akcash Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Maybe But paying a bunch of above average guys isn't the way imo 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Hope so and hope its cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, akcash said: Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think? I don’t think so unless they get a great deal from him. I think he’ll get paid decently by some team next offseason and that it’ll be more than the Bills want to (or reasonably can) pay him. The Bills were already top 3 in cash spending this season prior to the Oliver extension. They’ll likely move up to #2 with that included. Incidentally they only trail the Browns and Ravens now. That’s three of the teams that keep getting connected to Hopkins already spending the most cash now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I really would like us to pay Jones and lock him up. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, akcash said: Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think? Wouldn't be opposed, but let's be honest. On the open market he'd be worth far more (money wise) to another team than he would to us. Gabe would easily command 15 per in FA. I don't see the Bills coming even close to matching that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Honestly I actually understand Oliver and why they did it but Gabe Davis is a number 3 receiver masquerading as a number 2 receiver and is not worth the 10-15 million a year he’s going to want. Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific. 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I think/hope the Oliver deal means we are going WR#1 hunting during next year's draft (if Hopkins falls through). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 8M a year? Sure. I wouldn’t pay him more than that- maybe 10, but that’s pushing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Why would they do that without knowing what they have in Shakir or Short? No. No extension. If they do Beane really needs to be evaluated. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I believe it's already in the works. There have been quite a few times this off-season where Beane mentioned getting Oliver and Davis re-signed in the same sentence. He's done everything but tattoo it across his forehead and yet many still don't believe it. Getting Oliver extended was step one in the process. That cleared money for the eventual Davis extension. I expect them to make an offer. Now, wether Davis takes it and signs or decides to bet on himself to have a breakout year, stay healthy and see a potential bigger payday in the off-season is another story. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) I doubt it from a cap perspective. He’s getting less than 3 million. I could see an extension during the season but not now. They need the little money 💰 they have for Nuk or a FA DE. Definitely in play for Nuk if they want. Edited June 4, 2023 by Paul Costa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I'd slot him somewhere between Zay Jones and Valdez Scantling. Which would put him in the 8-10m AAV range. Agree with OP, I'm a Gabe fan. He can't do everything some teams ask their #2 WRs to do, but he is a great downfield WR and young/still ability to improve. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said: I think/hope the Oliver deal means we are going WR#1 hunting during next year's draft (if Hopkins falls through). I was thinking either WR or DE with next year's 1st round pick. A young guy to go with Rousseau and Miller. Miller's age concerns me tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I have a feeling Gabe would prefer a warm weather city to play in, along with a hefty contract. I don’t see him staying around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: I have a feeling Gabe would prefer a warm weather city to play in, along with a hefty contract. I don’t see him staying around. Why? His mom said Buffalo is perfect for Gabe. From everything anyone in the know has said, he wants to be in Buffalo long term. He can go to Florida in the off-season, and then focuses on football, with some hunting/fishing etc during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 47 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Honestly I actually understand Oliver and why they did it but Gabe Davis is a number 3 receiver masquerading as a number 2 receiver and is not worth the 10-15 million a year he’s going to want. Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific. I think this is exactly what they'll do. With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies, you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2. See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 55 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said: I think/hope the Oliver deal means we are going WR#1 hunting during next year's draft (if Hopkins falls through). Push the chips for MH2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I was thinking either WR or DE with next year's 1st round pick. A young guy to go with Rousseau and Miller. Miller's age concerns me tbh. That makes. I just like the odds of either of those scenarios better when you don't have another hole you need to adequately fill. Ideally, I'd like to see Gabe absolutely ball out this season and get paid (by someone else). Then we move up from the last pick of round 1 to attempt to find our next Diggs. So our core is Diggs, Round 1 future Diggs, and Shorter who by this point has rounded into the Gabe Davis we have today. Solved. Make it happen BB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I doubt it, but the reaction here would be hilarious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 52 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific. Very interested in this point, as I'm not a close follower of draft classes. Frankly, I'm amazed by board members who have good knowledge of this stuff. If you have a sec: Who looks good as late Rd 1? Also, to the Op point: over, say, 2 year period, might XYZ "resolve" our WR2/3 issue in the event GD leaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Please no. Team just overpaid Ed Oliver about $9 million per year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I believe it's already in the works. There have been quite a few times this off-season where Beane mentioned getting Oliver and Davis re-signed in the same sentence. He's done everything but tattoo it across his forehead and yet many still don't believe it. Getting Oliver extended was step one in the process. That cleared money for the eventual Davis extension. I expect them to make an offer. Now, wether Davis takes it and signs or decides to bet on himself to have a breakout year, stay healthy and see a potential bigger payday in the off-season is another story. How exactly does extending Oliver "clear money" for a Davis extension?Guess I'm not following . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 There is zero reason to do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, akcash said: Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think? OH! Don’t tease me like that! I wouldn’t be able to look away for how this Board would melt down! THAT is must see internet! . Edited June 4, 2023 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dukestreetking said: Very interested in this point, as I'm not a close follower of draft classes. Frankly, I'm amazed by board members who have good knowledge of this stuff. If you have a sec: Who looks good as late Rd 1? Also, to the Op point: over, say, 2 year period, might XYZ "resolve" our WR2/3 issue in the event GD leaves? If you have the time profootballnetwork had an excellent article on it last week the top 5 next year would arguably have been the number 1 receiver this year https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-wrs-nfl-draft-2024/ Edited June 4, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I think this is exactly what they'll do. With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies, you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2. See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets. I agree LA I think the Kincaid factor looms large here if he gets caught up to the offense in short order it’s less targets for Gabe as I think the Bills feel they can get away with draft a young number 2 and not skip a beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I really like Gabe but this was too good to not post in this thread. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 hmm , could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 For a decent price absolutely For all the criticism, he is a big time playmaker 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 35 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: For a decent price absolutely For all the criticism, he is a big time playmaker And he plays a huge amount of snaps. And he plays hurt. And he plays big boy football. He’s not perfect, but you know what you get with that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said: How exactly does extending Oliver "clear money" for a Davis extension?Guess I'm not following . His cap number for this season comes wayyyyy down most likely. Been widely speculated that it could add anywhere from $4-7M off the cap for this year. That would open the door to re-sign Davis and backload his contract a bit to fit the cap going forward. It's like numbered Tetris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I think this is exactly what they'll do. With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies, you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2. See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets. Davis has been a star in the post season the last 2 years. I think he has his best regular season with the improved protection and a conventional run game keeping defenses honest. Throw in Kincaid as big target and Davis is set up to have a big contract year performance. He will become a legitimate #2 this year. Maybe this would be the time to get a hometown deal with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Given the massive WR market in free agency I think Gabe's agent is not going to take the "hometown discount" deal that McBeane would likely want. Also, a Gabe Davis extension would likely not yield any significant cap savings. Whereas Ed Oliver was a top-10 pick playing on a pretty big fifth-year option. I think Beane in addition to keeping Ed long term and not having to fully turn over the DT room next season also wanted the short-term cap space an extension would provide. Likely I think they want the cap space to make a last move or two either to chase after Hopkins or add a vet pass rusher getting some space now was an added benefit to the Ed Oliver extension that does not really exist for Gabe Davis who has a tiny cap number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 Great responses in this thread. Yeah I was checking out the receivers in next years draft (jaw drop). Could be why Beane is loading up on picks. One of the top 3 picks would be lethal. Marvin Harrison Jr. Johnny WIlson ^freaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: There is zero reason to do it now. If Gabe wanted a "hometown discount" type deal taking a deal in the 8-10 million range on a modest guarantee I think McBeane would be all over it. But there is no way with the NFL WR market the way it is Gabe wouldn't want to test the market and play out his deal. Gabe with decent production could easily get 12-15 million on the open market without having a "breakout season" (if he is just a bit more efficient in 2023 he can score a big payday). It just doesn't line up for both sides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 The thing is Gabe his an ankle issue all year so we don’t know what he is at this point. He wasn’t able two years ago to step forward as Sanders became WR2. His ankle hampered him or maybe he’s not improved. I wouldn’t extend until after a standout year. i listened to Sal this morning as he was a guest on NFLR this morning around 10:45 for those who have Sirius and want to listen. He made a good point the only outside chance we extended Oliver was a cap move. We were on the hook for $11 mil. because we put the 5th year on him. He wasn’t trade able as no one would take that deal. We may have lowered the cap hit on Oliver substantially to clear up cap for others. This was a response to the D. Hop question from the hosts. He mentioned there is a very rare chance the extra potential cap possibility is for a D. Hop pitch, or he said it could be for something else, or there is no cap savings temporarily. What I took from this is we have no idea the details of this deal or why or what is Beane’s real strategy and all of the speculation is just a bunch of WAGs. My point is I wouldn’t over speculate on anything right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, akcash said: Great responses in this thread. Yeah I was checking out the receivers in next years draft (jaw drop). Could be why Beane is loading up on picks. One of the top 3 picks would be lethal. Marvin Harrison Jr. Johnny WIlson ^freaks McBeane likely loaded up on picks (and by loading up adding a pair of 6th-round picks and getting a high comp pick for Edumonds) because they knew that with Josh's contract and some other roster commitments, they would need to try and get as much cheap talent as possible in the upcoming drafts. The Bills barring catastrophe will be drafting in the 20's or 30's a pair of 6th round picks and a pick slotted around 97-104 isn't likely enough to move you up dramatically into the top 10 where you will need to be in order to get a player like Harrison Jr or Wilson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 No reason not to wait until at least October for Gabe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) Unlikely. Teams don't usually pay good #2 WRs. Someone is gonna pay him to be a #1. Edited June 4, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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