prissythecat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Straight up for Kiko, yo? I still remember the debate on the merits of the Kiko for Shady trade years back. Good times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Getting rid of McCoy and freeing up the cap space is a no brainer. It is not that big of a step down from McCoy to Murphy at this point in McCoy's career anyway. Bills need to add a guy like Gillislee for the remainder of this year, but what is the point in keeping an expensive running back around anyway? An extra 3rd or 4th rounder next year is all the Bills are going to get. Just trade him for a 4th rounder and free up the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, McBean said: After this press conference, IMO, McCoy is getting traded. No doubt about it. I agree... I think there is a strong chance the trade goes down today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 How many more games are the Bills going to win with McCoy as their running back instead of Murphy? The Bills beat the Vikings without McCoy anyway. He isn't a difference maker any longer for a team like the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The Eagles are not a McCoy away from going back to the SB.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Edited October 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ivory is in no way a replacement for McCoy. Ivory is your grinder, the guy who can plunge into a mess and come out with 2-4 yards from nothing, just legs and grit. Shady is the guy who can slither his way through the hole and be gone. As a 1-2 punch they're terrific. I will be very upset if the Bills trade Shady for anything, though I do understand if someone stacks up the coins high enough, almost anything has its price. But if they let him go at any kind of fire sale discount I will be cussing. A hot dog and a used pretzel? Get Out of Town! Hey, man... Don't sleep on used pretzels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ivory is in no way a replacement for McCoy. Ivory is your grinder, the guy who can plunge into a mess and come out with 2-4 yards from nothing, just legs and grit. Shady is the guy who can slither his way through the hole and be gone. As a 1-2 punch they're terrific. I will be very upset if the Bills trade Shady for anything, though I do understand if someone stacks up the coins high enough, almost anything has its price. But if they let him go at any kind of fire sale discount I will be cussing. A hot dog and a used pretzel? Get Out of Town! YES!!!! What’s up w people quitting mid season. It’s pathetic. 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The Eagles are not a McCoy away from going back to the SB.... I mean if that’s what shady brings to the table why trade him? Oh yeah the fan base equates losing with growth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, McBean said: After this press conference, IMO, McCoy is getting traded. No doubt about it. Interesting. What makes you say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dan said: If the Bills FO trades their ONLY offensive player that has any chance to make a defense game plan for, then they should just be truthful to the fanbase and openly admit that the the current goal in 2018 is not to win games. What did they tell you when they elected to start Peterman as #1 QB back before game 1? I don't think the bills have been deceitful or tricky in any way. This is the process - not tanking but playing for development and future; not 2018 rings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, McBean said: After this press conference, IMO, McCoy is getting traded. No doubt about it. Yeah it sounds that way to me too. Houston will probably be Shady's last game as a Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah it sounds that way to me too. Houston will probably be Shady's last game as a Bill. Indeed, he did not deny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dan said: If the Bills FO trades their ONLY offensive player that has any chance to make a defense game plan for, then they should just be truthful to the fanbase and openly admit that the the current goal in 2018 is not to win games. McDermort basically has said that. He has said over and over again that we are a young team learning how to win, and sometimes you have to experience pain to make it. They're not going to come right out and say they're trying to lose, because they're not, but their primary goal the past 2 seasons has not been to win as many games as possible. Next year that changes. Right now any move that builds for the future is going to take precedence over a move that wins a game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: It's crazy value. He's a RB. He's 30. He's got some baggage and he's making a **** ton of money. More power to them if they could get that for him, but I don't see it. Its not crazy at all not even a little bit. This 30 year old reference holds no salt. We are talking a dynamic runner like McCoy who clearly showed he can still move like a 27 year old RB. Who has familiarity to the Philly an has a very palatable contract for philly to absorb as compared to what they would have to spend to get Bell. I think many here are vastly under valuing McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, sleeby said: What did they tell you when they elected to start Peterman as #1 QB back before game 1? I don't think the bills have been deceitful or tricky in any way. This is the process - not tanking but playing for development and future; not 2018 rings. People can carry on about Peterman all they want but they don't see what the coaches see. In the end some can cut it when thrust upon the stage and that was the dividing line for Peterman. The pressure is not on then Peterman functions fine but he can't handle being on the stage with the crowd looking on. It happens with people quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah it sounds that way to me too. Houston will probably be Shady's last game as a Bill. Unless he gets hurt and Philly says no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, billsintaiwan said: Indeed, he did not deny. It’s press conference 101, he is not going to deny something that could happen at some point if they get a good enough offer. Only thing you can take from it is that they didn’t get a good enough offer, yet. And time/team record/demand also changes his price and their willingness. I didn’t at all take from it that Houston is his last game. It could be, but that’s any aging, expensive player before the deadline. I would be surprised if they traded him for less than what they want at this point in time. Edited October 10, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Unless he gets hurt and Philly says no thanks. That's what I am interested in seeing. Will they showcase McCoy or keep him safe on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Only if you are thinking short term and think they want to actually win this year....I am not sure they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 He probably gets cut in the offseason anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If the Eagles lose Thursday they will become a team looking to 2019 and a trade is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It will make sense next year. Imagine what they could buy next year in FA with that $. OL, WR, etc. Then draft a young stud at RB ala Goff / Gurley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1). Crazy? Or so sane it’s blowing our minds!? 2) Is he Josh’s safety blanket? I’d like him to be, but not sure he quite is yet (game planning). Regardless, I’m in the “don’t trade Shady” camp. Can’t we have ONE nice thing on this team? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I am on the fence about it.... however IF we can get a 2nd and a 3rd for him - I would pull that trigger in a heart beat (as long as the Bills don't bundle 5 picks for 1!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3u751k Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This will probably get blended with the other McCoy thread, but I agree. Shady has too many moves still, he's still a danger to teams. To give him a way for picks that arent even guaranteed talent is stupid to me. Keep what we got, let Shady occupy defenses and open up our passing game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 You have to think long term. Is Shady part of our the full rebuild? I doubt it. If you can get multiple mid level picks, you have to take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We can get 4 yards/carry out of Murphy. McCoy is not part of the long term future, i.e., when they are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I would miss McCoy but a 2nd round pick would be incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 None of the other McCoy trade threads on page 1 think it's crazy....so there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: We can get 4 yards/carry out of Murphy. McCoy is not part of the long term future, i.e., when they are good. Agree, but can Murphy make the BIG play when needed as Shady has done? That asked, I'm torn about trading Shady - mostly about the message it may send to the locker room about what's "good enough" this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If we can get high draft picks for him, do it. If. You're gonna take a running back in round 1 or 2 in 2019 though, don't do it. This team has a serious obsession with running backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yeah I wouldn't say they've traded any core players at all. The Darby trade was a bit of a head scratcher because he still had some years on the rookie deal, but Dareus and Sammy were smart unloads. Shady IS a core player, however this team is being built to make a run in one or two years, not this year. He's a 30 yr old back, that has to be considered here. Obviously all this depends on what Philly is willing to give up. How can anyone say they like it or don't when they don't know what we're getting? The Eagles screwed up badly by not trading Foles man. They set the price too high and now they're going to get nothing for the guy. Zero. They let some serious draft capital slide through their hands. Based on that foolishness alone, I see them as lowballing us for a Shady trade and nothing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) The Beast trade for a 4th worked, so why not? You can never have too many golden tickets. The real question should be will a trade of McCoy hurt or help Allen's develpment? Edited October 10, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: How can you say Sammy was a good unload giving the state of or WRs? They are a disaster. Having Sammy would help everyone on offense significantly. The chances of Sammy being on this team moving forward were slim to none. They got something for a player that was going to be gone. I get you don’t want to hear that, and think the bills should have just thrown money at him considering his lack of production. It wasn’t a bad move to trade Sammy. It was a bad move not to properly replace him. Toe different things. Edited October 10, 2018 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ? Not trading him would be crazy. He is a short term asset who will be long gone by the time the rebuild is complete. Cash in, save loads of cap space and get a solid draft pick. Murphy is an adequate running back for a team in rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Say we do trade Shady, which I have already said I would not. But IF we do, what does this say to the rest of the team? I don't see how it could be good for morale in any sort of way, nor do I think it helps Josh Allen's development. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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