co_springs_billsfan Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Is this like with Osweiler, they send us 2 1sts to unload the contact? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Is this like with Osweiler, they send us 2 1sts to unload the contact? I’m good with that. Take the picks for someone else’s money (sorry Pegs), unless Gruden is to coach our team in any way.Then I’m out! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: He will be 28 by the 2019 opener. Entering his prime years. He has a great arm and can run a bit too. Thoughts? If only we had someone like that on the roster on a massively cheaper contract... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) That sounds like a Cleveland-Esque move worse than Billsy to make. Would even Whaley cash in that many draft chips for a splash move with no long term plan—and hamstring our cap in the process? Edited November 2, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Is this a real thread? I hope not, even though I know this absurd question is most likely real. Is this what Nancy Reagan warmed us about in the 80’s? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, aceman_16 said: Dafrik?? Is this serious? Da'Rick is the proper spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 This guy must be an Oakland fan or perhaps Gruden himself. Schefter probably blocked his number trying to leak ridiculous trade proposals. 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: What a way to take a dump on the players he already has. "The guys you really want to play for the team" He's gone Gregg Williams. I'll tell you this, the Greg's always look down on Gregg's with two G's in the name kingdom. That's just how it works and Gregg with two G's has always been clearly compensating for having that second G. His parents were compensating before birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: He will be 28 by the 2019 opener. Entering his prime years. He has a great arm and can run a bit too. Thoughts? As much as I like Carr, I wouldn't. If we hadn't already dumped 2 draft's worth of maneuvering & picks into Allen I'd say yes. But seeing as how we are going to be a top 5 pick barring a miracle, I'd rather just draft another QB straight up & keep the rest of the picks. But if there's one thing we know about coaches it's that they will double down over & over rather than attempt to hedge their bets (when it comes to first round QB's they've drafted). Hell, I'd be happy if they drafted a QB every draft at this point. Anything to increase the odds that we luck into our franchise guy one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, BigDingus said: As much as I like Carr, I wouldn't. If we hadn't already dumped 2 draft's worth of maneuvering & picks into Allen I'd say yes. But seeing as how we are going to be a top 5 pick barring a miracle, I'd rather just draft another QB straight up & keep the rest of the picks. But if there's one thing we know about coaches it's that they will double down over & over rather than attempt to hedge their bets (when it comes to first round QB's they've drafted). Hell, I'd be happy if they drafted a QB every draft at this point. Anything to increase the odds that we luck into our franchise guy one day. I'm not opposed to it in theory. But you know, no chance they draft a QB in the first round next year? I don't mean that condescendingly or anything, it just won't happen. Btw great name and avatar. I don't know if I've ever complimented you on it, but I always laugh when I see Big Dingus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I wouldn't give it for all OAK roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not opposed to it in theory. But you know, no chance they draft a QB in the first round next year? I don't mean that condescendingly or anything, it just won't happen. Btw great name and avatar. I don't know if I've ever complimented you on it, but I always laugh when I see Big Dingus. ? I appreciate it. Been using this avatar for ages now (love Butters/Professor Chaos)! And yeah, I know there's no way we'd draft a QB in round 1 next season. That's why I think McDermott will just double down on Allen instead of hedging his bets. I'm not saying it's wrong to try to surround your young QB with good skill position players, but usually it comes at the expense of the line, and nothing really changes. It also rarely works out that some high profile WR or RB just comes in & elevates our QB to some great level. And whether it's Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans, Willis McGahee, CJ Spiller, Sammy Watkins, etc. it doesn't mean a damn thing if the QB isn't good and/or the line can't protect for s***. Just once, I'd like to see us spend several high picks on O-linemen, pay some good money on some FA linemen, and just build from there. At least our crappy QB's will have some time to throw, & our usually pretty talented RB's will have some production. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Just now, BigDingus said: ? I appreciate it. Been using this avatar for ages now (love Butters/Professor Chaos)! And yeah, I know there's no way we'd draft a QB in round 1 next season. That's why I think McDermott will just double down on Allen instead of hedging his bets. I'm not saying it's wrong to try to surround your young QB with good skill position players, but usually it comes at the expense of the line, and nothing really changes. It also rarely works out that some high profile WR or RB just comes in & elevates our QB to some great level. And whether it's Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans, Willis McGahee, CJ Spiller, Sammy Watkins, etc. it doesn't mean a damn thing if the QB isn't good and/or the line can't protect for s***. Just once, I'd like to see us spend several high picks on O-linemen, pay some good money on some FA linemen, and just build from there. At least our crappy QB's will have some time to throw, & our usually pretty talented RB's will have some production. I understand your point. Completely in agreement to an extent. They've spent on the Oline I believe Marv did it when they wheeled his old ass out as GM on Dockery and some other bum. Good Olinemen hit the market with out extenuating circumstances. You've gotta hit on them in the draft, which makes the Glenn trade maddening to me. So I think your point about drafting them high is the way to go. I also remember Mike William's. They've tried it all, it really is a crapshoot once you have the right mentality in place. That's where I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I understand your point. Completely in agreement to an extent. They've spent on the Oline I believe Marv did it when they wheeled his old ass out as GM on Dockery and some other bum. Good Olinemen hit the market with out extenuating circumstances. You've gotta hit on them in the draft, which makes the Glenn trade maddening to me. So I think your point about drafting them high is the way to go. I also remember Mike William's. They've tried it all, it really is a crapshoot once you have the right mentality in place. That's where I'm concerned. Mike Williams was so long ago, as was Dockery. They go for 1 guy every now & then, but ultimately rely on hand-me-downs, journeymen & late round guys they hope turn out. We had a pretty decent run-blocking O-line for a while, but it's never very balanced. O-line is one of those positions where I always feel like you can afford to invest in & improve. The year we went & got Levitre & Woods really seemed like we were heading that way. We weren't planning ahead though in recent years.... as we relied on an old (but playing well) Incognito who we were paying on the cheap, then ran into bad luck with Woods. Then we trade our LT out of all positions, and you see what we really have invested lately with what remained. We were content tredding water, and never wanted to fortify the group. We could've easily invested in another guard the past several years, signed an above average RT to balance the other side of the line. Every year I keep thinking they'll finally decide to draft a beast O-linemen that'll anchor our unit for years to come... the next Joe Thomas or Zach Martin or Alex Mack. It just seems that'll never be the case though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 They could very well cut Carr after this season as his dead cap goes from $32.4 million this season to just $7.5 million next year. They'd save 15 million in cap space next year. Then Jon Gruden could pick his guy in the upcoming draft which wouldn't surprise me at this point. He'd gain a lot of interest as a free agent and I can see the Giants being an attractive options with Barkley and Beckham Jr. on the roster. I could see the Broncos pushing for him to. Possibly the Jaguars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Hell No!? we have our QB just need the offense around him. Draft Will Grier in the 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 No. However, I could be talked into a 2019 2nd or 3rd & McCoy. But that's all I would spend on Carr. For the right price, I think it would be a smart move to get him for a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 hours ago, KD in CA said: I think you should stop taking drugs. or take better ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Let me guess....you're a Raiders fan who moved to Rochester and you think stealing Lamonica wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 6 hours ago, JM57 said: No, but I'd trade Josh Allen for him straight up. The way Gruden taking care a business there he might be like, nah you keep Allen, just gimme a 3rd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 NO. He's awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Are hits, injuries weighing on Derek Carr's mind? Paul Gutierrez ESPN Staff Writer -9/13/18 ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Remember when Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr was seen as a gunslinger in the mold of ultimate maverick Brett Favre? Carr, whose No. 4 jersey was inspired by Favre, never saw an eye of a needle he didn't want to thread. Never believed there was a throw he could not make. Never shied away from, well, gunning the ball into double or triple coverage. That was before the fractured pinkie on his passing hand. Before the fractured right fibula. Before the three broken bones in his back. Injuries all suffered within a 10-plus-month period from Nov. 27, 2016, to Oct. 1, 2017. Human nature being what it is, and given what can be perceived as conservative play, would you blame Carr if the injuries are weighing on his mind a tad? http://www.espn.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/21983/are-hits-injuries-weighing-on-derek-carrs-mind Edited November 2, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Steele Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Josh needs to learn from Gary Anderson he stepped up in the pocket and three for some good passing yards! I think Josh will be fine in time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: He will be 28 by the 2019 opener. Entering his prime years. He has a great arm and can run a bit too. Thoughts? NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Jim Steele said: Josh needs to learn from Gary Anderson he stepped up in the pocket and three for some good passing yards! I think Josh will be fine in time! Learn from Gary Anderson? Are we cutting Hauschka? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 His team has a worst record than us and he isnt putting points up. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Hahahahahahaha. Someone got into the liquor cabinet didn't they? 46 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Learn from Gary Anderson? Are we cutting Hauschka? He went to IR Edited November 2, 2018 by BigPappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: He will be 28 by the 2019 opener. Entering his prime years. He has a great arm and can run a bit too. Thoughts? Hell NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Utah John said: Let me guess....you're a Raiders fan who moved to Rochester and you think stealing Lamonica wasn't enough. The Lamonica era Raiders were a damn good football organization, despite Al Davis. This era's s*** show doesn't deserve mention as a viable and professional organization. * As for Carr? No, he cries. THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 David Carr right now might be the worst established starting QB in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Hahahahahahaha. Someone got into the liquor cabinet didn't they? He went to IR ...the OP??............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 YOU ARE ON CRACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 NO. I wouldn't even give up next years 2nd. I bet he goes somewhere for a 3rd or 4th because of that albatross contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 F### no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 That depends. Will the Raiders be willing to supply us with a lifetime supply of mascarra for him to wear? If not, I am only willing to give up a 7th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dollars 2 donuts Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yolo, come on, man...I am still laughing after 40 seconds! The internet just gives and gives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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