Is our offensive roster good now?

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

 

Based upon the last 2 off seasons with McDermott (1 with Beane),  I expect in FA they will look to add additional pieces at center, guard, WR, and TE with mid level guys to allow the draft to be more of a BPA as much as possible.  

 

I expect they will analyze where they are falling in the draft and a group of eligible players in that area and make some choices in FA, but everything I have seen in the 2 years suggests they will try to address as many open spots as possible with mid level NFL guys and then not be forced to take any one position in the draft allowing them a bit of flexibility.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

I'd switch RB and TE, but other than that I completely agree.

 

We can get by with Mills at RT if the other positions are addressed. We've done it for years now...etc 

Let Mills walk and sign JuWan James who is a better player and it also hurts an AFC rival.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

We need in order: 
WR1  (Rd 1)

RG and C (Rd 2)

TE1 (Rd 2 or 3) 

RB1 (Rd2-4)

C or RG (whichever not addressed before)

 

Draft either OLB or CB if we can't get a top one signed in FA.

 

FA

OLB

EDGE/DE (pass rusher)

DT

CB

 

This changes if Allen doesn't show promise. Then it's Barkley time and an FA Vet with another QB in Rds 3-4 to develop.

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by BillsRdue

[Lurker]

No.   No it is not...

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

No!

What he said

[Bfanlc]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread. The only reason I clicked on it was because there were only two pages so far. While all the other threads have 10 plus pages rehashing the same stuff. I'm hoping you guys enjoy my noncontribution.

[vorpma]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Absolutely not.

 

But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year.

 

Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one).

I'm about done with Clay!

[longtimebillsfan]

I think what the Jets game showed us is that if we have a quarterback that can play at an average NFL qb level, our talent on offense can be better than we thought.  Yes, we do need upgrades at wr, and the oline, but we may have underestimated this group's abilities. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

You're okay with Mills?  How so?  You don't go very far without a really solid OL and ours has been nowhere near that.

 

There's no way we are going to upgrade 3 positions on the oline in one off-season. Mills is serviceable.

 

And in case you haven't noticed, oline is a problem all around the league. That means every team is trying to upgrade, making it even harder to address it.

 

If you have 5 quality starters on the line, you have the best oline in the league, probably. Pretty much every line has holes, even in the good teams.

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Let Mills walk and sign JuWan James who is a better player and it also hurts an AFC rival.

 

Everyone is looking for linemen. The Bills aren't going to be able to sign all of the good ones. Other teams are going to be competing for them.

[RocCityRoller]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

NO!

 

C, G, RT, WR1, WR2, RB, TE that about sums it up.

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

There's no way we are going to upgrade 3 positions on the oline in one off-season. Mills is serviceable.

 

 

 

I don't see why they couldn't try??

 

What else are they spending the $80Mil on?

 

Could see them Drafting OL high and signing two decent others in FA...

 

Quote

If you have 5 quality starters on the line, you have the best oline in the league, probably. Pretty much every line has holes, even in the good teams

 

They will probably have Dawkins and Teller starting next year and paying them $1.5 Mil between the two of them...

Edited November 13, 2018 by Aussie Joe

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I don't see why they couldn't try??

 

What else are they spending the $80Mil on?

 

Could see them Drafting OL high and signing two decent others in FA...

 

They will probably have Dawkins and Teller starting next year any paying them $1.5 Mil between the two of them...

 

It's not just about the money. It's about supply. There aren't enough good olinemen to go around. If the Bills sign two decent ones to upgrade, that's a huge win. They can try to draft another couple and hope one of them pans out.

[GreggTX]

On offense, I want a stud LT (Move Dawkins to RT.) and a speed WR with more than just speed. I haven't given up on Kelvin Benjaman yet. He's still a #2, but it's not ridiculous to think he could rebound next year. Also, we must get a big upgrade at C andopen some competition at WR and TE. Some think Clay is terrible. He's not at all, but he'll never be another Gronk or Ertz. McCoy will be fine with more talent around him, but I'd like to get a power back as our #1 when we move on.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, MJS said:

 

It's not just about the money. It's about supply. There aren't enough good olinemen to go around. If the Bills sign two decent ones to upgrade, that's a huge win. They can try to draft another couple and hope one of them pans out.

 

I think the key word is "upgrade"...

 

The current level is not too high at C and RG...

 

They have picked Dawkins and Teller relatively late so maybe they have someone in their scouting department that knows what they are doing...Maybe they could find another gem at the top of the 2nd or higher..

[CincyBillsFan]

 I think the answer to the threads question is a resounding NO.  The Jet's looked to much like a team playing in their 4th pre-season game for us to read to much into the result. 

 

It is fair to say that the offense showed improvement Sunday and that's a good thing.  But I have a nagging concern that we saw a Jet's defense tanking after the loss of their rookie QB.  Am I the only one that thought the Jet's D looked a little like ours did against Indy?  Let's face it the Indy game was the Buffalo defenses worst game IMO and at times they didn't seem to be trying very hard.  

[fansince88]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The talent is not top 25 on offense in the NFL.  I will say they have have some complementary pieces now.  Mitchell could fit a Tarik Cohen type role.  Match up nightmare and stretch the defense horizontally.  Foster flashed the ability to stretch the defense deep.  Zay looks like the best underneath Wr.  Benjamin drops big plays every week.  He plays football like he is 6-1.  For his size he is not winning 1 on 1 jump balls.  The offense should be able to move the ball and pick up first downs.  They have no margin for error.  If they catch balls they are ok.  A few drops will kill drives.

I dont totally agree with this. He does win them he just doesnt maintain possession to the ground.

[LABILLBACKER]

Draft Marquise Brown, CeeDee Lamb and Caleb Wilson and it will be....

[GunnerBill]

Nope. It is still bad. Though clearly having Teller and Barkley in and some speed on the field in Foster and McKenzie helped. 

[billsfan89]

Lets assume the best case scenario here and say that Zay Jones is a solid slot receiver (lets assume his play continues to be stronger over the last 6 games of the season) and lets assume that Wyatt Teller is a really good guard (once again if he plays well over the next 6 games you can feel more confident in that) there still exists a lot of holes on the offense. 

 

The team needs 2 WR's and a tight end of the future. The team needs 3 starters on the offensive line (C, RG, and RT) and the team also needs a young RB behind Shady. That's 5 starters the team needs on offense plus some youth at older positions. That's a lot of help the team needs. I am hoping that they sign a capable vet WR like Golden Tate and draft at least two WR's in the first three rounds. Then I hope they invest heavily at C and RG in free agency and spend a high pick at RT. Then in the mid rounds where you have extra picks you can draft backups for Clay and Shady while still cherry picking some depth at defense. 

 

Bottom line is that if Teller and Zay look like viable pieces on offense that makes things better but it doesn't mean the team is just one or two pieces away from fielding a good offense around Allen. 

[Comebackkid]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yep size doesn't matter as much anymore for receivers. The rule changes have made it much easier to survive an NFL season. 10 years ago Tyreek Hill would have been destroyed but now defenders can't touch him until the ball is in his hands. I see Brown having a similar impact.

Zay says hi ??

[QuoteTheRaven83]

We beat the lowly Jets and our offense went from bad to good? LOL

 

You guys are funny. Let's see if we can do this against someone good.

[26CornerBlitz]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

QB is the elephant in the room.  Besides that C/G, 2 WRs, and TE really need to be upgraded in 2019. 

[Green Lightning]

5 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

The Bills beat one of the only teams that are worse than the Bills.

 

They still need

C

G

T

WR 1

WR 3

TE

QB* Jury still out

 

 

And a RB to groom behind Shady

[Bing Bong]

Not at all! We just signed Barkley and cut a few guys

[BeginnersMind]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Two WRs(one true number 1), C, RG, RT(keeping Mills wouldn't be the end of the world, but he is still a below average starter), a RB, and a TE(Clays on his last legs).

 

Bare minimum a number one WR, another solid starting WR, and a legit starting C, and RG. IMO. 

 

Agree. And you can find upgrades easily at all of these in the draft and through FA in a single year. They won't gel in a year but with exception of a good WR and maybe a good RT, none of those will cost a ton. 

 

This draft has good talent at tackle, guard, and WR assuming the Bills are in the top 12. Best player available will work just fine at positions of need. 

 

Hardest thing to find will be TE but a top TE is a unicorn anyways. 

Edited November 14, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[Nick the Greek]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I agree.  But what’s your list of offseason prioritiy?

 

Also agreed 

1) Improve the oline. They are the biggest liability. Allen can’t be running for his life every play.

2) we need a stud WR for Allen to throw to. A number 1.

3) RB is good. Oline will help there. 

[BeginnersMind]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure where they are getting the WRs from. Pretty poor FA class and I don't believe it's a strong draft for it either. They'll need to get creative and hopefully swing a trade. 

 

I see 4 WRs in the first round in 2019 mock drafts. I don't follow NCAA football but that indicates plenty of options. 

 

No problem trading down either if they get good compensation. 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

 

You say you are aware it’s only been one week... but are you?

Edited November 14, 2018 by NoSaint

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, fansince88 said:

I dont totally agree with this. He does win them he just doesnt maintain possession to the ground.

He is bottom half in the NFL in contested catches.  For a slow talk wr that's all he has. The plays he doesnt make the catch the defense wins.

Edited November 14, 2018 by Mat68

[Virgil]

33 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

 

You say you are aware it’s only been one week... but are you?

 

Hey, got to talk about something, right?

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

TE, RG,  #1 WR are the highest needs

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

It's nowhere near "good".  t's near the bottom of the NFL. A lot of teams have 3 WR's better than Zay on their roster right now and I would bet some might have 4.

[Flip Johnson]

It's not good yet.

 

I'd say we have 2 WRs we can bring back next year - Zay and Foster

 

We have 1-2 TEs - Croom and Thomas (who is UFA at the end of the year). It seems like time to cut bait with Clay if we can get out of his deal. Finding a versatile TE will not be easy - you can end up overpaying like we did for Clay. 

 

We only have the left side of the O-line in Dawkins and Teller. Maybe they talk themselves into one of the other 3 lineman, but we need at least 2 starters.

 

I am good with a Josh Allen/Barkley situation, although as Thad Lewis proved a backup QB can fall of the map in the offseason. 

 

I don't see much changing in the backfield and think Murphy could break out next year. 

[vincec]

Need serious WR and OL help. Plus probably TE as well. Even if Teller becomes a solid starter you still need at least a new starting center and another guard. A RT prospect wouldn't hurt either. I'm not too worried about RB. I think they have good depth there and can probably add someone decent during FA. Plus Daboll is obviously a pass oriented OC to begin with.

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

I don't know if RB would be a top need, just my theory but look at the Giants record and where they took Saquon in the draft. Not knocking the kids talent, but behind a bad line, on a team that cannot stretch the field and make you pay for man coverage, even a great back can be kept in check.

 

The reverse is true too, behind a good line on a team that can stretch the field, even an average RB can look great.

 

No idea what free agency will look like, but the pundits are saying the draft is deep for WR and O-Line so I would like to see an impact WR taken early. I am not big on taking linemen early in the 1st rd (still have nightmares of Mike Williams eating his way off the Bills roster and out of the league), but if there is a really good road-grader o-lineman later that can man either RG or RT spots grab-em as both of those could use upgrades/depth.

 

I am meh on our current roster of centers, and would not mind the Bills picking up a decent TE prospect or savvy vet if one is out there. Colts GM Ballard and Reich got a steal plucking Eric Ebron from Detroit and teaming him with Luck - results speak for themselves. I am pretty much over Clay - the guy has mad skills when on the field, just hurt as often as he plays and it seems like every season.

 

Depth at DB, and depth for DL...not getting the warm fuzzies that Trent Murphy can stay healthy and contribute and I know that Kyle is a competitor to his core, he is not getting any younger.

[PrimeTime101]

I don't have a crystal ball or anything but 3 times announcers mentioned Teller just bull rushing defensemen 5+ yards down the field on run plays. I do not have a crystal ball but I think Teller is a beast and having a stable LT LG C helps a lot. I think if I am Mc D. I keep pulling people off practice squads to work on the right side of the line.

Priorities right now? if it were offseason FA?

 

I would get that #1 FA WR and NOT through draft. we need a #1 now and we should draft one and have it be bust. Talent positions is where we should spend our FA money.

WR, DT, OLB in FA

 

Then draft R1 OL, R2 WR, R3 OL, R4 RB/TE

I see BPA thrown out there often but if we have to reach a little bit to shore up this offensive line? Then I am all for it.

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

 

It was the Jets. And a QB for the Bills nobody had any video on.

 

We still have the same needs. RT, RG and C are major needs, along with slot receiver. A couple of years ago, Clay was getting open all the time. I don't see that anymore, so unless Croom really gets better, TE could stand an upgrade as well.

 

If Teller continues looking good, that's one need met, IMHO. Other than that, still the same needs, I think.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

12 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

Still need a guard RT and probably center, really need a TE and a top WR. Need a RB but those guys are easy to find. It

 

It's good to see the new kids progressing.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[fansince88]

8 hours ago, Mat68 said:

He is bottom half in the NFL in contested catches.  For a slow talk wr that's all he has. The plays he doesnt make the catch the defense wins.

Exactly my point. only I was using sarcasm. 

[NewEra]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

We played the jets