Do you think Allen feels relief after the Diggs trade?

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

a lot of these fans are very relieved...https://finheaven.com/threads/bills-trading-diggs-to-texans.383194/

 

 

i cant' wait to see them cry after september again.

It's called "whistling through the graveyard" my friend.

[BBFL]

52 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I had heard about it back then and this was the first thing I found when I looked for it today. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/14/stefon-diggs-responds-to-bills-reporter-caught-on-hot-mic/

 

 

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That article is a weird one. Not sure what to make of her comments when she isn’t aware they’re being picked up/recorded for her then to completely backpedal and spin the opposite narrative to the hot mic.

 

Either she felt disrespected or Stefon is that guy…

 

Hope it’s neither but it’s one or the other so hopefully the latter as that’d be a shiesty move of her to try and get people in your work field to paint a picture due to your inside knowledge that’s incorrect. 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, BBFL said:

 
That article is a weird one. Not sure what to make of her comments when she isn’t aware they’re being picked up/recorded for her then to completely backpedal and spin the opposite narrative to the hot mic.

 

Either she felt disrespected or Stefon is that guy…

 

Hope it’s neither but it’s one or the other so hopefully the latter as that’d be a shiesty move of her to try and get people in your work field to paint a picture due to your inside knowledge that’s incorrect. 

 

She said it, she meant it, and of course she had to walk it back. It looks pretty simple, and it sounds like the truth to me after watching him getting in Josh’s face and all the other “cryptic tweet” stuff. His pattern here and in Minneapolis gives me no reason to believe she was inaccurate, just remorseful that it got out. She had zero to gain and much to lose (like her job) by that getting out. 

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I honestly don't think that the Bills do this without Allen give it a thumbs up.  

 

I think James Jones on one of those talk shows said the Bills figured out they can with without him.

 

Allen spreads the ball out well, maybe better than any QB in the league.  With Diggs getting up there in age, slowing down and Allen not having to worry about getting Diggs his targets....Allen could actually be better.  You can't force the balls to Diggs like it's 2020 or 2021 anymore.  Diggs will want his targets regardless if he's slowing down.

 

Allen can now just walk up to the line and can just throw it where he thinks its the best place to go rather than satisfying Diggs ego.  It has to be a relief IMO.

 

WR are diva's and probably will have to deal with something like this again but a more mature way.  I appreciate what Diggs did for us for 4 seasons but these, what Tim Graham said "micro aggressions" do get annoying, especially for Allen.

💯 

[Nephilim17]

I sure feel relief. And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. There's enough to worry about with the Bills trying to beat KC and all of the rest of our issues (cap, pass rush, secondary, the draft, the competition, etc.) without the constant questions of does our number 1 WR want to be here and does he get along with our franchise QB?

It's exhausting. I'm glad it's over.

[RobbRiddick]

Here's something that did occur to me. This might seem like an odd example but I do remember when Baker was playing with OBJ, when OBJ got injured Baker's stats dramatically improved because he wasn't trying to constantly force him the ball to appease him. Maybe there's been some of that with Josh and Diggs.

[Ballhawk]

 

56 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Unless you were in the room, you are only speculating 

Well, we know from Beane's interview that he informed Josh of trade discussions prior to the trade itself. Not sure if you consider informing 'involved', but yes, I agree we are both speculating about the degree to which Josh Allen was involved in this decision. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, teef said:

a lot of these fans are very relieved...https://finheaven.com/threads/bills-trading-diggs-to-texans.383194/

 

 

i cant' wait to see them cry after september again.

I like the comment about how the media will give Josh Allen a “ huge pass when he doesn’t play well “ next year because he doesn’t have receivers or Morse anymore …

 

One thing we have seen these past 6 years is the willingness of the media to give Josh Allen “passes”…

[Don Otreply]

Josh is likely happy to not have to deal with Diggs constant whimpering,  Josh like was said above liked having a quality WR at his disposal. I think the last straw for Diggs ego was the winning run the team went on and Shakir and Kincaid and Cook where getting targeted more and more frequently and the team was winning without Diggs being the constant go to option,  Diggs like Beasley made himself less valuable with his antics, so the team dumped him for a next years pick. Beane did his usual great job of not airing the teams dirty laundry in public. We will see Diggs play the good soldier for a year or so in Houston, then he will do the same sh-t all over again when age rears its head and his targets get reduced and then he gets waived/cut the following season. He can wear his pink bunny suit down in Texas now…, 

[Royale with Cheese]

47 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Here's something that did occur to me. This might seem like an odd example but I do remember when Baker was playing with OBJ, when OBJ got injured Baker's stats dramatically improved because he wasn't trying to constantly force him the ball to appease him. Maybe there's been some of that with Josh and Diggs.

 

The thought has crossed my mind that they don't go after one of the top WR's.  Double up late in the 1st and trade back up early in the 2nd.  

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The thought has crossed my mind that they don't go after one of the top WR's.  Double up late in the 1st and trade back up early in the 2nd.  

 

 

I feel like we do need to add to the lines - either a guard or 3T.  Safety is also a possibility for a guy who can potentially start day 1.  If they move up and grab someone in the first then I'd expect a 4th to be another WR and you use a pick to manuever your way around to get a guy you like that slips a little.  

 

NGL I bet Josh is excited for this draft, i know i am pumped.

 

 

[Yantha]

Now as for draft prospects to replace Diggs....

 

Give me a few top 10 prospects who will BURN you on the field, but are TEAM FIRST attitude players.

[teef]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I like the comment about how the media will give Josh Allen a “ huge pass when he doesn’t play well “ next year because he doesn’t have receivers or Morse anymore …

 

One thing we have seen these past 6 years is the willingness of the media to give Josh Allen “passes”…

There’s a lot of mental gymnastics over there.  It’s absolutely wonderful. 

[The Wiz]

 

[4th&long]

***** I do, he must!

[Mike in Horseheads]

Can't speak for Josh but I do! his nonsense got old

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I think superstar QB's can take good WR's and make them look much better.  They don't need to super great guy so think Allen will be fine with whoever is out there.

[Arkady Renko]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I think superstar QB's can take good WR's and make them look much better.  They don't need to super great guy so think Allen will be fine with whoever is out there.

He made Robert Foster look elite for a spell. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You have to assume both Allen and Brady gave their OKs.

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?!!

 

You’re damn right I did!

[Buftex]

I don't come here as much as I used to, so I am not sure if Tim Graham is still taboo here, but I've always liked him.  Just listening to his podcast tonight, and he told a interesting story about Diggs/Allen.  Apparently, after the opening game (the disaster against the Jets) Allen was sitting in front of his locker, towle draped over his head, obviously not happy, reflecting on his disastrous performance.  One by one, teammates were coming up to him, padding him on the shoulder, saying things like "we got your back", "we'll get them next week"... after multiple players tried to cheer Allen up, Diggs stepped up to him and said something.  Graham said he didn't report it at the time, because he wasn't sure what Diggs said...but apparently, it irritated Allen, and he yelled at him "It's one ***** game man!"

 

Also heard some rumors that during the season, Allen had expressed his unhappiness about always feeling like he had to "walk on eggshells" with Diggs.  

 

It was fun while it lasted, but I think this was the right move. 

 

 

[NoSaint]

12 hours ago, Beast said:

FWIW, Cowherd is claiming he heard Allen was getting tired of Diggs last off-season.

diggs is a good player but you only want to get the questions about his tweets, comments, missed workouts etc… so many times. 
 

fun while it lasted but completely predictable finish too. 
 

No hard feelings but diggs will be a hired hand and not a truly beloved bill when memories of this era crystallize. 

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

She said it, she meant it, and of course she had to walk it back. It looks pretty simple, and it sounds like the truth to me after watching him getting in Josh’s face and all the other “cryptic tweet” stuff. His pattern here and in Minneapolis gives me no reason to believe she was inaccurate, just remorseful that it got out. She had zero to gain and much to lose (like her job) by that getting out. 

yup.
 

also We don’t see a lot of his off field but if you set aside the basic he’s a player stuff- I think the “don’t want him to date my sister” was always more than just that he was prolific with women and also that not a lot of teammates would want him at their thanksgiving table, proverbially 

 

he’s talented, he’s hard working, he can contribute to winning but I think he likely struggles immensely with who he is vs who he wants to be seen as. Charisma and success buy him a lot of plausible deniability but there are a lot of reasons to think he’s not consistently pleasant. I do think he wants to be liked/admired.

Edited April 5 by NoSaint

[nedboy7]

12 hours ago, NoSaint said:

diggs is a good player but you only want to get the questions about his tweets, comments, missed workouts etc… so many times. 
 

fun while it lasted but completely predictable finish too. 
 

No hard feelings but diggs will be a hired hand and not a truly beloved bill when memories of this era crystallize. 

 

He has been the best WR over a 4 year period in Bills history.  The trade doesn't change that fact.  He has had a pivotal role in the success of the franchise.  No need to rewrite history due to the current situation. 

[nbbillsfan]

I saw Josh on the golf course yesterday playing with Herbert, he looked like a happy dude. 

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

He has been the best WR over a 4 year period in Bills history.  The trade doesn't change that fact.  He has had a pivotal role in the success of the franchise.  No need to rewrite history due to the current situation. 

where did I say he wasn’t good? 
 

it was absolutely fun while it lasted as they are talented guys accomplishing impressive things. 
 

He will likely not be beloved in the way tre, our safeties, or going back a Fred Jackson or Kyle Williams were. 
 

he was a great football player. He may be more of a good bill though. 
 

do you believe he will be remembered as a beloved icon of Buffalo football in this era, or moreso as a high achiever here in passing?

Edited April 5 by NoSaint

[zevo]

On 4/4/2024 at 11:16 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Diggs doesn’t get traded unless Allen okayed it. Allen wanted him gone or felt they’d be better without him.

This is correct. 👍🏻 

[DCofNC]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:48 AM, Dr. K said:

I'm sure he would like at least one more high quality WR, but I also expect he is somewhat relieved and looking forward rather than backward. 

 

It offers him the opportunity to demonstrate that his success was and is not dependent on Diggs. 

Oh no, the only way he proves it’s him is if everyone including Kincaid prove to be complete busts.  The rest of the world is convinced “Diggs made Allen”, but if they get a rookie who puts up numbers and shows out as a true #1, the narrative will be that WR is a stud and Allen kicked out again.  Forget the fact he’s made Diggs, Brown and Beasley have their best years ever, but yeah, it’s all Diggs.

 

I think Allen is going to have to shoulder a little more this year, and he best come in ready.  That said, he has the chance to show the world what we all know, this is his team, he IS the Alpha dog of the team and the arguably the league. 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, nbbillsfan said:

I saw Josh on the golf course yesterday playing with Herbert, he looked like a happy dude. 

Ya. He's golfing in Southern California 

[8BallSippin]

Josh Allen strikes me as the guy who called up the current roster of receivers, and talked to them about how they will replace Diggs' production.   Yes we will add some draft picks, but to start, its the other guys we have signed that will need to elevate.

 

I'd venture to guess he's glad to see a guy who didn't want to be here, go on his way..

 

I just think we will be better off....

[Mat68]

Allen got a gorilla off his back.  Diggs was positioned to receive his lowest target share and count in his for years in Buffalo.  The film and analytics point to a declining player.  His contract paired with his attitude made the move the obvious one.  Consider similar aged wrs could gain more than a 4th a likely top 40 or 50 pick made too much sense. 

[fan_in_tx]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:27 AM, Ballhawk said:

All I kept thinking was how the "You sure" comment on twitter would feel if I were his quarterback. Contrast that against the famous T. Owens interview where he teared up and said "that's my quarterback!"Online comments are always open to interpretation, but how could Josh not see that "You sure" comment and not feel somewhat salty.

 

QB/WR relationships are delicate, even Diva WR's usually know they have to maintain them. Once a WR starts thinking he is the cause of the success and is carrying the QB you have a serious problem. The good news is that any WR Diva's that join the Bills moving forward will be joining a team with a mature established elite QB. These types of QB's set the tone (even with Diva WR's), moreover they win with only average to good one's (see most Tom Brady's NE years and Patrick Mahones in 2023).

 

I think we'll see a fired up Josh Allen next year. The league should be afraid of JA out to prove he didn't need Diggs.

 

This being the case will Diggs help or hurt CJ once the ball starts going somewhere else?

 

[Billl]

On 4/4/2024 at 1:23 PM, Chaos said:

Unless you were in the room, you are only speculating 

There is zero chance they didn’t get his approval before making this trade. Josh is more important than anyone in the organization other than Pegula. Can you imagine the Chiefs trading Kelce without consulting Mahomes?  That would never happen. 

[julian]

2 hours ago, nbbillsfan said:

I saw Josh on the golf course yesterday playing with Herbert, he looked like a happy dude. 

So Herbert is a lazy bum with poor work ethic too, why aren’t they playing catch and getting ready for a SB run… bums

[GunnerBill]

Josh and Diggs have been basically done with each other for over a year. Maybe we find out one day what caused the relationship that was once so tight to fracture so badly. But the reality is they both put on a brave face and praised each other through gritted teeth last year. 

 

Josh was 100% on board with the decision to move on and indeed I suspect he was even encouraging it.

[steven50]

I am pretty sure he is at least a little happy Diggs is gone. If you see his interviews about Kincaid he kind of chides and teases him ("rookie!") while praising him. When he talks about Diggs its like walking on egg shells.

[JerseyBills]

Saw on twitter that Diggs was yapping at Josh while he was talking to Kyle Allen n Josh said " it's only 1 f***ing game" and kept it moving

[Rich Stadium Original]

I can't believe that this deal all just came together a few days ago without a backup plan that allowed it to happen. 

Whether it's a yet announced handshake deal for a veteran receiver, or trade-in-principal agreements to move up on draft day for a highly graded receiver, I think that's what allowed Beane to make the move. 

I don't think Allen had any say in the matter, but Beane surely wants to keep him motivated and the rumor that Allen "approved" of the deal is because Beane told him what the plan for the team is. Of course this is ALL speculation on my part.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh and Diggs have been basically done with each other for over a year. Maybe we find out one day what caused the relationship that was once so tight to fracture so badly. But the reality is they both put on a brave face and praised each other through gritted teeth last year. 

 

Josh was 100% on board with the decision to move on and indeed I suspect he was even encouraging it.

 

My tinfoil hat was the tweet that broke the camels back.  I think Diggs is someone that you have to walk around on egg shells and I think Allen knew that Diggs was exploring trades.  That tweet came out and Allen texted Beane "done with this his s***, ship him."

[without a drought]

I'm sure Josh is more concerned about Diggs and Davis being gone than most fans. 

 

There is still the draft etc..., but until there are replacements on the actual roster, he might not be that relieved. 

[Ayjent]

Look regardless of his success here, for all of his competitive fire and “accountability” he held his teammates to, he didn’t hold up to his own standard when he had the chance to.  Josh gave him the opportunity to be the man, the star of getting the chiefs monkey off their back.  He shrunk in the moment, and he demonstrated to everyone that he didn’t make the team better at the most crucial time.  At that point he is immediately expendable if there is a willing partner, especially with that contract.  Throw in everything else and it was nearly a necessity.  I like the competitive fire and extreme desire to win, but if you’re going to be that and get paid to be that guy and given the chance to show out that you are what you say you are, then you can’t crap in your hat and disappear when you are to blame.   A play can change so much, but the way it went down made it an easy calculation.   
 

The Bills lost a great talent but also have a chance to see if a different combination is the one that makes them better.  But they need to nail it in this draft all over the place.  WR C DL S.  Beane just put the pressure on himself but let’s see how this goes.