Nextmanup Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The torch and pitchfork crowd must be happy. Folks around here have been calling for Crossman's head all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Three firings. That should appease those savages over at TSW. Having said that One: I take no joy in the thought of three families being uprooted and/or faced with uncertainty Having said that Two: My empathy with the families is tempered by the fact the Asst Coaches make a pretty good living and understand firings and moving on are part of the job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 C'mon guys. He was the World Bowl MVP. Show some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Anytime you don't get results you can expect to get axed. Special teams were terrible all year long in almost every facet of special teams. Yes, they had several personnel changes but not any better results. If anything, they were worse as the year progressed. Crossman could have been let go when McDermott came on board. Im not sure why he stayed as long as he did. I think what did Castillo in, was him vouching for Ducasse who was a disaster. Also, who improved this year on the oline? Not one guy. Maybe Teller but I'm not sure. Robiskie who knows? But his unit was terrible as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Intersting. Beane puts 6-10 on him and part of the plan. Then three coaches get fired. Guess Terry isn’t as patient. Since Beane has no direct connection to the way players are being coached or the way players are playing, when he takes responbsibility for the product on the field, it has to be a personnel issue for him, but process of elimination. In other words, "I hired the wrong people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I didn't think McD had it in him to get rid of both Castillo and Crossman. He proved me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 What bothers me is this is a Dough Whaley, Rex Ryan type of an off season so far. Prove me wrong and make a few high quality hires to help entice FA to come here. Move fast... this should have been planned out months ago with the list of hires ready and their agents contacted showing interest months ago. That is not tampering, all teams do it. "Hey we maybe making some coaching changes at the end of the year, are any of your clients interested in Buffalo?" Agents know how to read between the lines. If this was not happening.. that is bad and it shows McBean did not plan for this firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Wouldn't mind bringing in the Jets ST coach. Jets are supposedly one of the least penalized teams on ST and I can't stand those penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Heitz said: Love the selfie! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: As bad as Castillo was I think Crossman should have gone first... These moves needed to be made if the team wanted to compete for a division title this year. Good to see McD is not sitting on his hands. Now to find some quality replacements who know what they are doing. Why does the order matter at all. Maybe they sat with the offensive staff first and reviewed each position. The nice thing is they are reviewing and going over every aspect of the team and are trying to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No idea who should replace him but It’s most likely an upgrade for our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Intersting. Beane puts 6-10 on him and part of the plan. Then three coaches get fired. Guess Terry isn’t as patient. This has nothing to do with Terry. Both Beane and McDermott were pretty clear that 6-10 was not acceptable and they would look at all avenues to improve the team. Like most Bills fans, they obviously concluded that ST is one of the areas that requires a major improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Like many in this thread, I think this firing was necessary. Here's hoping for a better replacement - although honestly, how could it be much worse? ST lost the Bills several games this year on boneheaded stuff that could have been avoided with better coaching. I wish Crossman the best, but it was time for him to go. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, NewEra said: No idea who should replace him but It’s most likely an upgrade for our team Stay by your phone! Still an upgrade! You could probably Google how to do it better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Crossman was a good coach when the Bills had quality depth. He was a bum when the backups were bupkis. Funny how that works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The silence is deafening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Like many in this thread, I think this firing was necessary. Here's hoping for a better replacement - although honestly, how could it be much worse? ST lost the Bills several games this year on boneheaded stuff that could have been avoided with better coaching. I wish Crossman the best, but it was time for him to go. That’s an important point, there is no malice here (on my part, anyway)....but it was certainly time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Iraq Vet said: What bothers me is this is a Dough Whaley, Rex Ryan type of an off season so far. Prove me wrong and make a few high quality hires to help entice FA to come here. Move fast... this should have been planned out months ago with the list of hires ready and their agents contacted showing interest months ago. That is not tampering, all teams do it. "Hey we maybe making some coaching changes at the end of the year, are any of your clients interested in Buffalo?" Agents know how to read between the lines. If this was not happening.. that is bad and it shows McBean did not plan for this firing. You don’t think they have a plan in place? My guess based solely on how organized and detailed they are - they already have an idea of what they are looking for and then based upon the now fired HCs have a list of candidates. I do not think anything done right now is not planned out as much as you can. You do not always get the exact result you want - as happened with the Dennison decision as he had another guy in mind that chose another position instead, but you plan for as many contingencies as possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Stay by your phone! Still an upgrade! You could probably Google how to do it better. For real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Crossman was a good coach when the Bills had quality depth. He was a bum when the backups were bupkis. Funny how that works... ST coaches also get input on what players to keep on the roster based on special teams needs. He is responsible for coaching the players he has. ST was a debacle this year in terms of coverage and return. I do not put the punting issues or late season kicker issue on him, but damn, their coverage and return teams were an adventure all year. Time to go in a new direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Intersting. Beane puts 6-10 on him and part of the plan. Then three coaches get fired. Guess Terry isn’t as patient. Every solid executive is going to put shortcomings and failures on themselves- should he have atood up there and played the blame game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: HIRE STEVE TASKER! I support this only for the reason so I don't have to listen to him on the one bills live show anymore he is terrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, FLFan said: He is responsible for coaching the players he has. And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Every solid executive is going to put shortcomings and failures on themselves- should he have atood up there and played the blame game? Don’t get me wrong. I like the switch up with coaches. What I found intersting is that Beane really sold me on the poor 6-10 was part of the plan due to salary cap restrictions and limited talent. I was really worried he believed that and everyone was going to get a pass on 2018. Man this place is filled with thin skinned vipers yeah? If it’s not 100% obvious gushing you really get the horns. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan1988 said: Yea specially Jon Murphy he sucks, lol He has really worn on me- you can tell at times Tasker is fed up with him too! I think Murphy does a nice job in game but the show stinks. 6 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Don’t get me wrong. I like the switch up with coaches. What I found intersting is that Beane really sold me on the poor 6-10 was part of the plan due to salary cap restrictions and limited talent. I was really worried he believed that and everyone was going to get a pass on 2018. Man this place is filled with thin skinned vipers yeah? If it’s not 100% obvious gushing you really get the horns. ? I hear what you are saying Think of it this way- ST’s probably cost the Bills 2 games- if the regime was expecting a poor season and the results were exceeded by good play in other areas why not still correct the areas of weakenss- i.e OL and ST. Edited January 3, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... I do not agree. Like anything that is a skill that can be taught. I simply do not buy the argument that the Bills talent level was so poor that they were worse at this than virtually every other team. You do not need the second coming of Steve Tasker to be at least effective at this element of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, Augie said: Sometimes it may not be so much of a mistake as what better option existed at the time. I’m not saying that was the case with Crossman, as he’s been around a long time through different regimes, but sometimes (especially with a whole new staff) you just can’t get your first choice, so you hope for the best with somebody else. Kinda like women ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... There was more than enough talent on this team for kick coverage. It is not rocket science. It was, indeed, bad coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... He sucked for many many years. This dates back to before he even got here. He had good results under Marrone once or twice when he got a bunch of all stars. He should be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FLFan said: I do not agree. Like anything that is a skill that can be taught. I simply do not buy the argument that the Bills talent level was so poor that they were worse at this than virtually every other team. You do not need the second coming of Steve Tasker to be at least effective at this element of the game. He has an agenda. A good portion of his posts are in regards to his misperception of McBeane incompetence. Sorta like Scotty Law Edited January 3, 2019 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: You're consistent in your disdain for Beane and McDermott, almost to the point of weirdness. What is it you're trying to communicate here? Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Who we fire isn't the really important thing. It's who we hire. I'm confident that there guys out there better than Robiskie, Crossman, and Castillo. But is that who'll end up with? As of right now, we don't know if we've upgraded any of these coaching positions or - god forbid - downgraded. I'm interested in the next steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: He has really worn on me- you can tell at times Tasker is fed up with him too! I think Murphy does a nice job in game but the show stinks. I hear what you are saying Think of it this way- ST’s probably cost the Bills 2 games- if the regime was expecting a poor season and the results were exceeded by good play in other areas why not still correct the areas of weakenss- i.e OL and ST. That would account for OL and ST like you say...but then WR Coach got a raw deal. IF we are to believe Beane. You can’t say the Bills have no talent at WR and Allen’s near sub 50% is on WR who can’t catch or get open and then turn around and fire the WR Coach. Buffalo WR were 6th in the league in separation this season BTW. Regardless though, I like trying to get better. I don’t like “Spin Talk”. Just pick one and have some conviction. Dont use lack of talent as an excuse in some areas and then ignore it in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: HIRE STEVE TASKER! He already works for Pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 For those who are concerned for Danny, it is all about pivoting from complacency to accountability. The Bills Special Teams unit was dead last folks. What message would it send if you jettison coaches saying they are not getting it done, yet keep one whose unit finished dead last in the standings? Sure Danny may have been dealt a less than stellar deck of players for Special Teams, but the NFL is chuck full of talent parody and ST units fluctuate all the time and what you expect is perhaps some poor play early on but through solid mentoring, coaching, and practice you should see some indication of improvement game by game in the unit. What we saw were the same kind of execution miscues and mistakes week in and week out and overall a pretty inconsistent performance. I am also not sure how much input Danny had on the kickers and punters who were brought in or let go... Also, when you think about teams like NE that draft near the bottom each year and do not always get a shot at the best talent, yet Belichick would never had tolerated the level of incompetence shown by the Bill's ST unit this year - if Danny were on his staff do you think he would have lasted through the whole year? I know folks probably do not like bringing up the Pats, but like it or not the road to the AFC East goes through NE, and if we are ever going to beat that @#!%% team OBD is going to have to run a tight ship that fields competent units - they do not all have to be top 10, but none of them should be dead last. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He already works for Pegs. I'm pretty sure he already said that he had no interest in coaching also. Edited January 3, 2019 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: That would account for OL and ST like you say...but then WR Coach got a raw deal. IF we are to believe Beane. You can’t say the Bills have no talent at WR and Allen’s near sub 50% is on WR who can’t catch or get open and then turn around and fire the WR Coach. Buffalo WR were 6th in the league in separation this season BTW. Regardless though, I like trying to get better. I don’t like “Spin Talk”. Just pick one and have some conviction. Dont use lack of talent as an excuse in some areas and then ignore it in others. I think alot of us are baffled by the WR coordinator getting canned- maybe one of his missions was to fix Benjamin? Maybe early on he didnt assess Foster correctly- who knows but I found it odd as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: Now just cut Chris Kelsay and we can all breathe a sigh of relief! Don't forget Josh Reed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, ILBillsfan said: Don't forget Josh Reed! I heard that dude is ***** crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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