Bills reportedly unlikely to trade McCoy and plan to keep him through 2019

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, NoSaint said:

 

Hes a 30 year old back. At this point anything you get back is a gift from the football gods. If it’s a day 2 pick it’s on par with finding a $100 bill on the ground.

You are not getting anything worth while back and he’s the best player on the team. Those things should equal “do not trade” pretty simply. 

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I get what your saying and Allen’s development is the only reason I’d hesitate to take just a 3rd.....but I think Allen’s development is bolstered more by an OL/WR/TE/RB that will grow with him over the next 5-10 years as opposed to shady for 1 or 2.  So I’ll take the pick 

 

I think Allen's development this season could be negatively impacted by not having Shady the teams best offensive weapon out there. Shady does take a lot of pressure off of Allen which put Allen in better positions. Without Shady more of the offensive burden falls onto Allen and that might have negative longer term consequences. If I am taking that risk I am not sure a 3rd round pick would be a worthwhile return. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Well no, according to Takanka's thinking, the Bills signed Hyde thinking he was just going to be an average signing.  But they screwed up and now  discovered he's actually pretty good, so they will get rid of him!

That’s seriously how it reads. I had to re-read it 3 times to make sure, and yup. 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I would be beyond pissed off if the Bills accepted a 4th for Shady. 

But I cant imagine them doing that.

 

Honestly, as far as I’m concerned, anything less than a 2nd and they can take a hike, and really, I’d want the rumored 2nd + 3rd. Or a 2nd + decent player. 

A 3rd is probably fair value, but IMO it’s just not worth it to trade McCoy for a (most likely late) 3rd round pick. 

 

I think Clayton pretty much nailed what is McCoy's actual trade value. I don't think Buffalo will trade him for that though. Probably need a 3rd without strings attached to get it done from Buffalo's end even though McCoy probably isn't worth that anymore.

[RocCityRoller]

I didn't read all 18 pages. Has anyone mentioned Nick Foles?

 

McCoy

2018 - 8.9 million

2019 - 9.0 million

2020 - FA

 

Foles

2018 - 13.6 million

2019 -  20.6 million

2020 - 600k

2021 - 600k

2022 - FA

 

if the teams could get the 2018 numbers to wash or fit Buffalo's remaining cap this year, Buffalo would add a competant veteran QB and mid level starter and top backup QB for net 11.6 million in 2019, not terrible for a QB that can start if needed. Who better to help JA along than a guy with a Super Bowl ring who got hot at the right time?

 

Buffalo would still have 50+ million and 10 picks next year. You have to think having a Super Bowl winning QB on the roster would help allure FAs next year. Foles/Allen as a QB pair looks a lot better to me and I'm sure potential FAs than Allen Peterman.

 

Buffalo is one tam that can take Fole's poison pill contract and still be aggressive in FA.

 

It's a long shot, but hey, the other team can only say no.

Edited October 9, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

I didn't read all 18 pages. Has anyone mentioned Nick Foles?

 

2018 - 8.9 million

2019 - 9.0 million

2020 - FA

 

2018 - 13.6 million

2019 -  20.6 million

2020 - 600k

2021 - 600k

2022 - FA

 

if the teams could get the 2018 numbers to wash or fit Buffalos remaining cap this year, Buffalo would add a competant veteran QB and mid level starter and top backup QB for net 11.6 million in 2019, not terrible for a QB that can start if needed. Who better to help JA along than a guy with a Super Bowl ring who got hot at the right time?

 

Buffalo would still have 50+ million and 10 picks next year. You have to think having a Super Bowl winning QB on the roster would help allure FAs next year. Foles/Allen as a QB pair looks a lot better to me and I'm sure potential FAs than Allen Peterman.

 

Buffalo is one tam that can take Fole's poison pill contract and still be aggressive in FA.

 

It's a long shot, but hey, the other team can only say no.

 

No one has because the Eagles are not trading him.   Not to mention the Bills just added Anderson as a street free agent. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I think Allen's development this season could be negatively impacted by not having Shady the teams best offensive weapon out there. Shady does take a lot of pressure off of Allen which put Allen in better positions. Without Shady more of the offensive burden falls onto Allen and that might have negative longer term consequences. If I am taking that risk I am not sure a 3rd round pick would be a worthwhile return. 

 

If we didn’t have Ivory and Murphy I guess I’d agree with you.  But we do.  I think both are capable backs. They aren’t elite like shady, but I think they can both play.

[RocCityRoller]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No one has because the Eagles are not trading him. 

 

No one was going to let Khalil Mack get away either....

[Paulus]

For Jason Peters and a 4th...

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

No one was going to let Khalil Mack get away either....

 

So the Bills will have Allen, Anderson, and Foles?   Nope!

[RocCityRoller]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

So the Bills will have Allen, Anderson, and Foles?   Nope!

 

Why not? IMO Anderson at 35 is there for brains. Pro game prep: Film study, reading defensive alignments, pre snap adjustments/ protections and audibles, and as an emergency QB.

 

Foles can win games. His current contract puts him in the neighborhood between Mayfield, McCown, Tyrod and Dalton.

 

If Allen flames out over the next few games, and the D/ ST are playing well it holds the locker room together.

 

Ivory and Murphy aren't McCoy, but they are capable RBs.

Edited October 9, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

Why not? IMO Anderson at 35 is there for brains. Pro game prep: Film study, reading defensive alignments, pre snap adjustments/ protections and audibles, and as an emergency QB.

 

Foles can win games. His current contract puts him in the neighborhood between Mayfield, McCown, Tyrod and Dalton.

 

If Allen flames out over the next few games, and the D/ ST are playing it holds the locker room together.

 

Ivory and Murphy aren't McCoy, but they are capable RBs.

 

Not realistic with Allen here as the QB they heavily invested in to get.  I'm done here. 

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

If we didn’t have Ivory and Murphy I guess I’d agree with you.  But we do.  I think both are capable backs. They aren’t elite like shady, but I think they can both play.

 

As I said I wouldn't hate Shady for a 3rd straight up. Or Shady and a 6th for Warmack and a 3rd. But I wouldn't be as enthusiastic about netting a 3rd for our best most dynamic offensive player that could greatly help the current raw rookie QB greatly for only a 3rd round pick. A 2nd rounder is a return I would be much more comfortable with. 

[YodaMan79]

John Clayton was on the air here.  The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs.  He doesn't have the value most of you think.  Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value.  Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. 

 

Howie Roseman isn't a sucker.  He's normally the one doing the fleecing.

Edited October 9, 2018 by YodaMan79

[Mat68]

A third a player.  Maybe Clements or Smallwood and a 3rd.

[peterpan]

7 hours ago, PIZ said:

Besides picks or a pick, what would they have to offer?  OG?  C?  WR?  Maybe McDermott needs another DT?!?!?!?

 

 

 

After Sunday I meant to start a thread about a trade of McCoy  for Foles.  We need a vet.QB and Foles is someone who could start.  If he leaves in FA then we would get a third round comp pick I believe.  Or we could tag and trade him.  Or keep him.  I think that makes sense

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

John Clayton was on the air here.  The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs.  He doesn't have the value most of you think.  Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value.  Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. 

 

Howie Roseman isn't a sucker.  He's normally the one doing the fleecing.

Value is all relative. If I’m the Eagles I don’t give up more than a 4th. If I’m the Bills I don’t take less than a 2nd. Different teams have different values on players, (and positions as a whole). It has nothing to do with Bills fans overvaluing him because he’s on the Bills. It’s what he’s worth to the Bills vs another team that’s a bit different, based on the makeup and circumstance of those teams.

[FearLess Price]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I didn’t say they would give up a 2nd. That’s what it would take imo. Bills already have 10 draft picks and Mccoy is serving a big role to their rookie QB. He’s taking him under his wing and he’s a captain. I don’t see Beane salivating at a mid round pick. 

 

Agree I bet my left nut they wont trade shady for anything less than a 2nd, or a 3rd and a starter

[bmur66]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

If you think this year matters.   I think Beane cares more about future years.

I saw a lot of empty seats at the Titan game and the bad weather isn’t even here yet. I haven’t been to a game yet either. Gotta have something to look forward to other than tailgating. Well maybe not ?

[YodaMan79]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They could probably get a 4th for him. Maybe a third.

 

Anything more than that is somewhat unrealistic.

 

A 3rd and a 2nd? No !@#$ing chance. 

 

 

 

 

He's on the wrong side of 30, owed a decent amount of money and a known scumbag around the league.  No chance of the 3rd or a 4th.  Too many of you are emotionally tied into the guy thinking he has value.  I'm sorry to say he doesn't.  I wish they could get what some of you think they could.  It's entertaining how most of you are trading players like you're in Madden. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by YodaMan79

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Value is all relative. If I’m the Eagles I don’t give up more than a 4th. If I’m the Bills I don’t take less than a 2nd. Different teams have different values on players, (and positions as a whole). It has nothing to do with Bills fans overvaluing him because he’s on the Bills. It’s what he’s worth to the Bills vs another team that’s a bit different, based on the makeup and circumstance of those teams.

Remember that Sam Bradford somehow got traded for a 1st rounder twice.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[HappyDays]

33 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I think Clayton pretty much nailed what is McCoy's actual trade value. I don't think Buffalo will trade him for that though. Probably need a 3rd without strings attached to get it done from Buffalo's end even though McCoy probably isn't worth that anymore.

 

Yeah if we are asking for a 2nd and 3rd that means it isn't happening. That's an offer you throw out because you aren't serious about trading him.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

He's on the wrong side of 30 and owed a decent amount of money and a known scumbag around the league.  No chance of the 3rd or a 4th.  Too many of you are emotionally tied into the guy thinking he has value.  I'm sorry to say he doesn't.  I wish they could get what some of think they could.  It's entertaining how most of you are trading players like you're in Madden. 

If they called to see if he’s available, he has value. 

 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

He's on the wrong side of 30 and owed a decent amount of money and a known scumbag around the league.  No chance of the 3rd or a 4th.  Too many of you are emotionally tied into the guy thinking he has value.  I'm sorry to say he doesn't.  I wish they could get what some of think they could.  It's entertaining how most of you are trading players like you're in Madden. 

If the eagles don’t value him that high, and it makes sense that they wouldn’t,  then the trade won’t happen because the Bills aren’t looking to trade him, it has nothing to do with “emotion.” The Bills have the leverage here, not the Eagles. They want to keep him, don’t  need mid round picks, don’t need the cap space... eagles are the ones who called them. They basically said sure, we’ll talk if you want to give us a 2 and a 3 knowing full well that they won’t. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[YodaMan79]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

If they called to see if he’s available, he has value. 

 

 

 

They called to see if they were ready to throw in the towel and be taken advantage of.  I don't consider a 5th rd pick worth it, a conditional one at that. 

[Real McClappy]

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

If they called to see if he’s available, he has value. 

 

Dude can't even see he just got owned 

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

They called to see if they were ready to throw in the towel and be taken advantage of.  I don't consider a 5th rd pick worth it, a conditional one at that. 

Right.  Just like when the Bears called the Raiders about Khalil Mack. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’d trade him for just a 2nd.  No questions asked.  I’d consider trading him for a 3rd.  I’d rather have Harrison Phillips and his contract than shady.  I’d rather have Taron Johnson and his contract over shady. Shady is better at the moment, but he’s not going to be around for the finished product.  I’ll take the building blocks over a rb than can help us get to 7-8 wins max this year and maybe be around next year. 

 

I love shady.  Watching the bills without will suck for the remainder of the year.  It will suck for josh Allen. It will suck for our W/L record.  I want a super bowl gents.  It’s very unlikely shady will ever contribute to that.  I’ll take the pick that may

I would argue that without Shady we don't win last Sunday, and would further argue that running that four minute offense, and going down the field for the win, using all of the time, was invaluable experience for Allen. 

[Peter]

19 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

John Clayton was on the air here.  The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs.  He doesn't have the value most of you think.  Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value.  Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. 

 

Howie Roseman isn't a sucker.  He's normally the one doing the fleecing.

 

If that is the case (only a 5th), there is NO reason to trade him.  F the Eagles.

[Kelly the Dog]

20 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

John Clayton was on the air here.  The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs.  He doesn't have the value most of you think.  Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value.  Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. 

 

Howie Roseman isn't a sucker.  He's normally the one doing the fleecing.

John Clayton hasn't been an expert or dialed in for at least... never. 

[YodaMan79]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Right.  Just like when the Bears called the Raiders about Khalil Mack. 

 

I don't see the correlation?  A transcendent player in his prime with many more years to create havoc vs. a guy with maybe a year left.  I wish I lived in the la la land of local Bills fans. You guys need to get out more. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

36 minutes ago, Paulus said:

For Jason Peters and a 4th...

 

...LMAO...he'd retire before EVER coming back to Buffalo......besides, he's on the down side coming off an Achilles....

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, YodaMan79 said:

 

I don't see the correlation?  A transcendent player in his prime with many more years to create havoc vs. a guy with maybe a year left.  I wish I lived in the la la land of local Bills fans. You guys need to get out more. 

An argument could be made that perhaps they should stay in more and read/watch. 

[Playoffs?]

Having no impact on my opinion, I wonder what Shady wants...

Serious question... my gut says he’d love to go back to Philly, but it seems like he genuinely likes the Bills.

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, YodaMan79 said:

 

I don't see the correlation?  A transcendent player in his prime with many more years to create havoc vs. a guy with maybe a year left.  I wish I lived in the la la land of local Bills fans. You guys need to get out more. 

And both teams called about players they wanted for one reason or another.

 

Listen man, I'm just trying to explain economics.  There's a reason the Brownies traded a 3rd for a Tyrod Taylor who was going to be cut.  There's a reason Sam Bradford was traded for a second round pick and Nick Foles, and then a year later was traded for a first and fourth rounder.

 

It's called demand.  Sometimes it drives prices up.  The Eagles need a starting caliber RB in their Super Bowl window.  He is worth more to the Eagles than the Giants.  Demand.  

 

Really, it's that simple.

[YodaMan79]

QB vs RB.  It's really that simple.

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, YodaMan79 said:

QB vs RB.  It's really that simple.

I'm not saying Shady is worth the same as a Bradford.  I'm saying that Shady may be worth a 5th to some teams and more to others.  

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

I don't see the correlation?  A transcendent player in his prime with many more years to create havoc vs. a guy with maybe a year left.  I wish I lived in the la la land of local Bills fans. You guys need to get out more. 

What about the ones that aren’t local? Do we escape your condescension?

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I would argue that without Shady we don't win last Sunday, and would further argue that running that four minute offense, and going down the field for the win, using all of the time, was invaluable experience for Allen. 

 

Whatever value he got from that is outweighed by whatever help we could get him with a 3rd or 2nd round pick. But realistically I don't see it happening anyways. If it does happen it will be right before the trade deadline with the Bills out of the playoff race and the Eagles feeling like they're contenders again. A lot of things would have to go right (or in our case wrong) for that scenario to happen.