folz Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Here are Crossman's Special Teams Units rankings per Football Outsiders (the only place I could find ST rankings going back to 2005 quickly): BILLS 2018 32nd 2017 10th 2016 22nd 2015 12th 2014 4th 2013 30th LIONS 2012 30th 2011 29th 2010 11th PANTHERS 2009 29th 2008 10th 2007 30th 2006 24th 2005 5th Top 10 appearances: 4 in14 years (29% of the time) Bottom 4 in the league (29th-32nd): 6 times in 14 years (43% of the time). Think about that for a moment. For 43% of his career as Special Teams coach, his units have been one of the four worst in the NFL. 8 of his 14 seasons, his unit was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league (57% of the time). It was high time for a change. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Finally. Been waiting for this for two years. Sucks on a personal level, but his unit was not performing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Why would McDumbass hire Crossman in the fist place? Makes you wonder how good of a Head Coach he really is... He was retained by McDermott, not hired. Makes you wonder how much you actually pay attention. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Why would McDumbass hire Crossman in the fist place? Makes you wonder how good of a Head Coach he really is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: Have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: So just because he retained him and didn't hire him that's okay with you? It takes time to get to know a coach... He probably didn't know what kind of teacher he was. You can get a feel with an interview but you don't know unless you watch and see for yourself. And the previous 3 seasons our STs was decent under Crossman. So I can see why he was retained. But now is certainly time to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Kmart128 said: It takes time to get to know a coach... He probably didn't know what kind of teacher he was. You can get a feel with an interview but you don't know unless you watch and see for yourself. And the previous 3 seasons our STs was decent under Crossman. So I can see why he was retained. But now is certainly time to let him go. 1. Crossman had a considerable body of work. McDermott was in a position to decide to retain him or not based on that body of work. He chose to retain him. That turns out to have been a bad decision. 2. McDermott has not assembled a stable staff yet. Good NFL coaching turnover is when other teams poach your coaches for promotion. Bad turnover is having to fire guys for failing. Staffing failures are also head coaching failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Finally, too bad it was 5 years too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: He was retained by McDermott, not hired. Makes you wonder how much you actually pay attention. Rehire, retain. Same difference. You are just playing with semantics. When a new HC comes in he brings in his own staff, if he chooses to rehire someone from the old regime he is still choosing to hire him. He is fully responsible for his decision. Edited January 4, 2019 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 there's no question that McDermott is creating a culture of accountability in his coaching staff. He is not playing favourites with anyone including those he has worked with a long time on other teams. I'm as tired of the losing as anyone but I continue to believe that he was the right hire and that we have just begun to build a great organizational culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: I hope the next guy is given better talent to work worth...it's all about having solid depth and,of course,a talented return man..or two.jmho I think you could say that with Castillo and Robiskie, and the very limited talent we had at OL and WR... but I don't think you can say that about Crossman. Yes, we need a returner, but a lot of our issues on ST were coverage issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Why would McDumbass hire Crossman in the fist place? Makes you wonder how good of a Head Coach he really is... Awe man McDumbass, oh that’s a good one. Super creative and what a sick burn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 FINALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He was squibbing most of his kickoffs. I think it's common sense that he should have been IR'd using the ol' eyeball test. As for who made the decision, you're right - we don't really know who was behind the decision to keep him active. Maybe they thought, we are out of the playoffs and he says he is healthy enough to play. Why put him on IR and have to pay someone else money that then won't be able to be carried over to next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, stuvian said: there's no question that McDermott is creating a culture of accountability in his coaching staff. He is not playing favourites with anyone including those he has worked with a long time on other teams. I'm as tired of the losing as anyone but I continue to believe that he was the right hire and that we have just begun to build a great organizational culture. I want you to be right. I am still a bit skeptical. In my opinion, staff coaching failures are also head coaching failures. Castillo, Robiske, and Crossman were all bad staffing decisions by McDermott. (Based on McDermotts decision to fire them all). I am not sure how many times you get to fire coaches, before someone says "does this guy know how to hire good coaches?" I am certain McDermott is not a bust at the Kay Stephenson level. But it is not clear what his ceiling is. The NFL landscape is filled with decent coaches. Someone has to win the games coached between McDermott and Gace or McDermott and Bowles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: I want you to be right. I am still a bit skeptical. In my opinion, staff coaching failures are also head coaching failures. Castillo, Robiske, and Crossman were all bad staffing decisions by McDermott. (Based on McDermotts decision to fire them all). I am not sure how many times you get to fire coaches, before someone says "does this guy know how to hire good coaches?" I am certain McDermott is not a bust at the Kay Stephenson level. But it is not clear what his ceiling is. The NFL landscape is filled with decent coaches. Someone has to win the games coached between McDermott and Gace or McDermott and Bowles. He hasn’t hit on every assistant but Frazier has been a very solid hire so far, with a few hiccups related to play calling early this season notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) I want to read Crossman's "it isn't fair!" article in the Buffalo News... LOL As for McDermott, he knows defense and is learning the ropes as first time head coach. I give him a B- so far overall. He had Beane together have found quite a few gems in the draft and free agency. At first, it seemed like they were finding tons of defensive players but couldn't hit on offense, but if this season they found the answer at QB, a starting G late in the draft, and a solid #2 WR as an UDFA that bodes well for when they really focus resources on offense this year. Edited January 4, 2019 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Name the last time in recent years that a team that didn’t make the playoffs retained every assistant coach? Assistant coaches change all the time don't feed the troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 hours ago, Iraq Vet said: What bothers me is this is a Dough Whaley, Rex Ryan type of an off season so far. You do realize that it's not off-season yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 9 hours ago, folz said: Here are Crossman's Special Teams Units rankings per Football Outsiders (the only place I could find ST rankings going back to 2005 quickly): BILLS 2018 32nd 2017 10th 2016 22nd 2015 12th 2014 4th 2013 30th LIONS 2012 30th 2011 29th 2010 11th PANTHERS 2009 29th 2008 10th 2007 30th 2006 24th 2005 5th Top 10 appearances: 4 in14 years (29% of the time) Bottom 4 in the league (29th-32nd): 6 times in 14 years (43% of the time). Think about that for a moment. For 43% of his career as Special Teams coach, his units have been one of the four worst in the NFL. 8 of his 14 seasons, his unit was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league (57% of the time). It was high time for a change. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst Look, he has a Carolina connection. I bet McBeane bings him in for an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 9 hours ago, folz said: Here are Crossman's Special Teams Units rankings per Football Outsiders (the only place I could find ST rankings going back to 2005 quickly): BILLS 2018 32nd 2017 10th 2016 22nd 2015 12th 2014 4th 2013 30th LIONS 2012 30th 2011 29th 2010 11th PANTHERS 2009 29th 2008 10th 2007 30th 2006 24th 2005 5th Top 10 appearances: 4 in14 years (29% of the time) Bottom 4 in the league (29th-32nd): 6 times in 14 years (43% of the time). Think about that for a moment. For 43% of his career as Special Teams coach, his units have been one of the four worst in the NFL. 8 of his 14 seasons, his unit was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league (57% of the time). It was high time for a change. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst this kinda goes with your post : https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/1081204178523951104 https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/1081204178523951104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: I want you to be right. I am still a bit skeptical. In my opinion, staff coaching failures are also head coaching failures. Castillo, Robiske, and Crossman were all bad staffing decisions by McDermott. (Based on McDermotts decision to fire them all). I am not sure how many times you get to fire coaches, before someone says "does this guy know how to hire good coaches?" I am certain McDermott is not a bust at the Kay Stephenson level. But it is not clear what his ceiling is. The NFL landscape is filled with decent coaches. Someone has to win the games coached between McDermott and Gace or McDermott and Bowles. As a first time DC coach I would assume it’s not that easy to field the offensive side of the ball when other coaches may be reluctant to join in. Now after 2 years of mediocre OL play and and poor STs he decided to go another way. But now the Bills have what looks to be a solid QB, young promising WRs and a ton of cap room to go along with a OC who is better than Dennison. The defense will be better with a better offense. The writing is on the wall. It’s a much more attractive situation and an easier sell for Beane and McD to bring in guys they want. Not just coaches, but players. Everyone sees it. I see what you’re saying. But I’d expect things to improve next year over the past couple because of it. Lets be honest, Castillo and Crossman have a track record of mediocrity. If you dig enough it seems as if Castillo’s beliefs didn’t line up with Dabolls style and It was just time for new blood on STs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: don't feed the troll Honestly, I think that fella is just dim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, simpleman said: Rehire, retain. Same difference. You are just playing with semantics. When a new HC comes in he brings in his own staff, if he chooses to rehire someone from the old regime he is still choosing to hire him. He is fully responsible for his decision. He didn’t say rehire, he said hire. Retain and hire don’t mean the same thing. Rehire and retain are closer in meaning. You are twisting words. Who’s playing semantics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said: He hasn’t hit on every assistant but Frazier has been a very solid hire so far, with a few hiccups related to play calling early this season notwithstanding. Frazier was so solid that McCoach took defensive play calling away from him early in the season. 10 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: As a first time DC coach I would assume it’s not that easy to field the offensive side of the ball when other coaches may be reluctant to join in. Now after 2 years of mediocre OL play and and poor STs he decided to go another way. Coaches are networking with other coaches all the time in the NFL. By the time a defensive guy becomes a HC, they have people in mind for offensive coaching positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 hours ago, Elite Poster said: What are the other right moves? Poyer and Hyde? Jury is still out on Allen, he looks promising. Two LBs that went after Edmunds have been just as good if not better. Trading up there was dumb. Trading up for Zay was dumb, Kupp and Juju went after. You never trade up for a non-QB. Now watch Robiskie get moved to WR coach and us get a REAL QB coach. "Calculated". The only thing these guys really "did" was get a lucky playoff berth. We get blown out at a ridiculous rate and that has to stop. Our top ranked D really only performed well against bad teams and against a clearly declining Brady. If Allen busts, they are toast. I’ve read all your posts in this thread and I don’t understand how someone can be so committed to hating everything our franchise does. You seem to have a problem with everything, no matter what it is. Fans around here seem to be happy with a lot of what’s going on. Maybe you should give it a try. Cheer up emo kid. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Frazier was so solid that McCoach took defensive play calling away from him early in the season. Coaches are networking with other coaches all the time in the NFL. By the time a defensive guy becomes a HC, they have people in mind for offensive coaching positions. yes Crossman, Dennison, Robieski, Castillo, Fraiser isn't good. McDermott needs to do a way better with his coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: He didn’t say rehire, he said hire. Retain and hire don’t mean the same thing. Rehire and retain are closer in meaning. You are twisting words. Who’s playing semantics? The definition of hire. McDermott had not hired him previously. And to hire someone does not exclude any previous hiring. You are the one that used the word rehire, not the poster. Definition of hire transitive verb 1a : to engage the personal services of for a set sum - hire a crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Frazier was so solid that McCoach took defensive play calling away from him early in the season. And I acknowledged that. Not sure what you’re adding here that I didn’t say. Overall Frazier has been a very good hire. The defense’s play reflects that. 21 minutes ago, simpleman said: The definition of hire. McDermott had not hired him previously. And to hire someone does not exclude any previous hiring. You are the one that used the word rehire, not the poster. Definition of hire transitive verb 1a : to engage the personal services of for a set sum - hire a crew If your boss quits and your company finds a replacement are you “hired” again? Staying true to your handle I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Crossman, Castillo and Robiskie were let go. The anti and pro McDermott/Beane crowds are posting in line with their opinions. If I was asked at the end of the season that 2 positional coaches and 1 coordinator were being released and to submit a list of who they would be...................it would be those 3. Why is anyone surprised? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Kind of strange to see all the praise for McDermott for these firings when it was his call to have them all here for the last 2 years. It took him way too long to see that this needed to happen and puts his abilities to evaluate coaching talent into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 It's about time. Special teams is improved already as long as they don't bring back Ronnie Jones ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Crossman, Castillo and Robiskie were let go. The anti and pro McDermott/Beane crowds are posting in line with their opinions. If I was asked at the end of the season that 2 positional coaches and 1 coordinator were being released and to submit a list of who they would be...................it would be those 3. Why is anyone surprised? ..UBER ride for Crossman, Castillo and Robiskie............adios...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Read the first comment on this tweet from Jerome Felton ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 hours ago, BillsVet said: Frazier was so solid that McCoach took defensive play calling away from him early in the season. Coaches are networking with other coaches all the time in the NFL. By the time a defensive guy becomes a HC, they have people in mind for offensive coaching positions. McDermott took them away for one game, after that frazier was calling a different game. That was a great move by McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 One name.....Mark Pike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 10 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Kind of strange to see all the praise for McDermott for these firings when it was his call to have them all here for the last 2 years. It took him way too long to see that this needed to happen and puts his abilities to evaluate coaching talent into question. 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: It's pretty comical actually. The amount of praise this regime has gotten around here for a two year record of 15-17 is crazy. They look to be on the upswing and Allen looks to as well, but they got their asses handed to them by playoff teams this year. The games weren't even close. Need a big influx of talent. They obviously have the cap space.... but so does just about every other team in the league. It can be very flexible. Talk about two guys who absolutely don’t get it. McD fired his OC after one season, and allowed the other coaches time — during an obvious but un-admitted rebuild. Now he’s making appropriate changes. And amidst all of this, he has changed the culture and earned rave reviews from players and coaches alike. Yeah, you two knuckleheads know better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Ok, yes he is gone. Good I guess. Now get some better players that actually can cover kicks, stay on sides on a kickoff, block better on FG's, hold a FG snap properly, return a kick, field a punt, and punt the dam ball to flip field. The best ST's we ever had always made sure we used talented players and rostered players specifically for ST. Edited January 5, 2019 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 making good moves in coaching staff hopefully player personnel next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: making good moves in coaching staff hopefully player personnel next Plenty of time for that free agency doesnt begin for a while. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Beane knows what he’s doing...I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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