YodaMan79 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I think the Eagles are using the Bills as leverage to get Bell. LaCanfora said about an hour ago on the radio, here, that a 3rd would likely get the Bell deal done. He's hearing the locker room Pitt isn't sure if Bell would be welcome back with open arms. That should wake a bunch of Bills fans up that think LM has 2nd-3rd value. Each week that passes the value/realistic ask drops. Howie isn't looking for a rental, he's looking for a 2-3 year option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: I think the Eagles are using the Bills as leverage to get Bell. LaCanfora said about an hour ago on the radio, here, that a 3rd would likely get the Bell deal done. He's hearing the locker room Pitt isn't sure if Bell would be welcome back with open arms. That should wake a bunch of Bills fans up that think LM has 2nd-3rd value. Each week that passes the value/realistic ask drops. Howie isn't looking for a rental, he's looking for a 2-3 year option. You keep saying this but it’s not accurate. The report is that the Bills are asking for that. There are Bills fans who don’t want to trade him for less than that, as well. That does not mean that they think that is his value. They continue to point out that it is above his market value but that his value to this team - again, as reported yesterday by a radio host in Philly - is likely higher than his value to other teams, including the eagles. It doesn’t mean they will get that, or even that they will trade him. Please stop with the condescending posts about Bills fans overvaluing him. Edited October 11, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) I'd disagree, with reading the posts that go back 3+ weeks. Lots of McCoy fluffing here. I want him gone for a bag of balls if need be. He's not going to be here next year, let's move on. It's not ideal for Allen, but if he's the real deal he'll have to adapt. I'd like to see a move for possibly Duke Johnson. My personal bias is shining through, I know. Edited October 11, 2018 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t going to replace his production but will be a fraction of the cost and you’d get a pick. That’s the reasoning. The Bills aren’t doing this because there are guys as good as Shady on the street. They are doing it for the asset(s) and cap space. I get what you’re saying just not sure sure the FO is ready to take away the strength of the O until Josh proves himself capable. But I'm just an armchair gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I had to laugh at "strength of the O". I get your point though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Does trading mccoy hurt Allen's development? His best game was the one McCoy missed. As strange as it may sound trading shady takes Allen's and daboll crutch away, maybe it would force other players to step up/game plan better I'm just trying to convince myself the bills offense won't get worse without shady, its tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 unless we get a steal on the trade forget it. mccoy is the pizzazz of this franchise still. we need to stop giving away all our offensive talent. that just creates another hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You keep saying this but it’s not accurate. The report is that the Bills are asking for that. There are Bills fans who don’t want to trade him for less than that, as well. That does not mean that they think that is his value. They continue to point out that it is above his market value but that his value to this team - again, as reported yesterday by a radio host in Philly - is likely higher than his value to other teams, including the eagles. It doesn’t mean they will get that, or even that they will trade him. Please stop with the condescending posts about Bills fans overvaluing him. Thank you. Getting pretty tired of people confusing "worth" with "market value" in this context. His worth is entirely subjective, and to the Bills, that worth is high considering their current offensive circumstances and the greater needs being OL/WR. His market value, is also subjective to a point, but more objective in the sense that should he be traded, he is currently being valued by other teams collectively at a different ask than what the Bills have started with, which is all a part of negotiation. Regardless of the fact that Shady will likely not be a part of this team when they are ready to compete, I would LOVE to see us get what we're asking for, but realistically we end up with a 3rd and more cap space next season. It's just unfortunate that we may lose our only real offensive weapon this year: Shady/Ivory one-two scheme. Edited October 11, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I get what you’re saying just not sure sure the FO is ready to take away the strength of the O until Josh proves himself capable. But I'm just an armchair gm. Oh, I agree. I wouldn’t do it (especially for some of the little trades being thrown around). I’d only do it on an overpay and still wouldn’t love it. Edited October 11, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: If I was Howie, Id also call the Browns about Duke Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I see some people wringing their hands over cap space but the Bills will have plenty of cap space next year w/o moving McCoy. As some have stated the market for positions that are of prime need for the Bills will be shallow in offerings so the money will stretch and most likely have some carryover to 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I say trade him and get an asset. Pretty good RBs are a dime a dozen. Yes, you want one, but you can find one in the 3rd or 4th round and pay him peanuts for 4 years then repeat the process. No need to have a big $$ RB. Just look at NE, who just finds an annoying little quick guy who can catch screen passes. As soon as that guy wants money they just send him packing and come up with the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The first few weeks our run blocking was caca. Say instead "they needed a more physical runner who could make yards out of nothing on his own" and you've got it. This past week, they simplified the blocking and it worked better for Shady. Not hugely better, but better to the tune of 3-5 ypc vs -3 to -1 ypc Ah-ha. Hey, I don’t want to see McCoy go, I’m just saying I have a bad feeling this is how the Bills feel. And i I think you’re correction to my comment is correct. “A physical runner who can carry the Bills OL and the other teams DL and LBs and gain yards”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I get what you’re saying just not sure sure the FO is ready to take away the strength of the O until Josh proves himself capable. But I'm just an armchair gm. I would call it more like a plastic folding chair gm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I am for keeping Shady too. The unnecessary extension they gave him was part of a series of sloppy new owner honeymoon mistakes(like not putting standard conduct clauses in Dareus' contract)............but how do you root for them to trade him now? They have no other playmakers on offense and they have tons of self-inflicted cap room in 2019 and there will be nobody to wisely spend it all on. I don't care that he's diminished(be it ability or durability) the young QB needs all the talent he can get around him. That's worth A LOT, IMO. If I knew we could squeeze 3 more quality years out of McCoy I would say keep him. I just don't see it as realistic and he does get dinged up from time to time. If they are willing to give a 2nd + 4th than it's a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: If I knew we could squeeze 3 more quality years out of McCoy I would say keep him. I just don't see it as realistic and he does get dinged up from time to time. If they are willing to give a 2nd + 4th than it's a go. ...you need to diversify him in a more Thurmal type mode with Murphy as his change of pace, Kenneth Davis type relief with Ivory doing the ground and pound/heavy lifting IMO........... Edited October 11, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Does trading mccoy hurt Allen's development? His best game was the one McCoy missed. As strange as it may sound trading shady takes Allen's and daboll crutch away, maybe it would force other players to step up/game plan better I'm just trying to convince myself the bills offense won't get worse without shady, its tough That's a good point about how Allen's best game was without Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would call it more like a plastic folding chair gm. Isn’t that supposed to be a plastic folding table gm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Isn’t that supposed to be a plastic folding table gm? Just waiting to be crushed in two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, YodaMan79 said: I think the Eagles are using the Bills as leverage to get Bell. LaCanfora said about an hour ago on the radio, here, that a 3rd would likely get the Bell deal done. He's hearing the locker room Pitt isn't sure if Bell would be welcome back with open arms. That should wake a bunch of Bills fans up that think LM has 2nd-3rd value. Each week that passes the value/realistic ask drops. Howie isn't looking for a rental, he's looking for a 2-3 year option. How will a 3rd get the deal done for Bell? Steelers are pretty much assured of a third round comp pick if they let him walk this offseason, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Does trading mccoy hurt Allen's development? His best game was the one McCoy missed. And his worst game was one in which Shady, coming back from injury, had 5 attempts for 24 yards and the Bills overall had 58 yds rushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I said it when it first was reported give me ahgulor we got a deal sand stand by that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: How will a 3rd get the deal done for Bell? Steelers are pretty much assured of a third round comp pick if they let him walk this offseason, no? It's what people who make a living gathering NFL info are reporting. My take is this: 1. He's owed a lot of money. 2. How many teams have the money to fit him in this year? 3. He could be a rental 4. He has had a lot of touches in his short career (his primary concern too) 5. Locker room dynamic 6. When is he going to be ready to play? As talented as he is, not very many teams can make it work. If a 3rd can get it done and you've worked out contract details behind scenes, you pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: How will a 3rd get the deal done for Bell? Steelers are pretty much assured of a third round comp pick if they let him walk this offseason, no? Comp pick wouldn’t be until 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I am going to be livid if we trade Shady, but if this is where it’s going...I want a WR back. Get a pick and get Agholor. Get a WR that can be on this team for the next 5 years or don’t bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I am going to be livid if we trade Shady, but if this is where it’s going...I want a WR back. Get a pick and get Agholor. Get a WR that can be on this team for the next 5 years or don’t bother. The Eagles are trying to repeat and will not give up any 1st line players in return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Eagles are trying to repeat and will not give up any 1st line players in return. Then I don’t want to trade him there. If they want our best player then I would want a good player that can help us now in return. The bills have the hammer here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I am going to be livid if we trade Shady, but if this is where it’s going...I want a WR back. Get a pick and get Agholor. Get a WR that can be on this team for the next 5 years or don’t bother. 10 picks in 2019. 11 or 12 if they deal Shady. They can get their own WRs. I don't want to see Shady dealt, but if they do, a player might not be a needed return. They take up cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, purple haze said: 10 picks in 2019. 11 or 12 if they deal Shady. They can get their own WRs. I don't want to see Shady dealt, but if they do, a player might not be a needed return. They take up cap space. I’m not interested in throwing away this entire season for a mid round pick. Wether people want to believe it or not, we still have a year here. We have plenty of picks already and more often then not, they end up being wasted anyway. Edited October 12, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not interested in throwing away this entire season for a mid round pick. Wether people want to believe it or not, we still have a year here. We have plenty of picks already and more often then not, they end up being wasted anyway. I have been critical of the regime for sure, Beane in particular, but we’re still in it. Sending Shady away would be a real gut punch. Edited October 12, 2018 by Mango 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not interested in throwing away this entire season for a mid round pick. Wether people want to believe it or not, we still have a year here. We have plenty of picks already and more often then not, they end up being wasted anyway. I prefer they keep him too. But we've seen how Beane operates. I've already started to try to wrap my mind around it. If they deal him it shouldn't be for any mid-round pick. And if most picks are wasted you want more of them not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I am going to be livid if we trade Shady, but if this is where it’s going...I want a WR back. Get a pick and get Agholor. Get a WR that can be on this team for the next 5 years or don’t bother. Why in the world would you be livid about the Bills getting compensation for Shady? He won't be back here next year anyway. Why not get what he can for him now, in what is a totally lost year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not interested in throwing away this entire season for a mid round pick. Wether people want to believe it or not, we still have a year here. We have plenty of picks already and more often then not, they end up being wasted anyway. I don't agree with your season outlook, but I respect it. What i agree with more is keeping McCoy unless they are going to pay up. They don't owe the eagles any favors. I don't particularly want Algholor, but if he comes with a pick, ok. I like the 2nd and 3rd floor. Algholor and a 3rd is ok. Which sounds ridiculous to ask, but why not? Again, they own nothing to Philadelphia in negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 We are kidding ourselves if we think that we are real contenders this year. This defense might be a playoff D but this offense isn’t. To me McCoy is at the ‘high point’ of value. The one team who may need his services has a prior relationship. If the Bills can maximize the return then I am all for it. McCoy isn’t the problem on the team. I resigned myself to the fact that 2018 was going to be about watching Allen, and our young D. I don’t expect much more than 7 wins. If you aren’t a Super Bowl team this year, you better be building one. McCoy’s age worries me. I think he can be productive this year and possibly next. I think injuries will become more frequent for McCoy. If Philly would give a player of need and a third, take it. I understand the message it sends. I also don’t think anyone in the locker room will care as much if Ivory can keep running like he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 34-14 May change peoples minds Maybe they trade Foles for Barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I think last night’s result makes it more likely the Eagles trade for a RB. They looked like contenders again and their starting RB had a huge fumble that he luckily recovered on replay. Adding McCoy or Bell could be difference between 10-6 and 12-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I understand there might have been a principle agreement until the bills insisted on throwing in K Benj too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Trade shady. Stockpile picks. Trade down, not up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not interested in throwing away this entire season for a mid round pick. Wether people want to believe it or not, we still have a year here. We have plenty of picks already and more often then not, they end up being wasted anyway. Put the crack pipe down and stop thinking short term. Long term benefit is trading shady and getting something for him. We aren’t going anywhere this season. We have a historic awful offense. Imagine this offense on the road in the playoffs against KC. Seriously? TRADE MCCOY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I think if we lose this weekend this trade goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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