FLFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Crossman was a good coach when the Bills had quality depth. He was a bum when the backups were bupkis. Funny how that works... ST coaches also get input on what players to keep on the roster based on special teams needs. He is responsible for coaching the players he has. ST was a debacle this year in terms of coverage and return. I do not put the punting issues or late season kicker issue on him, but damn, their coverage and return teams were an adventure all year. Time to go in a new direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Intersting. Beane puts 6-10 on him and part of the plan. Then three coaches get fired. Guess Terry isn’t as patient. Every solid executive is going to put shortcomings and failures on themselves- should he have atood up there and played the blame game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: HIRE STEVE TASKER! I support this only for the reason so I don't have to listen to him on the one bills live show anymore he is terrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, FLFan said: He is responsible for coaching the players he has. And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Every solid executive is going to put shortcomings and failures on themselves- should he have atood up there and played the blame game? Don’t get me wrong. I like the switch up with coaches. What I found intersting is that Beane really sold me on the poor 6-10 was part of the plan due to salary cap restrictions and limited talent. I was really worried he believed that and everyone was going to get a pass on 2018. Man this place is filled with thin skinned vipers yeah? If it’s not 100% obvious gushing you really get the horns. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan1988 said: Yea specially Jon Murphy he sucks, lol He has really worn on me- you can tell at times Tasker is fed up with him too! I think Murphy does a nice job in game but the show stinks. 6 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Don’t get me wrong. I like the switch up with coaches. What I found intersting is that Beane really sold me on the poor 6-10 was part of the plan due to salary cap restrictions and limited talent. I was really worried he believed that and everyone was going to get a pass on 2018. Man this place is filled with thin skinned vipers yeah? If it’s not 100% obvious gushing you really get the horns. ? I hear what you are saying Think of it this way- ST’s probably cost the Bills 2 games- if the regime was expecting a poor season and the results were exceeded by good play in other areas why not still correct the areas of weakenss- i.e OL and ST. Edited January 3, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... I do not agree. Like anything that is a skill that can be taught. I simply do not buy the argument that the Bills talent level was so poor that they were worse at this than virtually every other team. You do not need the second coming of Steve Tasker to be at least effective at this element of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, Augie said: Sometimes it may not be so much of a mistake as what better option existed at the time. I’m not saying that was the case with Crossman, as he’s been around a long time through different regimes, but sometimes (especially with a whole new staff) you just can’t get your first choice, so you hope for the best with somebody else. Kinda like women ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... There was more than enough talent on this team for kick coverage. It is not rocket science. It was, indeed, bad coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lurker said: And like the OL, the coverage teams were crap because of a serious lack of talent. No amount of coaching can patch that kind of hole... He sucked for many many years. This dates back to before he even got here. He had good results under Marrone once or twice when he got a bunch of all stars. He should be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FLFan said: I do not agree. Like anything that is a skill that can be taught. I simply do not buy the argument that the Bills talent level was so poor that they were worse at this than virtually every other team. You do not need the second coming of Steve Tasker to be at least effective at this element of the game. He has an agenda. A good portion of his posts are in regards to his misperception of McBeane incompetence. Sorta like Scotty Law Edited January 3, 2019 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: You're consistent in your disdain for Beane and McDermott, almost to the point of weirdness. What is it you're trying to communicate here? Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Who we fire isn't the really important thing. It's who we hire. I'm confident that there guys out there better than Robiskie, Crossman, and Castillo. But is that who'll end up with? As of right now, we don't know if we've upgraded any of these coaching positions or - god forbid - downgraded. I'm interested in the next steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: He has really worn on me- you can tell at times Tasker is fed up with him too! I think Murphy does a nice job in game but the show stinks. I hear what you are saying Think of it this way- ST’s probably cost the Bills 2 games- if the regime was expecting a poor season and the results were exceeded by good play in other areas why not still correct the areas of weakenss- i.e OL and ST. That would account for OL and ST like you say...but then WR Coach got a raw deal. IF we are to believe Beane. You can’t say the Bills have no talent at WR and Allen’s near sub 50% is on WR who can’t catch or get open and then turn around and fire the WR Coach. Buffalo WR were 6th in the league in separation this season BTW. Regardless though, I like trying to get better. I don’t like “Spin Talk”. Just pick one and have some conviction. Dont use lack of talent as an excuse in some areas and then ignore it in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: HIRE STEVE TASKER! He already works for Pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 For those who are concerned for Danny, it is all about pivoting from complacency to accountability. The Bills Special Teams unit was dead last folks. What message would it send if you jettison coaches saying they are not getting it done, yet keep one whose unit finished dead last in the standings? Sure Danny may have been dealt a less than stellar deck of players for Special Teams, but the NFL is chuck full of talent parody and ST units fluctuate all the time and what you expect is perhaps some poor play early on but through solid mentoring, coaching, and practice you should see some indication of improvement game by game in the unit. What we saw were the same kind of execution miscues and mistakes week in and week out and overall a pretty inconsistent performance. I am also not sure how much input Danny had on the kickers and punters who were brought in or let go... Also, when you think about teams like NE that draft near the bottom each year and do not always get a shot at the best talent, yet Belichick would never had tolerated the level of incompetence shown by the Bill's ST unit this year - if Danny were on his staff do you think he would have lasted through the whole year? I know folks probably do not like bringing up the Pats, but like it or not the road to the AFC East goes through NE, and if we are ever going to beat that @#!%% team OBD is going to have to run a tight ship that fields competent units - they do not all have to be top 10, but none of them should be dead last. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He already works for Pegs. I'm pretty sure he already said that he had no interest in coaching also. Edited January 3, 2019 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: That would account for OL and ST like you say...but then WR Coach got a raw deal. IF we are to believe Beane. You can’t say the Bills have no talent at WR and Allen’s near sub 50% is on WR who can’t catch or get open and then turn around and fire the WR Coach. Buffalo WR were 6th in the league in separation this season BTW. Regardless though, I like trying to get better. I don’t like “Spin Talk”. Just pick one and have some conviction. Dont use lack of talent as an excuse in some areas and then ignore it in others. I think alot of us are baffled by the WR coordinator getting canned- maybe one of his missions was to fix Benjamin? Maybe early on he didnt assess Foster correctly- who knows but I found it odd as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: Now just cut Chris Kelsay and we can all breathe a sigh of relief! Don't forget Josh Reed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, ILBillsfan said: Don't forget Josh Reed! I heard that dude is ***** crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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