Yantha Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: When Q was cut, I expected a move. I don't see any way McDermott would be comfortable with having our Backups at OT being two guys who have never played a regular season snap before. Though a 1st Round Pick who didn't get his 5th year option picked up and then was released early by 2 teams already this offseason doesn't invoke a lot of faith in me. But at least he has starting experience and has attributes that made him a 1st Rounder. I'd call this a lateral move. Not so much an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Keep Dodson and cut Matakevich. Dodson is not the S/T player that Matakevich is. And if we sign Kirksey, Dodsons role is relegated to 2nd/3rd string...where we have a 2nd year player in Bernard (who isn't going to be much worse, likely similar or better in some aspects). Then likely Klein on P/S, again not much drop off from Dodson, if any. All contingent on signing Kirskey, but Dodson has no role IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Good not great veteran backup/spot starter. You think we’re going to get great back up right now? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 45.4 rating on PFF in 2022 (on 8 snaps) Edited August 30, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Dodson is not the S/T player that Matakevich is. And if we sign Kirksey, Dodsons role is relegated to 2nd/3rd string...where we have a 2nd year player in Bernard (who isn't going to be much worse, likely similar or better in some aspects). Then likely Klein on P/S, again not much drop off from Dodson, if any. All contingent on signing Kirskey, but Dodson has no role IMO. I’m gonna let everyone know right now. Bernard is not an nfl MLB Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: 45.4 rating on PFF in 2022 My god beane. Someone worse than saffold 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Dodson is not the S/T player that Matakevich is. And if we sign Kirksey, Dodsons role is relegated to 2nd/3rd string...where we have a 2nd year player in Bernard (who isn't going to be much worse, likely similar or better in some aspects). Then likely Klein on P/S, again not much drop off from Dodson, if any. All contingent on signing Kirskey, but Dodson has no role IMO. Great points! Hopefully Kirksey signs. Dodson and Matakevich are both at the bottom of the 53 for me as well and I am fine with both not being on roster in order to keep the extra OT (Ifedi) and Kirksey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Why do we need 10 offensive linemen? How is this guy more valuable than Boogie Basham when we only have two DEs under contract for next year? 🤔 Offensive lineman represent about 22% of a team's players on the field in a game (five linemen on all offensive plays, 50/50 snap distribution between offense and D). If there are 10 OL on the roster, that's 18% of the roster. Sounds right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: He’s no Bobby Hart but I’ll allow it. I mean.... isn't that like.... a good thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Thank you. Good signing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I thought it was a little weird that they cut our vet backups. I know they weren't very good but they have always tried to keep vets in reserve. On another note, this guy must not have gotten the scoop about the strip clubs before he signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: That's the objective. Are we sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, balln said: I’m gonna let everyone know right now. Bernard is not an nfl MLB My god beane. Someone worse than saffold PFF grades are throwing random darts. They gave Torrence a similar grade in the preseason game where he was solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Haha. Can’t make this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: 45.4 rating on PFF in 2022 (on 8 snaps) PFF isn't inherently trustworthy in the best of circumstances, but like you said his 2022 grade is based on just 8 total snaps which makes that grade meaningless. And every one of those snaps was a run block. He's a better pass blocker. Here are his pass block/run block grades from 2020 and 2021 when he had 1,115 and 412 snaps respectively: 2020: Pass block - 65.6 Run block - 62.2 2021: Pass block - 70.7 Run block - 58.6 Those pass block numbers put him in a mid-backup to low end starter tier by PFF's metrics. I'm satisfied with Van Demark and Ifedi as the LT/RT backups. They're both better than Quessenberry at this stage of his career IMO, the only advantage he had over them is that he takes up one roster spot instead of two. Edited August 30, 2023 by HappyDays 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Oh Beane😔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, Airseven said: Oh Beane😔 okay I’ll play. Who else would you have liked for backup OT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: okay I’ll play. Who else would you have liked for backup OT? No clue. But I’ve seen Ifedi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Airseven said: No clue. But I’ve seen Ifedi. How much have you seen him play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, balln said: My god. Enough with Carolina You are aware that a right tackle plays on the offensive side of the ball, correct? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: okay I’ll play. Who else would you have liked for backup OT? The obvious answer is Jason Peters but something tells me he wasn't interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: False starts on the OL is a tough thing. It's almost an involuntary reaction which is hard to coach out. I hope the whole line is more disciplined. Quote Ifedi, 29, was a first-round draft choice of the Seattle Seahawks in the 2016 NFL Draft. Ifedi started 13 games at right guard for the Seahawks as a rookie. He spent three more seasons with Seattle and started 47 more games, all of which came at right tackle. He allowed 21 sacks and committed 52 penalties in his four years with the Seahawks, including an incredible (and league-leading) 19 penalties in his first season at right tackle back in 2017. In two seasons with the Bears, he committed just nine penalties and allowed just four sacks, showing significant improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Meh. He has always really kinda sucked. A typical John Schneider first round reach. That said, he has started a lot of games in the NFL and given they have moved on from Quess it was going to be someone of this ilk. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Airseven said: No clue. But I’ve seen Ifedi. So another words you got nothing as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: Dodson is not the S/T player that Matakevich is. And if we sign Kirksey, Dodsons role is relegated to 2nd/3rd string...where we have a 2nd year player in Bernard (who isn't going to be much worse, likely similar or better in some aspects). Then likely Klein on P/S, again not much drop off from Dodson, if any. All contingent on signing Kirskey, but Dodson has no role IMO. If Dodson had definitively "lost" the job to Bernard he'd be out. I think what is tricky is we haven't seen Bernard take a snap and the last time they were both on the field at Fisher Dodson was ahead in that competition. We are now saying he has lost it through his own play, and I understand that, but what if Bernard is worse? I always thought the winner of that battle starts anf the loser is cut. But there isn't really a winner at this stage. There is a loser and a total unknown. The other way of creating a space is Spector on short term IR. That might give them time to evaluate Bernard while bringing in another vet like Kirksey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Success said: How much have you seen him play? Speaking for myself, a lot. He isn't very good. Big guy with bad technique who has been a part of some awful O Lines. But he has started 80 NFL games and they needed a break glass in case of emergency tackle with some starting experience and who would sign for, or close to, vet minimum having cut Quess. Ifedi is at least younger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I know it's not rational, but my enthusiasm died when I read an article that lumped Ifedi with another player we all know well. "The Lions also released offensive linemen Germain Ifedi and Bobby Hart. Both players have extensive experience and could land as depth for other teams at some point in the future." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: "expected to sign" not "signed" Betting he waits until after we can IR a couple guys We need 8 OL active on game day. Since they tend to get injured, 10 is not unreasonable - we've kept that many before How many DE and DT do you think we ought to keep? In case you've lost track, we've currently got 10 DL plus Von Miller on the roster.... so we should keep 11 DL plus Miller and only 9 OL? We have signed him. By my count we are at 53. We have cut Reid Ferguson. He is waiting in the car park. Shakir or Spector to IR is my guess. 3 hours ago, BillsFooteball said: Someone who knows way more about o-line than myself let me know is this an upgrade over Q in your opinion? Clearly bills do but everything I read this guy was (is?) a penalty machine and revolving door. Similar standard of player. Might have more left in the tank than Quess given their respective ages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We have signed him. By my count we are at 53. We have cut Reid Ferguson. He is waiting in the car park. Shakir or Spector to IR is my guess. It's been reported Shorter and Spector are expected to go to short term IR. I expect us to sign a LB or a WR to the 53 tomorrow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiMark Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: Yeah ideally Van Demark would be backup LT, Ifedi would be backup RT. In a perfect world we'd have a single swing tackle but it's better than nothing. On game days only one will be active, so we likely will have one swing T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, balln said: My god. Enough with Carolina it’s either Carolina or always injured linemen for Beano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, balln said: My god. Enough with Carolina It strikes me as disturbing that we can see Beane dealing so heavy with Giants and Carolina. 29 other teams. Suggests an awful blinders situation for seeing the entire league. WE shouldn’t be able to pinpoint ANY trends like that!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The obvious answer is Jason Peters but something tells me THE BILLS WEREN'T interested. Fixed it. So did Ifedi actually sign? Edited August 30, 2023 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I always wanted a Germain on this team Yesterday was big 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I think this guy is OK. Supposedly better in pass blocking, so he fits us. He could be Daryl Williams 2.0 in the one season he shined for the Bills. Could push Brown, and is better than Quessenberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Probably the best you could do in late August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Gotta love Bills fans. We just signed a player with a lot of starting experience to be a depth guy, and posters are acting like Beane is dumber than a bag of rocks for doing so. LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hsker4life said: Gotta love Bills fans. We just signed a player with a lot of starting experience to be a depth guy, and posters are acting like Beane is dumber than a bag of rocks for doing so. LOL. that because they want 53 all pro's, when it just doesn't work that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hsker4life said: Gotta love Bills fans. We just signed a player with a lot of starting experience to be a depth guy, and posters are acting like Beane is dumber than a bag of rocks for doing so. LOL. It’s hard for fans to understand offensive line talent is scarce. A lot of bad OL start in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Meh. He has always really kinda sucked. A typical John Schneider first round reach. That said, he has started a lot of games in the NFL and given they have moved on from Quess it was going to be someone of this ilk. I was so excited and then you had to come along and ruin it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Are we keeping 10 OL or is Alec Anderson a potential cut now? Id be disappointed if that’s the case, as Anderson looks really promising as a G/C, and with multiple years left on his deal. Anderson did not look good in his RT try out, so signing Ifedi makes all the sense in the world, but I really hope it’s a LB on the way out over a promising young OL piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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