Victory Formation Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Give me a guy that's hungry. I'd like to see Croom stick around and I hope we draft a guy in the 3rd-4th round. Clay is old, often injured and non productive and expensive at the same time. Don't care about the cap, cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 A failure of a FA acquisition. Counting down the days when the cap hit isn't so prohibitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Give me a guy that's hungry. I'd like to see Croom stick around and I hope we draft a guy in the 3rd-4th round. Clay is old, often injured and non productive and expensive at the same time. Don't care about the cap, cut him. Karlos Williams was hungry. I think KB was in the offseason too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: Unlike WR, there should be some good options available at TE in free agency. It wouldn't shock me to see us pick up 2 and roll with them and Croom. I would love to be able to pick up a high quality TE in FA like the Bears did with Trey Burton last year. Eagles already has Ertz so weren’t paying Burton. Any situations like that this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...pretty sure 2019 is the first feasible year to dump him with lessened cap implications....designate him post June 1 and spread it over two years.... Next year is his last under contract so you have to take the whole hit then. $4.5M if he’s not on the team. An extra $4.5M for him to play. It’ll probably make sense to keep him while looking for (drafting) his replacement and bringing that player along, but no matter what I don’t want to see him off the team until he’s adequately replaced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 His production or lack of for his price hasn't been worth it. He's been plagued by knee/hip issues. 2019 is the first year it's both financially sensible and they have an upcoming replacement in Croom. Would like to see them draft one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would love to be able to pick up a high quality TE in FA like the Bears did with Trey Burton last year. Eagles already has Ertz so weren’t paying Burton. Any situations like that this year? Pittsburgh has Vance McDonald and Jesse James (UFA) Baltimore has Mark Andrews (R), Hayden Hurst (R), Maxx Williams (UFA), and Nick Boyle (UFA) Philly has Ertz and Richard Rodgers (UFA) Oakland has Jared Cook (UFA) and is rebuilding in general Green Bay has Jimmy Graham and Lance Kendricks (UFA) Detroit may not bring back Luke Wilson (UFA) as he has not been their most productive TE this year. Cincy has Tyler Eifert (UFA) and Tyler Kroft (UFA) Chicago has Trey Burton and Zach Miller (UFA) TL:DR - Eff Charles Clay Edited November 21, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 Bolded for easy reading 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, berg1029 said: cutting o'leary was a big mistake, imo. he was sure handed and reliable BAMM!!! 100% right! i check the fins every now and then hoping he goes to the practice squad for some reason. i hope they keep that last spot open! Edited November 21, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTLBills Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Bills need a run blocking TE with upside as a receiver to aid in the run game. Not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 The TE class is REALLY deep this year. I'd bring Croom back, Logan Thomas, and a rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Oh hes effin history. Croom is nice. Need some new blood there but he and Logan are the new breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 It’s time to move on. He appears to be an albatross. Even with all those who said positive things here, this O needs much more production from our TE’s and he doesn’t appear able to bring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 No. Look to the draft for weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: I think TE is a huge underrated need for next year. I wouldn't mind taking one in the top 2 rounds, admittedly I don't know what the prospects look like this year. I would go into next season with Croom, a rookie, and bring in competition for Logan Thomas. How about Nick Oleary...who found a job in Miami pretty d.. quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would love to be able to pick up a high quality TE in FA like the Bears did with Trey Burton last year. Eagles already has Ertz so weren’t paying Burton. Any situations like that this year? Jessie James is there with McDonald in Pitt. Kroft and Eifert are both FAs in Cinci. I know most want us to figure out a way to get a true #1 WR, but I could see us loading up on a couple legit TEs and making them the focus of the passing game next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Tyler Kroft at the right price would definitely be of interest. They are not going to pay him and Eifert and I think Kroft is as close to a dual TE who can block and run routes as you can get on that list. Him, rookie and Croom I could live with. If Logan Thomas is on this team again next year I want everyone fired. McDermott, Beane, Pegula, the receptionist, the tea lady, the equipment guy, Ralph Wilson's statue.... all of them. He sucks. Not just a bit. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: He seems worse this year - constantly hobbled and not able or willing to fight for the few targets he gets - and has a look on his face like his body is in steep decline and he can’t understand it - it’s called aging, some athletes fall off a cliff early, he seems shot to me. Could be wrong. Watch out for Sternberger from Texas A&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Yet another overpaid disappointment of a player from the last few years. Him, Dareus, KB, have never performed at any level close to what they should have. Watching Kelce gash the Rams on MNF just shows how an effective TE can make all the difference. Clay is hurt too much and too ineffective to be paid what he has been. Just like Colonel Kurtz, Clay's career in Buffalo should be terminated "with extreme prejudice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 There has to be a better TE out there. For someone who has been in the league so long, it always amazes me how he often appears like he's never seen a football thrown at him. He's slow, not a great blocker, injury prone, and susceptible to drops. Not sure why we'd want someone like this back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MTLBills said: Bills need a run blocking TE with upside as a receiver to aid in the run game. Not the other way around. I think that guy is Maxx Williams, and I think he will be cheap. He's just 24 years old, turns 25 in April. Baltimore's Nick Boyle is interesting as well. I also like Jesse James who got buried a bit behind Vance McDonald. I say we we get one of the Ravens and James, the former Penn Stater. Another guy who is sitting out there right now is Troy Niklas and I really don't understand why he is on the couch. He has athletic upside as both a blocker and receiver. Edited November 21, 2018 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I like Chuck Clay but his injuries are always an issue. Seemed like he would usually play on Sundays whether he practiced a lot or not but looks like he might miss another game. He’s a Whaley guy... think he’s gone? Another over paid free agent mistake. Never made a difference. Gone in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more useless everyday 8 mill dollar a year player. During his tenure, he’s never had adequate backups to compete with and still never finds a way to make an impact. Seems like a nice guy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Tight end is a position that has seen an increase in importance lately. Big, strong, always open because of his size. Can block if necessary. A safe space for millennial quarterbacks. Clay doesn’t really have the impact of a really good tight end, and he is never 100% healthy. He seems like a good guy. I would keep him for leadership if his cap hit is manageable, but if there is any concern with money, I’d cut him and save the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Highly unlikely imo. Damaged goods when brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: Gone ......agree.....take the dead cap and fill the roster spot with some healthy production............ Potential Out: 2019, 4 yr, $33,500,000; $4,500,000 dead cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......agree.....take the dead cap and fill the roster spot with some healthy production............ Potential Out: 2019, 4 yr, $33,500,000; $4,500,000 dead cap I think he's a good player....usually gets open but just not enough production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 It's time to move on. The day we were glued to the flight tracker when he arrived in Buffalo will always be a TSW highlight for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I dont think there is a chance in hell he will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakingfane Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 7 hours ago, KW95 said: And once again, here we have a boatload of board members in love with a player who has had 2-3 great games in his stint in Buffalo. They say Misery loves company, Bills have built a factory and make misery! Frustrated Incorporated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, bigK14094 said: How about Nick Oleary...who found a job in Miami pretty d.. quick! Nick O'Leary is the same as Jason Croom. That isn't a solution. There is a TE coming out of Alabama this year, projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round. Just for the familiarity with Daboll I could see us drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 trade clay for nothing to avoid cap/dead cap hit, and sign Jesse James. James and Croom should make a nice pair, esp. for a young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: trade clay for nothing to avoid cap/dead cap hit, and sign Jesse James. James and Croom should make a nice pair, esp. for a young QB. There's no financial difference between trading Clay and releasing him. Also, pre-6/1 and post-6/1 makes no difference either. Edited November 21, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 He gone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Agree 100%. He was never worth the contract the Bills signed him to which, at the time of the Bills taking up the option at the start of his second year which converted salary into guaranteed bonus cash spread out for cap purposes, was the highest % guaranteed money for anyone in the league that wasn't a Quarterback on a rookie deal. But his play has declined in a big way this year. It costs the Bills $4.5m dead money to get out after this season, but it costs them an extra $4.5m to keep a player who seems unable to contribute any longer on the team. It is the same as my Trent Murphy argument. To cut him and Clay is a combined $8m in dead cap on the 2019 books. To pay them both though is a combined $17.5m..... you better be sure that you are getting some value and contributions for that extra $9.5m. Somebody gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 No chance hes on the roster next year. Hes the definition of replacement level and he gets paid like hes a top 5 TE in the league. Add on his injuries and his age and hes a sure fire offseason cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Clay will not be on the 2019 Bills roster. 15 hours ago, berg1029 said: cutting o'leary was a big mistake, imo. he was sure handed and reliable I liked O’Leary as well for the same reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 If this is the year he can be let go without the cap hit, do it. He’s very capable, but he’s disappeared on this team. Not worth the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 What is it with the O'Leary fascination? I think he got himself cut with that preseason reception where he turned upfield and started sprinting like he was stuck in the mud. Just a very meh player with zero speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: If this is the year he can be let go without the cap hit, do it. He’s very capable, but he’s disappeared on this team. Not worth the money He has a 2019 dead cap hit of $4.5M whether he's traded or released prior to the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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