Bills reportedly unlikely to trade McCoy and plan to keep him through 2019

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Good post.

 If he wants to go ? then make the deal. and try to make Philly pay through the nose !

 

....sure as hell won't be any "nostalgia deals" to return him to his roots with a better shot at a championship......and I doubt Roseman "pays through the nose"...prolly signs Gillie......too bad the Chipster is gone...............

Edited October 10, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[teef]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I agree they wouldn't have. I'm saying they are wrong in not doing so. And they couldve franchised him if they couldn't agree on terms.

 

Do you think he would be worth the money he’s likely be asking for.  We know how much KC gave him. Do you think he’s worth that?

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

You guys and your love of draft picks! A  mere 3rd round for a superstar like Shady to go to a team in NOW desperation mode would such a bad trade! Get way more or keep the man! 

 

And the other players in that locker room would be quite dejected. It'd be the management saying "season's over, all for next year" but keep pushing through pain and injuries... Maybe the GM is tempted but I'm not sure the coaches are

 

 

you always answer the phone. What Beanes does next is crucial on this matter.

Bud at work asked me about this today. I said i might have to rethink being a fan,Of this current regime specifically
It's the wrong direction to go as a Team. At this point in time.
only caveat is if Shady wants a trade.

McBeane's have been sympathetic and honest with players. I would not be surprised they might even ask Shady how he feels if Philly is calling.

If Shady wants to go I will accept the trade and move on.
One of my faults is loyalty.

 i nearly cried over Fred.

33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....sure as hell won't be any "nostalgia deals" to return him to his roots with a better shot at a championship......and I doubt Roseman "pays through the nose"...prolly signs Gillie......too bad the Chipster is gone...............

I am desperate to feel good if any deal at all goes down.

 already thinking i need a Tums and a scotch

[Steptide]

I think if shady gets traded, it happens this Friday. Eagles play tomorrow night so he's no good to them this week and they don't want him potentially getting hurt Sunday. I think their is a tentative deal in place and it'll happen Friday. 

[3rdand12]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

How about doing right by the team? Don’t think they care about whether he wants to be in Philly. 

Can you extrapolate YOLO.

doing right by the Team ?
 

IF they are getting call AND he wants to go ?

I say you make the best deal you can.

  Run Ivory Murphy and Jones till they puke

  till you find the fit McBeanes envisions  at RB position  and I might Imagine they want one via the Draft ...

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

I think if shady gets traded, it happens this Friday. Eagles play tomorrow night so he's no good to them this week and they don't want him potentially getting hurt Sunday. I think their is a tentative deal in place and it'll happen Friday. 

Geez, you are likely correct.

 

when is the trade deadline again ?

 my stress level is rising.

Dang Buffalo Bills and their antics !

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

you always answer the phone. What Beanes does next is crucial on this matter.

Bud at work asked me about this today. I said i might have to rethink being a fan,Of this current regime specifically
It's the wrong direction to go as a Team. At this point in time.
only caveat is if Shady wants a trade.

McBeane's have been sympathetic and honest with players. I would not be surprised they might even ask Shady how he feels if Philly is calling.

If Shady wants to go I will accept the trade and move on.
One of my faults is loyalty.

 i nearly cried over Fred.

I am desperate to feel good if any deal at all goes down.

 already thinking i need a Tums and a scotch

 

 

...versus my Blanton bourbon, popcorn and a 36 pack of Depends....scented.....

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

Can you extrapolate YOLO.

doing right by the Team ?
 

IF they are getting call AND he wants to go ?

I say you make the best deal you can.

  Run Ivory Murphy and Jones till they puke

  till you find the fit McBeanes envisions  at RB position  and I might Imagine they want one via the Draft ...

If the Bills think it is the right move for the team, meaning the compensation is appropriate to where they believe they are doing the right thing for the team, then make the trade. That’s it.

 

it should have nothing to do with whether he, the player, wants to stay or go. 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Can you extrapolate YOLO.

doing right by the Team ?
 

IF they are getting call AND he wants to go ?

I say you make the best deal you can.

  Run Ivory Murphy and Jones till they puke

  till you find the fit McBeanes envisions  at RB position  and I might Imagine they want one via the Draft ...

Geez, you are likely correct.

 

when is the trade deadline again ?

 my stress level is rising.

Dang Buffalo Bills and their antics !

 

Beggars Night (Oct 30).

Edited October 10, 2018 by ColoradoBills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

So I was scanning the first 2 pages and misread a title as "Someone needs to be Fired over McCoy Right Now"

That would pretty much be how I would feel if he's traded this season.

 

My feeling from watching body language in McCoy's presser and McDermott's presser is that in fact, Philly has called Beane with an offer and both McCoy and McDermott know about it.

 

I think the offer was lowball and Beane may have countered something like "talk starts at your best 2nd and a 3rd" and Philly said "laters then"

 

I think McDermott isn't happy about the thought that Philly might ante up. 

 

I don't think McCoy thinks it will happen.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Sometimes it seems like the owner, the GM, and the coach all think they're unwrapping Topps wax packs, and after buying a few new packs, get rid of what they unwrapped a few days ago.  It's 'their' team, so they're free to do so, just an observation on my part.  However, this is the first time I've ever noticed a Bills front office looking like a ten year old coming out of the corner store with their latest supply of football cards.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I think if shady gets traded, it happens this Friday. Eagles play tomorrow night so he's no good to them this week and they don't want him potentially getting hurt Sunday. I think their is a tentative deal in place and it'll happen Friday. 

 

That would suck suckage out of the sucky deals someone sucked

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...versus my Blanton bourbon, popcorn and a 36 pack of Depends....scented.....

i prefer scented as well.

 The Ladies dig it .

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Kevin1778 said:

A 3rd is EXACTLY what he is worth. It would be a 4th or 5th but the Eagles are a little desperate.

 

Worth to whom?

 

I didn't like the Dareus trade.  It sent our D into a 3 game run-over-us tailspin.  I thought a 5th was ridiculously low compensation for a former 1st round pick who had been one of the best DTs in football and was still a competent run stuffer, but I "bought" the whole "Process" thing: OK, he's the highest paid player and maybe he's not setting the kind of high bar for work ethic like your highest paid guy has to do.

 

There can be none of that with McCoy.  None.  He's a leader, he seems to have bonded with Allen, he's a team captain.  You trade him, you're trading (in terms of talent and demonstrated football abilities) your heart.  2nd and 3rd round picks overall have about a 1 in 3 chance of working out.  If you trade McCoy for a 2nd and a 3rd, there's something like 60% odds you get one good football player back.  Maybe that's worth it.  Maybe.

 

They're going to have more cap space than they know what to do with next year already, what does McCoy's $9M matter to them?

 

At some point you have to play football, not trade away every good player on the team.

 

A 4th or 5th is a player who has maybe 10-20% odds of working out.  That would be ridiculous.

 

[3rdand12]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

If the Bills think it is the right move for the team, meaning the compensation is appropriate to where they believe they are doing the right thing for the team, then make the trade. That’s it.

 

it should have nothing to do with whether he, the player, wants to stay or go. 

You have the correct attitude from a business perspective absolutely , and quite possibly in the social dynamics that the NFL maintains.
I think Shady is nearly the best player on the Team. I loathe the mindset of removing every single player from the previous regime. and i have felt Shady has been a fine TeamPlayer.

 

For me i have to consider there is always more to the story when a trade happens. Such as Bills listening to calls because they should , but perhaps the whole House robbery and all the DV accusations etc have brought up some concerns about " Process fitting up ".

straight up compensation via draft picks who will have more risk and a learning curve ? not for me on this fellow. Trade Clay Trade Benjamin and throw in half the O line for all i care !!

 

 there is no simple math equation for me, and Bills players being traded

 Thanks for your succint point because i respect that view  !

 

[Mat68]

The trading of McCoy is not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be.  I expected this to be his final year in Buffalo.  Now I would want one of their young backs in return.  Smallwood or Clement and a 2nd or 3rd.  It's a situation that came calling and one I would consider.

[3rdand12]

18 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Beggars Night (Oct 30).

Thank you kind Sir/ or Lady .. as the case may be     ..

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

So I was scanning the first 2 pages and misread a title as "Someone needs to be Fired over McCoy Right Now"

That would pretty much be how I would feel if he's traded this season.

 

My feeling from watching body language in McCoy's presser and McDermott's presser is that in fact, Philly has called Beane with an offer and both McCoy and McDermott know about it.

 

I think the offer was lowball and Beane may have countered something like "talk starts at your best 2nd and a 3rd" and Philly said "laters then"

 

I think McDermott isn't happy about the thought that Philly might ante up. 

 

I don't think McCoy thinks it will happen.

 

I like his post, even if i wasn't  extremely biased.

you are correct about how McD dealt with it in the presser.

 He made sure to NOT say.

Bills have called for a trade.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Kevin1778 said:

 

Texans, Jaguars, and Bears will feast on Bills Offensive Line. They are terrible matchups for the Bills.

 

So are the Vikings...

 

BTW, I listed the Bears along with New England as most likely not wins. Anyone can beat the Texans and Jaguars this year. Doesn't mean we will, but if we do nobody is going to say it was some monumental feat.

2 hours ago, sleeby said:

Nooo!  Please not another 8-8 year.  Just not this one time.   Look good, grow, identify areas unable to grow into the role and then replace.  2019 - do our best with our good D and very young O and onward from there always forward and never straight.  ?

 

 

I would MUCH rather go 8-8 than anything less than that. I don't want the top pick in the draft. I don't want a top 10 pick in the draft. I want the team to be competitive every single year and win asany games as possible.

[wppete]

Espn Article:

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24950385/buffalo-bills-head-coach-sean-mcdermott-dismiss-report-philadelphia-eagles-interest-lesean-mccoy

[stuvian]

we don't have another back who can catch like McCoy

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Worth to whom?

 

I didn't like the Dareus trade.  It sent our D into a 3 game run-over-us tailspin.  I thought a 5th was ridiculously low compensation for a former 1st round pick who had been one of the best DTs in football and was still a competent run stuffer, but I "bought" the whole "Process" thing: OK, he's the highest paid player and maybe he's not setting the kind of high bar for work ethic like your highest paid guy has to do.

 

There can be none of that with McCoy.  None.  He's a leader, he seems to have bonded with Allen, he's a team captain.  You trade him, you're trading (in terms of talent and demonstrated football abilities) your heart.  2nd and 3rd round picks overall have about a 1 in 3 chance of working out.  If you trade McCoy for a 2nd and a 3rd, there's something like 60% odds you get one good football player back.  Maybe that's worth it.  Maybe.

 

They're going to have more cap space than they know what to do with next year already, what does McCoy's $9M matter to them?

 

At some point you have to play football, not trade away every good player on the team.

 

A 4th or 5th is a player who has maybe 10-20% odds of working out.  That would be ridiculous.

 

I had forgotten why i liked you before becoming a moderator. . .
 But this post reminds me.

Tremendous opinion. broad, even and both near and far sighted.
And now I recall why i liked your posts all along.

You're a good Kid Hapless and thanks for work.

 All good points. but my marked up ones show a mature perspective and the ability to be flex thinking

 

sorry to hear about  "breaking it down " with the Dog pee.

 good to hear you are still nimble enough to bust that move : )

[JerseyBills]

Watch the Titans game, Shady is still elite, hasn't lost a step at all. I want him to stay

[3rdand12]

13 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The trading of McCoy is not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be.  I expected this to be his final year in Buffalo.  Now I would want one of their young backs in return.  Smallwood or Clement and a 2nd or 3rd.  It's a situation that came calling and one I would consider.

you can draft a rookie in the fifth, burn out Ivory and see what Murphy can do. and have Shady still. He is a our best pas receiver two years running isn't he  : )

[sleeby]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I would MUCH rather go 8-8 than anything less than that. I don't want the top pick in the draft. I don't want a top 10 pick in the draft. I want the team to be competitive every single year and win asany games as possible.

So you're the guy who thought the past 20 years were great!  Heard of you but thought an urban legend was all.  ;o)   

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Watch the Titans game, Shady is still elite, hasn't lost a step at all. I want him to stay

oh hell yes he was.

[OldTimer1960]

I would only *consider* trading him to the Eagles if they got a 2nd for him or if they plan to send Allen to the bench (and then have to draft another QB prospect).  Leaving Allen in the lineup with no WRs, no OL and no RB would be a death sentence for his career, yet benching him now is also likely the same.

[3rdand12]

Just now, sleeby said:

So you're the guy who thought the past 20 years were great!  Heard of you but thought an urban legend was all.  ;o)   

I think it is the win now and win the future philosophy that has been mentioned via the FO he is alluding to.

No Tank for me senior ( in my Speedy Gonzalez voice )

[BillsSbSoon]

2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

coming off a super bowl win, the goal is not to finish 9-7 and be one and done in the playoffs.  Its a different mindset than making one playoff game appearance in 17 years. 

Who says theyd be one and done? If they get in they could make a run its been done before

[Coach Tuesday]

52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Worth to whom?

 

I didn't like the Dareus trade.  It sent our D into a 3 game run-over-us tailspin.  I thought a 5th was ridiculously low compensation for a former 1st round pick who had been one of the best DTs in football and was still a competent run stuffer, but I "bought" the whole "Process" thing: OK, he's the highest paid player and maybe he's not setting the kind of high bar for work ethic like your highest paid guy has to do.

 

There can be none of that with McCoy.  None.  He's a leader, he seems to have bonded with Allen, he's a team captain.  You trade him, you're trading (in terms of talent and demonstrated football abilities) your heart.  2nd and 3rd round picks overall have about a 1 in 3 chance of working out.  If you trade McCoy for a 2nd and a 3rd, there's something like 60% odds you get one good football player back.  Maybe that's worth it.  Maybe.

 

They're going to have more cap space than they know what to do with next year already, what does McCoy's $9M matter to them?

 

At some point you have to play football, not trade away every good player on the team.

 

A 4th or 5th is a player who has maybe 10-20% odds of working out.  That would be ridiculous.

 

 

Not to mention the added pressure you're needlessly putting on Allen...

[Frez]

Shady carries the ball like a hot loaf of bread! Wtf is that all about?

Thanks

[GoodHands15]

Damn idk how to find threads but I called this months ago.

 

 

Damn

[Fadingpain]

2 minutes ago, Frez said:

Shady carries the ball like a hot loaf of bread! Wtf is that all about?

Thanks

He gets away with b/c he's a great runner, and doesn't cough up the ball very much.

 

If he fumbled a lot with that technique, he would either have changed how he does things years or ago or been driven out of the league.  

 

But he somehow avoids fumbling while doing it, so he continues to do it.

 

It's still crazy and drives me nuts!

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

51 minutes ago, Frez said:

Shady carries the ball like a hot loaf of bread! Wtf is that all about?

Thanks

Someone said it helps him with balance. I also read this today about the loaf of bread carry

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/10/nfl-rookie-quarterbacks-baker-mayfield-josh-rosen-sam-darnold-josh-allen-lamar-jackson

Quote

I’ve been watching LeSean McCoy carry the ball like this for 10 years, and yet I’m still baffled when I see it. Shortly after he was dealt to Buffalo, I sat down and watched film with him. I asked him how many coaches have tried to have a serious conversation with him about how he holds the ball. “All of them,” he said. “But I don’t fumble the ball, really.” Indeed, McCoy in his career has averaged just over two fumbles a season, and many of those have come on runs where he’s cradled the ball correctly. I love McCoy’s game. He’s one of the best lateral movers of his generation. He’s 30 but hasn’t shown much (if any) signs of decline. He can carry the ball however he wants, I guess.

Edited October 11, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[What a Tuel]

2 hours ago, sleeby said:

So you're the guy who thought the past 20 years were great!  Heard of you but thought an urban legend was all.  ;o)   

 

I'd argue the last 20 years sucked bc we weren't in the playoff hunt for the majority of the time. 8-8 and borderline 9-7 and meaningful December games would have made the last 20 years much more bearable than the 6-10 and 7-9 we consistently ended up with. 

[C.Biscuit97]

I like aiming high but I’d take a 4th.  He’s getting old, he has baggage, he probably won’t be back next year, and the one thing the Bills can do is find running backs.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Man, listening to his and McD's pressers gave me pause.  I wouldn't be surprised if he is dealt soon

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Man, listening to his and McD's pressers gave me pause.  I wouldn't be surprised if he is dealt soon

Of course they want to trade him.  They aren’t bringing him back.  All this BS in the offseason (whether it’s true or not), his age and price tag is the reason to move him while you can get something. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

10 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Man, listening to his and McD's pressers gave me pause.  I wouldn't be surprised if he is dealt soon

Yep my thoughts as well

[Jerome007]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

There can be none of that with McCoy.  None.  He's a leader, he seems to have bonded with Allen, he's a team captain.  You trade him, you're trading (in terms of talent and demonstrated football abilities) your heart.  2nd and 3rd round picks overall have about a 1 in 3 chance of working out.  If you trade McCoy for a 2nd and a 3rd, there's something like 60% odds you get one good football player back.  Maybe that's worth it.  Maybe.

 

They're going to have more cap space than they know what to do with next year already, what does McCoy's $9M matter to them?

 

At some point you have to play football, not trade away every good player on the team.

 

A 4th or 5th is a player who has maybe 10-20% odds of working out.  That would be ridiculous.

 

BOOM

[Iron Maiden]

Not sure how to feel about this.....he's getting old but still is a weapon and anyone knows we need those......

Edited October 11, 2018 by Iron Maiden

[Da webster guy]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

How can you say Sammy was a good unload giving the state of or WRs? 

 

They are a disaster. Having Sammy would help everyone on offense significantly. 

 

Sammy was my favorite Bill, but we knew he was going to ask for huge money and he was just too inconsistent with those freaking injuries.   He's got a nagging hammy again this year, he's 5 games in averaging 4 grabs a game, scored once.  Thats with Tyreek and Kelce-both elite weapons-ahead of him and Mahomes chucking it.   

I dunno man, we could have definitely used him in the Jax playoff game, he wouldn't have pushed off like KB in the endzone and backed us up 10 yards off the goal line on 1st down.

We used Rams 2nd round draft pick as part of the trade up to get Josh, otherwise we'd have had to burn our 22nd overall pick to move up and we wouldn't have been able to get Tremaine otherwise.  Both dudes huge part of our future here.   

Maybe you're right though.  He was so fun to watch when healthy, I miss that.