Is Diggs done?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The Bills need a WR1 quality player to play with Diggs next year. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I mean he's been poor lately 

[Pete]

7 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

16 outta 23 passes went to our RB or TE so KC’s D had an impact. Josh had Gabe wide open for a TD on the FG but didn’t see him or that would of been a big WR play.

 

Not worried about Diggs but Brady needs to scheme up some better designed plays besides horizontal throws to Diggs.

People keep saying Josh didn’t see Gabe.  Josh was running his life, trying to keep the play alive.  Better protection, Josh would see Gabe, but he was under duress

2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

This dialogue is silly.  You think Justin Jefferson or Cooper Kupp need a number 2?  I also think you have plenty of weapons to throw too that other teams will focus on.  Anyways if he started catching some of the easy drops it wouldn't be a problem.  He's definitely off right now.

Josh needs a 1A or stud 2 WR.

you see in all 22 often, Bills WR do not get separation 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Pete

[HOUSE]

I am quite sure Diggs is playing with an injury. I am guessing  a shoulder.

 

[Magox]

It’s becoming quite clear to me that we need to go after a WR with our 1st round pick.   Gabe is not the answer at the #2 and at some point in the not so distant future Diggs won’t be a high end #1.   
 

Another high end WR and quality DT should be off season priorities.

[ProcessTruster]

He's not done, just double covered every play.  Plus teams play almost all cover 2 over top.   Teams decided to take Diggs away this year, and they are doing so.   Josh needs to go elsewhere with the ball most times.  Make them pay for doubling Diggs.  Run him straight down the field every play and throw underneath,  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I felt he was held and interfered with a number of times.  They were also hitting him early and often. 

[BBFL]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

You type really well after being lynched. 
 

Must be a pain in the neck!

Learning to type again was a really drawn out process. 

I have no idea how I hung in there. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

He's been too busy reading Dunne's 300 page report about McD to do any film work or practice 

Reading that, and seeing all you fokkers making fun of his travelling attire in the 'It's Chiefs Week' thread. 😡 (Myself included. 🥲)

 

[Bob Jones]

9 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Others no… but Brady stop throwing illogical swings passes that don’t work to get him involved.

What I've seen all year long....from many teams across the league....is that these swing passes/side screens always seem to have plenty of blockers out there, but one or two of the defenders pretty much always beats their blocker, and then makes the tackle. The play only seems to be successful about 25% of the time, but they sure do like to run it. 😂

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Has Dunne been banned from the Bills locker room and facility?   He sure created a sh1### show!

 

He doesn't have credentials so he was not allowed there in the first place.

[Dopey]

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[Da webster guy]

12 hours ago, Perry Turtle said:

I don't know if he's done, but they need to toss those WR Screens to him out of the playbook.  Diggs is an elite route runner.  He's not a speed guy.  Stop wasting him and downs on those stupid play calls.

I think they tried that four or five times yesterday.  The verdict is in on that play, it has proven itself to be unproductive.  The cowboys will be ready for that play which reeks of pick 6 if you know it's coming.

 

We need a legit OC so badly.  

 

Approaching the end of the half Josh was on the field with his hands over his ears waiting for a play call from upstairs yelling "what are we doing?  Give me something!"

 

Sorry Josh, we should have given you Dhop, and an innovative OC.  You got Trent Sherfield and Joe Brady.  

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Have people actually played football before? I think people think if a wr doesn’t have 100 yards every game, they suck. Why do you think Cook was so effective? Or Kincaid? Diggs draws coverage and makes it easier for other players. So he can have a huge impact on the game with a monster stat game. 
 

that said, how happy will be doing that all time is a better question. Because he will get Gilmore (Bills fans thought he wasn’t good 😂) so it could be a similar role for him this week 

[PayDaBill$]

11 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

I think they tried that four or five times yesterday.  The verdict is in on that play, it has proven itself to be unproductive.  The cowboys will be ready for that play which reeks of pick 6 if you know it's coming.

 

We need a legit OC so badly.  

 

Approaching the end of the half Josh was on the field with his hands over his ears waiting for a play call from upstairs yelling "what are we doing?  Give me something!"

 

Sorry Josh, we should have given you Dhop, and an innovative OC.  You got Trent Sherfield and Joe Brady.  

 

Hum 32 37 and 20 pts against very good defenses isn’t getting it done for you? I think our new OC is showing a lot of promise and potential 3 games in. 
 

More concerned about the Defense / McD closing games out. JAs pick yesterday was almost a killer, just a bad decision. He has to throw that away, that’s not Brady’s fault.

Edited December 11, 2023 by PayDaBill$

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Have people actually played football before? I think people think if a wr doesn’t have 100 yards every game, they suck.

 

Diggs has dropped more passes over the past 3 weeks than I can remember in his entire Bills career.

 

No idea why, but he has.

 

Nothing to do with not having 100 yards.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Diggs has dropped more passes over the past 3 weeks than I can remember in his entire Bills career.

 

No idea why, but he has.

 

Nothing to do with not having 100 yards.

Still hungover from his birthday party. Hangovers last longer in your 30s.

Edited December 11, 2023 by C.Biscuit97

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

I felt he was held and interfered with a number of times.  They were also hitting him early and often. 

 

On our last series where we ended up kicking the go ahead FG, we went to Diggs twice and he got absolutely MUGGED both times. Sneed was wrapped around him, and had his left arm pinned down before the ball was even close.

 

No call. Looks like a bad drop for Diggs.

 

Dude is a baller. Look how he picked up that 1st down earlier in the game.

 

I agree he might be dinged up. But he hasnt given up or checked out.

 

Still crazy to me how much Bills fans want to find a reason to disparage this guy.

[Awwufelloff]

lol these threads

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

On our last series where we ended up kicking the go ahead FG, we went to Diggs twice and he got absolutely MUGGED both times. Sneed was wrapped around him, and had his left arm pinned down before the ball was even close.

 

No call. Looks like a bad drop for Diggs.

 

Dude is a baller. Look how he picked up that 1st down earlier in the game.

 

I agree he might be dinged up. But he hasnt given up or checked out.

 

Still crazy to me how much Bills fans want to find a reason to disparage this guy.

That’s the chiefs defense in a nutshell….hold every wr and let Chris jones do his thing.  I knew they were gonna get smoked in that tb sb a few years back the second one or two defensive holdings got called 😂.that chiefs defense with Nick Bolton back in the lineup is absolutely nasty 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

20 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

I think they tried that four or five times yesterday.  The verdict is in on that play, it has proven itself to be unproductive.  The cowboys will be ready for that play which reeks of pick 6 if you know it's coming.

 

We need a legit OC so badly.  

 

Approaching the end of the half Josh was on the field with his hands over his ears waiting for a play call from upstairs yelling "what are we doing?  Give me something!"

 

Sorry Josh, we should have given you Dhop, and an innovative OC.  You got Trent Sherfield and Joe Brady.  

 

 

Was a first down to shakir and sherfield when they ran it.  Basically its the same RPO - if the OLB crashes you throw that every time.  They know its coming but they have 2 blockers vs. 2 DBs and you can run to the sideline for an easy gain.  If the OLB doesn't crash you can hand off and you have a better count.  

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

On our last series where we ended up kicking the go ahead FG, we went to Diggs twice and he got absolutely MUGGED both times. Sneed was wrapped around him, and had his left arm pinned down before the ball was even close.

 

No call. Looks like a bad drop for Diggs.

 

Dude is a baller. Look how he picked up that 1st down earlier in the game.

 

I agree he might be dinged up. But he hasnt given up or checked out.

 

Still crazy to me how much Bills fans want to find a reason to disparage this guy.

 

It was a rough drop at the end of the game, most people want to run there and see how KC plays with their timeouts.  I kinda didn't hate passing there simply because playing for 3 only works if you can get the first down.  Otherwise you may as well try and score 7 if you're giving mahomes the ball back with 2ish minutes.  

[JMM]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The Bills need a WR1 quality player to play with Diggs next year. 

THIS!!! That will change everything.  HAS to be our first rd pick. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Did everyone forget he had a back injury a few weeks ago  

[Jauronimo]

4 catches on 11 targets last night for 24 yards.

[Warriorspikes51]

41 minutes ago, JMM said:

THIS!!! That will change everything.  HAS to be our first rd pick. 

Yes. I'd be willing to trade up as high as we can to get a top WR

[Einstein's Dog]

No, Diggs is not done.  IMO, he is playing through an injury which happens.  May need the same thing next week, having a hurt Diggs will still draw Gilmore.

 

Diggs hasn't been getting the calls IMO.  Looks like several times he got mugged.  

 

There have been more drops from him than usual.  And the drop at 2:12 is borderline inexcusable.   

 

I do like that he is being quiet.  Don't give excuses.  Don't get caught up in controversy.  Stay quiet let your rejuvenated play the last few weeks and into playoffs say what is needed.  As mentioned his play may not stand out against Dallas but he should be getting more calls at home.

[BillsDad51]

I don't think Diggs is a big fan of those screens. The drops could be a result of him taking his eye off the ball to see if a DB or LB is going to knock his head off.

[T master]

NO !! Although there have been a couple of passes he's dropped the last few games they are trying to take him away from the passing game because they know he is the main man so they put there best on him every game but he will be there when needed .

 

They have enough weapons at their disposal that Josh can make up for him as long as he see's the field I wish he had seen Gabe on that 1 play wide open down the middle that would have helped secure a bit of a cushion but they got this one !!

 

GO BILLS !!!! 

[Charles Romes]

Chris Simms (who is very pro-Allen) on the Herd today said the Bills wideouts are being handled with a lot of man to man and said Diggs is not on the level of even an Adams or an AJ Brown. 

[corta765]

17 hours ago, BBFL said:

Secondly, someone said it best in the GDT; how does Stefon get a pass for drops but Davis and the rest of the gang get burned at the stake?!

 

Oh I was fuming about his drops yesterday and lack of play/focus. But he generally is good and consistent, Davis especially is more dependable to drop the ball then catch it. It is why when he was open late in the endzone on the FG drive I think Josh stopped looking at him given he wasn't doing anything all day.

[Mr. WEO]

He usually doesn't disappear until a season ending game.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

He was nonexistent today.  He dropped at least two screens. Sheffield was in for him again multiple times on key downs.

What is going with him and the WR corps more generally?? Was it scheme or is he experiencing a major drop off?

 

Gabe also put up another donut.

 

Josh was struggling all game to find anyone to throw it to.

 

 

It's been the standing #1 need on this team for the two years Gabe has been in the WR2 role:

 

There is no other boundary WR on this team that presents any sort of physical mismatch and playmaking. 

[Chicken Boo]

He's closer to done than he is prime.  Part of this is on play calling and not *moving Diggs around more.  He doesn't line up in the slot enough for my liking. 

 

Instead of the 1st round DB a lot of you will be coveting this offseason, we need to find his eventual replacement even more so.  

 

I'd like a more explosive WR1.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[SCBills]

RD1 has to be an outside WR..  Regardless of what they do with Davis.

 

We need the ability to move Diggs into the slot more as he gets older. 

[HappyDays]

The stats indicate what a lot of us have been seeing. Most alarming is that in the last 4 games he has a NEGATIVE EPA per target. A 9.7% drop rate which rivals even Davis's worst stretches.

 

He has not played like a #1 WR for several weeks now IMO.

 

Here's the full text of that tweet for those who can't see it:

 

Quote

Notable Diggs' Stats

 

Weeks 1-10

Team Target % - 30.7%

EPA/Target - .31

Yards per Route run - 2.37

Explosives per Target % - 18.6%

1st downs per target - 42.2%

Success % - 52%

Drop % - 3%

Route Depth - 6.6

 

Weeks 11-14

Team Target % - 26.3%📉

EPA/Target - -.20🤮

Yards per Route run - 1.01🤮

Explosives per Target % - 3.3%🤮

1st downs per target - 16.7%🤮

Success % - 30%🤮

Drop % - 9.7%🤮

Route Depth - 7.05

 

Whatever they are doing with Diggs now, they need to stop.

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by HappyDays

[DrDawkinstein]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The stats indicate what a lot of us have been seeing. Most alarming is that in the last 4 games he has a NEGATIVE EPA per target. A 9.7% drop rate which rivals even Davis's worst stretches.

 

He has not played like a #1 WR for several weeks now IMO.

 

Here's the full text of that tweet for those who can't see it:

 

 

 

Funny you and others say it as "Diggs hasnt played..." while Erik and other analysts are talking more about the scheme and how Brady is using him.

 

What was the big change at the week 10 drop off?

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Funny you and others say it as "Diggs hasnt played..." while Erik and other analysts are talking more about the scheme and how Brady is using him.

 

What was the big change at the week 10 drop off?

 

I don't see how it could be because Brady took over. His route depth has gone up slightly since week 10 so it isn't just because we're throwing more screens. His drop percentage skyrocketing isn't because of Brady. For whatever reason he has just been off his game for a few weeks, I don't think there is an explanation.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 12/11/2023 at 1:37 PM, Charles Romes said:

Chris Simms (who is very pro-Allen) on the Herd today said the Bills wideouts are being handled with a lot of man to man and said Diggs is not on the level of even an Adams or an AJ Brown. 

 

Eh - he was getting absolutely mugged by sneed that entire game with 0 calls.   

[Gregg]

So far, he has 83 catches for 969 yards and 8 TD's. Definitely not done but the Bills will need to draft a WR in the 2024 draft to either compliment him as the #2 or an eventual #1 replacement. Diggs is 30 which isn't old but at some point, he will lose a step and would be better off as a #2 WR.

[Lost]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Funny you and others say it as "Diggs hasnt played..." while Erik and other analysts are talking more about the scheme and how Brady is using him.

 

What was the big change at the week 10 drop off?

 

I don't think it's scheme that's causing him to drop easy WR screen passes.