Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, YodaMan79 said: QB vs RB. It's really that simple. It’s a combination of.....everything. Supply/demand, position, age, need, timing in SB mode, cap ramifications, etc. Many, many factors, and a very serious long shot. But you never know..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Whatever you are on I will have two. Do you honestly think Philly is going to give up a swap of a 3rd and 5th along with one of their best receivers on a rookie contract and throw in Warmack for Shady a 30 year old RB not having the best season and on a significant contract? Get real here, this is a player for picks trade, maybe the Bills can get Warmack as a throw in but the Bills aren't prying away Agholor. Philly is trying to improve their chances to win now, giving up O-line depth and a good young WR (While also giving up draft assets) for a older running back just makes no sense. I’m not sure why this fact escapes so many in this thread: this is not about projections, it’s about what YOU would take in exchange for Shady. I presented an alternative to demanding a 2nd & 3rd Round picks. As for Warmack, he’s promising and young but he’s been inactive all year on game day. As for Agholor, that’s why it’s an ask and it’s why it’s a 3rd not a 2nd. He too hasn’t yet lived up to his promise in Philly and they have other weapons with Jeffrey coming back. So it’s merely an alternative to getting the aforementioned picks as in something I, personally, could accept. That’s it. No prognostication, it’s about where I think the middle ground lies in what the Bills are asking and what I, as a fan, could suppprt in return for Shady. No need for dramatics. Edited October 10, 2018 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I like Shady, but if you can get at least a 3rd rounder, take it. He's not going to be part of the new offense when it comes together in two years. Let the man have some success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What about the ones that aren’t local? Do we escape your condescension? That would make me feel so special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would argue that without Shady we don't win last Sunday, and would further argue that running that four minute offense, and going down the field for the win, using all of the time, was invaluable experience for Allen. I’d agree that we wouldn’t win that game without him. No doubt. Also great experience for Allen. I’ll still take a 2nd or probably even a 3rd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What about the ones that aren’t local? Do we escape your condescension? No, the odds are better you've not subjected to the second rate local media covering the team. I love the Bills, but I find it painful how out of touch the fan base is, like a 2nd and a 3rd is possible. Pitchforks and torches should have been out on One Bills Drive 10 years ago. The ownership (mostly previous obviously) group has taken full advantage of this fan base. The Bills are the Browns "light", and in some part, we've let the oligarchs get away with feeding us a crappy product. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’d agree that we wouldn’t win that game without him. No doubt. Also great experience for Allen. I’ll still take a 2nd or probably even a 3rd for him. I would take a second for sure. Maybe a third but with Philly it's going to likely be a late third so maybe not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: John Clayton was on the air here. The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs. He doesn't have the value most of you think. Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value. Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. Howie Roseman isn't a sucker. He's normally the one doing the fleecing. Yeah, who can forget the fleecing of McCoy for a JAG linebacker coming off an ACL tear, amiright? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah, who can forget the fleecing of McCoy for a JAG linebacker coming off an ACL tear, amiright? Was that Chip Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Logic said: I'm pretty torn about this. On the one hand, the Bills have already pretty much stripped the offense to the nubs. Getting one more good draft pick in exchange for a player who likely won't be around when the Bills are ready for prime time potentially makes sense. On the other hand, McCoy is a locker room leader, a team captain, and has a great relationship with Allen. Taking away the ONE good offensive player the Bills have -- and thus making life even HARDER on their rookie QB -- might be a foolhardy move. The question, of course, is what would the compensation be? Anything less than a 2nd rounder (which I doubt the Eagles would be willing to part with) probably isn't worth it. Why? Because, again, you don't want to make Allen's difficult development even MORE difficult by stripping him of another good offensive player and a mentor/leader in the locker room. Pretty much sums it up. Fish or cut bait. This makes Shady a dead man walking. He is a Philly man and would probably welcome the trip home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Was that Chip Kelly? Howie was there then as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: No, the odds are better you've not subjected to the second rate local media covering the team. I love the Bills, but I find it painful how out of touch the fan base is, like a 2nd and a 3rd is possible. Pitchforks and torches should have been out on One Bills Drive 10 years ago. The ownership (mostly previous obviously) group has taken full advantage of this fan base. The Bills are the Browns "light", and in some part, we've let the oligarchs get away with feeding us a crappy product. So.....if you hate it so much..... what would you accept? A 2 and a 3 is absurd, I agree. Before I ever got to pitch fork crazy, I’d just go find something that makes me happy more than sad and angry. I guess we’re all different. To be fair and fully transparent, a gas station near my house has a nice location, and charges 40-50 cents more per gallon than a couple (nicer) places just a mile away in different directions. It actually makes me angry to see people buying gas there all day long, as I know it’s a ripoff. All I can do is vote with my feet, and buy the smart gas. No pitchforks here, I just go elsewhere. It works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: No need for dramatics. Where is the fun in that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Howie was there then as well. He took a backseat though. Kelly made the player transactions along with his buddy he brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I'd vote no to the trade. We have to hold onto some semblance of loyalty/team chemistry, and faith in management, in order to be able to pull this thing out of the fire in as short a time as possible. McCoy takes some pressure off the budding Allen. Take him away and the whole thing could crumble. Draft picks, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round, are all hypothetical future "wins" for the team, but often they don't pan out well and are thus just gambles. We'll be ok with the draft picks we have, no need to further decimate or gamble with what would happen to the current team. Edited October 10, 2018 by Georgia Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: He took a backseat though. Kelly made the player transactions along with his buddy he brought in. There is no indication he had zero input in the decision. He may not have made the final call, but he was on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Howie was there then as well. Yeah, he was still officially an eagles employee, but he wasn’t involved in running the team. There’s actually an I testing story about how the owner told him to take that time to improve his managerial skills, so Roseman traveled around the country visiting with successful managers in all different sports. Edit -here’s the link - https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/09/eagles-gm-howie-roseman-learned-about-striking-deals-in-his-gap-year/ (the link to the full sports illustrated story is in the article) heres another on his “exile” - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2018/01/30/out-exile-howie-roseman-builds-eagles-into-super-bowl-contender/1080851001/ Quote BLOOMINGTON, Minn. – No matter how the change of Howie Roseman’s job duties in 2015 was framed, with a new fancy vice president title and a reassignment of duties, there was no question he was the loser in a power struggle with former head coach Chip Kelly. And yet now Roseman looks back at his year in Eagles exile, where he focused on business operations and had no role in building the roster, as a “great experience” that ultimately helped him when he regained personnel power after Kelly was fired at the end of that season. It was a chance to reflect on his career after a rapid rise through the Eagles’ personnel ranks, and a chance to see a different side of how an NFL franchise runs. Edited October 10, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 All you have to do is listen to Jason Kelce's speech to figure out what happened to Howie during Chips run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: There is no indication he had zero input in the decision. He may not have made the final call, but he was on the team. Yes there was a lot of indication. One of the main reasons that Kelly was fired was he insisted on Tom Gamble his buddy being put in charge of player personnel and Howie Roseman had taken player duties taken away and put in charge of salary cap and business stuff. But Lurie liked Roseman. So after a few Kelly deals didn't work out so well he ended up firing both of them and reinstating Roseman as the GM. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000913064/article/jeffrey-luriehowie-roseman-partnership-powering-eagles-run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Maybe the Eagles problems have less to do with them not having Shady and more to do with their O line badly underperforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, starrymessenger said: Maybe the Eagles problems have less to do with them not having Shady and more to do with their O line badly underperforming. They won last year because of OL and DL, and subsequently, they're a year older and coming off a deep playoff run and struggling. You're correct, Clement and Smallwood could hold it down with a decent OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Having no impact on my opinion, I wonder what Shady wants... Serious question... my gut says he’d love to go back to Philly, but it seems like he genuinely likes the Bills. Philly has a better chance to win a Super Bowl this year, and at this point in Shady's career, its probably his # 1 priority, that and 12k. He gave Buffalo his all in his time and here and the fans appreciated him. If he can improve our future by trading him now, it shouldn't be a big deal. That being said, he's Allens best weapon and we should keep him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO...he'd retire before EVER coming back to Buffalo......besides, he's on the down side coming off an Achilles.... Was joke... But, the sentiment still remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If we get a 2nd AND 3rd round pick, you take it. No friggin way in hell that happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Ivory and Murphy run HARD. Sure..... You are comparing them to a hall of fame player. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I’m not sure why this fact escapes so many in this thread: this is not about projections, it’s about what YOU would take in exchange for Shady. I presented an alternative to demanding a 2nd & 3rd Round picks. As for Warmack, he’s promising and young but he’s been inactive all year on game day. As for Agholor, that’s why it’s an ask and it’s why it’s a 3rd not a 2nd. He too hasn’t yet lived up to his promise in Philly and they have other weapons with Jeffrey coming back. So it’s merely an alternative to getting the aforementioned picks as in something I, personally, could accept. That’s it. No prognostication, it’s about where I think the middle ground lies in what the Bills are asking and what I, as a fan, could suppprt in return for Shady. No need for dramatics. That's fair to say that's what you would want to take back but this move is a win now move for Philly to give up a pick/picks for a player that could help them make a run. They aren't going to send back a player like Agholor who helps them win now in a package for Shady that also includes draft capital. I think you could probably pry Warmack as he is a depth player but Philly wants to win in 2018 and they aren't giving up their second best WR, Draft capital, and their best backup OL for a 30 year old RB. It just doesn't line up with the needs of the Eagles to send back players in this type of deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff76ers Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Article/LeSean-McCoy-Eagles-trade-draft-pick-123110013/Amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 let’s not and say we did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Tatonka68 said: Sure..... You are comparing them to a hall of fame player. LOL Fair enough. I think Shady is an asset at the same time though and wouldn't give him up for nothing, he needs to be in a RB committee though, I think it can extend his career, he's not the same back anymore but still very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Theres already a thread about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Again? Really? For a 5th I’m out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, MichFan said: Theres already a thread about this At least a couple. People should at least try to look first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If they trade Shady at all I’m going to be furious. If it’s for a 5th then I hope Beane is fired 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: If we get a 2nd AND 3rd round pick, you take it. No friggin way in hell that happens. I would take a 2nd and run. If we got 2nd and a 3rd I'd be dancin in the street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would take a second for sure. Maybe a third but with Philly it's going to likely be a late third so maybe not that. Agreed. The 4th night not be worth it, but Taron Johnson looks worth it at the moment. Most of these draft picks look like home runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 a 2nd round plus a 3rd round equal a 5th round doesn't it. LOL 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 John Clayton is an idiot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chemical said: lIn which game did our offense look the best? That would be the shady-less Minnesota game Sir. My sentiments exactly Edited October 10, 2018 by PaulieYayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buff76ers said: https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Article/LeSean-McCoy-Eagles-trade-draft-pick-123110013/Amp/ Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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