star, even if it's just $2M, it's still money in our pocket. If we cut Hughes, we'd end up spending more to cut him than to keep him and pay him.

 

That all said, after the last couple weeks (especially yesterday), and if they keep playing like they have been, both will be around next year and rightfully so.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/28/2019 at 2:10 AM, Aussie Joe said:

Neither Trent or Shaq are on this team in 2020 folks...they are moving on for different reasons.. Trent has been disappointing and Shaq previously got the 5th year brush off..

I think Beane buys a big name DE in March  and they also draft a DE early as well to fill the gaps of Shaq and Murphy..

 

I also think an offer of around $18M for 3 years is made to Spain and I  hope he takes it..

 

They should probably keep Long in 2020 as he is solid OL depth, and whilst not bargain basement, they have bigger needs to fill..

 

Finally, re- sign J Phillips $38M for 4 years..half guaranteed...

 

Folks... the SB window is open for business in 2020 so let’s not be shy..

 

 

 

 

I agree with everything you say. We will draft a de early to eventually replace Jerry and sign a high end fa to replace Trent. The odds of keeping Shaq here are slim.

Edited November 29, 2019 by LABILLBACKER