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In Hindsight, Broncos Fans Want Josh Allen Over Bradley Chubb


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47 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said:

It is amazing that Elway didn't get in on the 2018 draft class - whether it was JA or anyone else. They were sitting right there with obvious need.

 

Didn't they just draft Lynch a year or two earlier?

 

You can't keep going to the well year after year with 1st round QB's

 

Elway is probably gun shy by this point. ;)

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16 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

"HEAR ME OUT......."

 

Very large wrench thrown in here......

 

What if stupid Elway offered Denver's next FOUR #1's for Josh in the offseason? Asking for fun, obviously.

If Elway offered four #1s for Josh, and the Bills accepted the offer, Josh would be injured in the next training camp.  The Broncos are snakebite about QBs.

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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

What QB’s has he passed on in the draft besides Allen?

To be fair, not a ton.

 

Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later.

 

He also missed out on Nate Peterman

 

But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses

54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Vea went after Allen

 

They didn't have a chance

We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen.

 

Similar to us with Mahommes

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2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

To be fair, not a ton.

 

Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later.

 

He also missed out on Nate Peterman

 

But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses

We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen.

 

Similar to us with Mahommes

To be fair everyone missed on Peterman much like Brady:)

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4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

To be fair, not a ton.

 

Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later.

 

He also missed out on Nate Peterman

 

But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses

We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen.

 

Similar to us with Mahommes

I know read 2 comments after that I forgot who we swapped with

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Putting aside the drafting Josh Allen argument for a second just to say that the guy (Brandon Allen) playing now lit Cleveland up and played well enough to get them a win vs the Vikings if the Broncos D didn't choke that game away.  I guess in the end they still have an Allen playing QB.

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2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I understand the differing opinions. But someone over there is suggesting that Lock's floor is what Allen is playing at now, and that Locke is likely to be much better than Allen.  I don't even know what to do with that comment. 

 

Just say, "I see".  I mean, it could happen.   I suppose.

 

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Drafted

 

Osweiler

Lynch

Simien

Chad Kelly

Drew Lock

 

Signed/Traded for

 

Manning

Keenum

Flacco

 

Amazingly, the best one he drafted might have been Simien

 

My goodness, that's a list.

 

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

poor Denver fans over the QBs they've had the last 20 years

 

What with Manning and the Superbowl win, I tell you my Nose just bleeds for them.

2 hours ago, teef said:

it looked like he was trolling the bills board.  after all, what chief fan would go to a broncos board to ask that question of a bills qb?  i get it, but that's the definition of having far too much time on your hands.  

 

So this is Zerovoltz post back in June.  "His accuracy sucks....he's never been accurate...was it a mistake to pass on him?"  LOL!

Josh Allen

06-30-2019, 10:35 PM
 
Josh Allen (the QB) has been getting a lot of run this offseason as a guy to watch....big improvement coming etc etc. I wouldn't have drafted Josh Allen, and I was dissappointed that hte Broncos passed him becasue I thought he would suck....You all took of course took Chubb...passing both Allen and Rosen.

I haven't seen much of anyone here talking about it, but was it a mistake to pass on Allen?

He's fun to watch play....his accuracy sucks..but he can run and scramble. The roster around him wasn't all that good but he's never been accurate.
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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

What with Manning and the Superbowl win, I tell you my Nose just bleeds for them.

 

 

 

and Elway, maybe back a bit more

 

not one of those fans who sees the Bills being better this year erasing 20+ years of awfulness

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jamie Nails said:

Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? 

Oh, oh, I know the answer to this one.  Mahomes, Wilson and Gronkowski.  If not Gronkowski, then Jimmy Graham or any of the other 3 or 4 tight ends in the greatest TE draft in the history of the league. 

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2 hours ago, Jamie Nails said:

Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? 

2012 - If you had taken Russell Wilson over TJ Graham, Wilson would still be our QB and we wouldn't have needed Mahomie. We still could've gotten White and the 22nd pick just by moving down like we did.

 

2013 - Seeing as we wouldn't need a QB this year we could've gotten DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st and LeVeon Bell in the 2nd. Both without having to move up. Instead we got EJ Manuel.

 

Wilson, Hopkins and Bell ... That's a helluva trio.

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The irony is that if Chubb was gone by pick 5 the Bills had a deal in place to trade picks 12, 22 & 53 to Denver in a trade up for Allen.  So instead of the question being whether the Broncos should have taken Chubb instead of Allen, the debate in Denver would be were the Broncos right in trading away the pick the Bills used for Allen.  I guess that would now depend on who the Broncos picked.  If they had used the 3 picks for 3 starters and one of the 1st rounders was Lamar Jackson they would be calling Elway a genius.

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6 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

A journalist in Denver put this tweet out the other day asking fans whether they would still draft Bradley Chubb over Josh Allen in the 2018 draft. 
 

 

 

As you can imagine this trigger a lot of responses.  For the most part it was mixed but overall  a lot of fans actually said that they would take Josh Allen over Bradley Chubb.  

Of course, you get the usually Twitter crowd trying to quantify why he Allen isn’t good.  
 

Overall a lot of them seem to be down on Chubb and are concerned about the QB position.   One fan called Chubb “an OLB with a bum knee” ?

 

Id say it’s about 60-40 Allen over Chubb based on those responses

 


Similar to the questions of Allen v Jackson that are gonna be asked when Lamar & Co. come into town ? (I know my thoughts). Mid week garbage for a team that - prior to now - NEVER had two consecutive losing seasons since before Elway.

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4 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Does it really matter what fans want?

 

He really is having a poor season tho...12 sacks last year and only 1 this year.

If you call being on injured reserve after week 4 a poor season, then he's having a poor season.  He's not having a poor season, he's been out for the season since week 4.  I guess if you look at how many TDs Roethlisberger has thrown this year, he's having a poor season too.  This is another example of looking at stats out of context.  BTW, it's not personal, I hate football stats of all kinds and you just gave me a chance to condemn stats and I took it. 

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10 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

What kind of existence is that?

I have a GREAT job where I sit at a desk for 12 hours at a time and monitor a particular railroad safety/navigation system that I know alot about, and when something goes awry, I handle it...but there is a whole lot of doing nothing between actually working....and so I have the time to "troll" around on message boards....etc etc.

 

The Josh Allen thread at the orangemane is still getting alot of action....now especially since it's Bills vs Broncos week.  Some of those folks are turning a bit....

 

...anyhow.  I will be rooting hard for a Bills victory this week.  You all should have it in the bag....the Broncos are a bad team, with a QB who has played ok, but completing 50% of his passes.  The Broncos never play well in early start eastern time zone games.  

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56 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If you call being on injured reserve after week 4 a poor season, then he's having a poor season.  He's not having a poor season, he's been out for the season since week 4.  I guess if you look at how many TDs Roethlisberger has thrown this year, he's having a poor season too.  This is another example of looking at stats out of context.  BTW, it's not personal, I hate football stats of all kinds and you just gave me a chance to condemn stats and I took it. 

 

Hahaha, fair point...did not know he has been on IR...I guess that would explain some drop off.

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Zerovoltz - I don't see 60% of that forum saying that they prefer Allen to Chubb, more like 25%.

 

That said, amongst all the fairly ignorant people on there, I wholeheartedly agree with the guy who points out that Josh does not throw receivers open.

 

I truly believe that this is the only component of his game that is stopping him from achieving true quarterback greatness (the deep balls will come). If he can throw guys open and increase his YAC numbers then I am confident that we will have another HOFer on our books.

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2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Zerovoltz - I don't see 60% of that forum saying that they prefer Allen to Chubb, more like 25%.

 

That said, amongst all the fairly ignorant people on there, I wholeheartedly agree with the guy who points out that Josh does not throw receivers open.

 

I truly believe that this is the only component of his game that is stopping him from achieving true quarterback greatness (the deep balls will come). If he can throw guys open and increase his YAC numbers then I am confident that we will have another HOFer on our books.

In that thread only a few would want Allen, and the guy pointing out Allen doesn’t throw guys open is me ?

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On 11/20/2019 at 1:00 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I understand the differing opinions. But someone over there is suggesting that Lock's floor is what Allen is playing at now, and that Locke is likely to be much better than Allen.  I don't even know what to do with that comment. 

Drew Lock looks like Leave it to Beaver

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On 11/20/2019 at 11:30 AM, Jamie Nails said:

Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? 

Yeah. There's definitely a collective overreaction each week. Good performance; next Elway. Poor performance; bust. 

 

Whatever floats your boat, but the big picture isn't defined on a weekly basis.

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Until you have a good, or least highly promising, QB on your team, you need to draft the first QB you like that is available every draft, IMO.

 

So that means that either Elway didn't think Allen and/or Jackson were good, which is looking false at this point, or he doesn't understand the value of the QB position in the modern game, which seems ridiculous considering he played it. Either way, it's totally on him, IMO.

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