JMF2006 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: It is amazing that Elway didn't get in on the 2018 draft class - whether it was JA or anyone else. They were sitting right there with obvious need. Didn't they just draft Lynch a year or two earlier? You can't keep going to the well year after year with 1st round QB's Elway is probably gun shy by this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: "HEAR ME OUT......." Very large wrench thrown in here...... What if stupid Elway offered Denver's next FOUR #1's for Josh in the offseason? Asking for fun, obviously. If Elway offered four #1s for Josh, and the Bills accepted the offer, Josh would be injured in the next training camp. The Broncos are snakebite about QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I feel like this about drafting allen We 100 percent have the right player because he's so exciting to watch. I think that matters. Not sure whether he's good enough/the answer long term but it's also an interesting thing to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: What about Tampa fans, would they rather have Josh Allen or Vita Vea? I think they'd rather have John Lynch back in the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: What QB’s has he passed on in the draft besides Allen? To be fair, not a ton. Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later. He also missed out on Nate Peterman But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses 54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Vea went after Allen They didn't have a chance We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen. Similar to us with Mahommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: To be fair, not a ton. Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later. He also missed out on Nate Peterman But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen. Similar to us with Mahommes To be fair everyone missed on Peterman much like Brady:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: To be fair, not a ton. Bridgewater is probably the best name. Garoppolo went in the same draft. the year he draft Lynch, Brisett and Dak were drafted later. He also missed out on Nate Peterman But in 2018, he had a chance at Josh Allen, Rosen, and Jackson and passed on all three. Rosen clearly hasnt lived up to expectations, but JA and LJ are looking like bad misses We swapped with Tampa to draft Allen. Similar to us with Mahommes I know read 2 comments after that I forgot who we swapped with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: hasn’t he drafter several QB’s as well? Yes, but not nearly as high as Miller & Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Putting aside the drafting Josh Allen argument for a second just to say that the guy (Brandon Allen) playing now lit Cleveland up and played well enough to get them a win vs the Vikings if the Broncos D didn't choke that game away. I guess in the end they still have an Allen playing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: The placement of that “boot” is perfect 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 poor Denver fans over the QBs they've had the last 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: The placement of that “boot” is perfect That ain't a boot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: That ain't a boot. Well, from the proportions it looked to be about a foot to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I understand the differing opinions. But someone over there is suggesting that Lock's floor is what Allen is playing at now, and that Locke is likely to be much better than Allen. I don't even know what to do with that comment. Just say, "I see". I mean, it could happen. I suppose. 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Drafted Osweiler Lynch Simien Chad Kelly Drew Lock Signed/Traded for Manning Keenum Flacco Amazingly, the best one he drafted might have been Simien My goodness, that's a list. 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: poor Denver fans over the QBs they've had the last 20 years What with Manning and the Superbowl win, I tell you my Nose just bleeds for them. 2 hours ago, teef said: it looked like he was trolling the bills board. after all, what chief fan would go to a broncos board to ask that question of a bills qb? i get it, but that's the definition of having far too much time on your hands. So this is Zerovoltz post back in June. "His accuracy sucks....he's never been accurate...was it a mistake to pass on him?" LOL! Josh Allen 06-30-2019, 10:35 PM Josh Allen (the QB) has been getting a lot of run this offseason as a guy to watch....big improvement coming etc etc. I wouldn't have drafted Josh Allen, and I was dissappointed that hte Broncos passed him becasue I thought he would suck....You all took of course took Chubb...passing both Allen and Rosen. I haven't seen much of anyone here talking about it, but was it a mistake to pass on Allen? He's fun to watch play....his accuracy sucks..but he can run and scramble. The roster around him wasn't all that good but he's never been accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Chubb is really really good. But if Allen turns out to be a franchise qb, then that was def a miss for the Broncos. Franchise qb > elite pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What with Manning and the Superbowl win, I tell you my Nose just bleeds for them. and Elway, maybe back a bit more not one of those fans who sees the Bills being better this year erasing 20+ years of awfulness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Jamie Nails said: Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? Oh, oh, I know the answer to this one. Mahomes, Wilson and Gronkowski. If not Gronkowski, then Jimmy Graham or any of the other 3 or 4 tight ends in the greatest TE draft in the history of the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Jamie Nails said: Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? 2012 - If you had taken Russell Wilson over TJ Graham, Wilson would still be our QB and we wouldn't have needed Mahomie. We still could've gotten White and the 22nd pick just by moving down like we did. 2013 - Seeing as we wouldn't need a QB this year we could've gotten DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st and LeVeon Bell in the 2nd. Both without having to move up. Instead we got EJ Manuel. Wilson, Hopkins and Bell ... That's a helluva trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Never pass on a QB if you don’t have one. I’m thankful they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 what about a Chubb(y)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The irony is that if Chubb was gone by pick 5 the Bills had a deal in place to trade picks 12, 22 & 53 to Denver in a trade up for Allen. So instead of the question being whether the Broncos should have taken Chubb instead of Allen, the debate in Denver would be were the Broncos right in trading away the pick the Bills used for Allen. I guess that would now depend on who the Broncos picked. If they had used the 3 picks for 3 starters and one of the 1st rounders was Lamar Jackson they would be calling Elway a genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 They should, who doesn't want the next John Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Does it really matter what fans want? He really is having a poor season tho...12 sacks last year and only 1 this year. Edited November 21, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninRebel37 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: A journalist in Denver put this tweet out the other day asking fans whether they would still draft Bradley Chubb over Josh Allen in the 2018 draft. As you can imagine this trigger a lot of responses. For the most part it was mixed but overall a lot of fans actually said that they would take Josh Allen over Bradley Chubb. Of course, you get the usually Twitter crowd trying to quantify why he Allen isn’t good. Overall a lot of them seem to be down on Chubb and are concerned about the QB position. One fan called Chubb “an OLB with a bum knee” ? Id say it’s about 60-40 Allen over Chubb based on those responses Similar to the questions of Allen v Jackson that are gonna be asked when Lamar & Co. come into town ? (I know my thoughts). Mid week garbage for a team that - prior to now - NEVER had two consecutive losing seasons since before Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Does it really matter what fans want? He really is having a poor season tho...12 sacks last year and only 1 this year. If you call being on injured reserve after week 4 a poor season, then he's having a poor season. He's not having a poor season, he's been out for the season since week 4. I guess if you look at how many TDs Roethlisberger has thrown this year, he's having a poor season too. This is another example of looking at stats out of context. BTW, it's not personal, I hate football stats of all kinds and you just gave me a chance to condemn stats and I took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hopefully Allen has some motivation knowing the Broncos passed over him in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 It’s nice to see other fan bases play the painful and useless hindsight is 20/20 game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Tenhigh said: What kind of existence is that? I have a GREAT job where I sit at a desk for 12 hours at a time and monitor a particular railroad safety/navigation system that I know alot about, and when something goes awry, I handle it...but there is a whole lot of doing nothing between actually working....and so I have the time to "troll" around on message boards....etc etc. The Josh Allen thread at the orangemane is still getting alot of action....now especially since it's Bills vs Broncos week. Some of those folks are turning a bit.... ...anyhow. I will be rooting hard for a Bills victory this week. You all should have it in the bag....the Broncos are a bad team, with a QB who has played ok, but completing 50% of his passes. The Broncos never play well in early start eastern time zone games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 56 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: If you call being on injured reserve after week 4 a poor season, then he's having a poor season. He's not having a poor season, he's been out for the season since week 4. I guess if you look at how many TDs Roethlisberger has thrown this year, he's having a poor season too. This is another example of looking at stats out of context. BTW, it's not personal, I hate football stats of all kinds and you just gave me a chance to condemn stats and I took it. Hahaha, fair point...did not know he has been on IR...I guess that would explain some drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Zerovoltz - I don't see 60% of that forum saying that they prefer Allen to Chubb, more like 25%. That said, amongst all the fairly ignorant people on there, I wholeheartedly agree with the guy who points out that Josh does not throw receivers open. I truly believe that this is the only component of his game that is stopping him from achieving true quarterback greatness (the deep balls will come). If he can throw guys open and increase his YAC numbers then I am confident that we will have another HOFer on our books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 8:38 AM, matter2003 said: Hahaha, fair point...did not know he has been on IR...I guess that would explain some drop off. I would be really impressed if he got a sack while on IR. DPOY stats there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: Zerovoltz - I don't see 60% of that forum saying that they prefer Allen to Chubb, more like 25%. That said, amongst all the fairly ignorant people on there, I wholeheartedly agree with the guy who points out that Josh does not throw receivers open. I truly believe that this is the only component of his game that is stopping him from achieving true quarterback greatness (the deep balls will come). If he can throw guys open and increase his YAC numbers then I am confident that we will have another HOFer on our books. In that thread only a few would want Allen, and the guy pointing out Allen doesn’t throw guys open is me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 1:00 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I understand the differing opinions. But someone over there is suggesting that Lock's floor is what Allen is playing at now, and that Locke is likely to be much better than Allen. I don't even know what to do with that comment. Drew Lock looks like Leave it to Beaver 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 11:30 AM, Jamie Nails said: Who would you rather have: Mahomes or White and the 22nd pick? Who would you rather have: Russell Wilson or TJ Graham? Who would you rather have: Rob Gronkowski or Torrell Troupe? Yeah. There's definitely a collective overreaction each week. Good performance; next Elway. Poor performance; bust. Whatever floats your boat, but the big picture isn't defined on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Not Lamar Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Well we complain about not picking Mahomes after every loss, so why are we mocking them.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 1:42 PM, Captain Hindsight said: Drafted Osweiler Lynch Simien Chad Kelly Drew Lock Signed/Traded for Manning Kennum Flacco Amazingly, the best one he drafted might have been Simien Did Elway draft Tebow as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Survivor Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 3:22 PM, row_33 said: poor Denver fans over the QBs they've had the last 20 years Poor Denver fans??? Didn't Manning set the touchdown record there? They went to the superbowl twice. Before Josh we hadn't had a starting level QB since Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 7:48 AM, DCbillsfan said: Did Elway draft Tebow as well? No that was Josh McDaniels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Until you have a good, or least highly promising, QB on your team, you need to draft the first QB you like that is available every draft, IMO. So that means that either Elway didn't think Allen and/or Jackson were good, which is looking false at this point, or he doesn't understand the value of the QB position in the modern game, which seems ridiculous considering he played it. Either way, it's totally on him, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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