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Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think?

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12 minutes ago, akcash said:

Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think?

 

I don’t think so unless they get a great deal from him. I think he’ll get paid decently by some team next offseason and that it’ll be more than the Bills want to (or reasonably can) pay him. The Bills were already top 3 in cash spending this season prior to the Oliver extension. They’ll likely move up to #2 with that included. Incidentally they only trail the Browns and Ravens now. That’s three of the teams that keep getting connected to Hopkins already spending the most cash now. 

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15 minutes ago, akcash said:

Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think?

Wouldn't be opposed, but let's be honest. On the open market he'd be worth far more (money wise) to another team than he would to us. Gabe would easily command 15 per in FA. I don't see the Bills coming even close to matching that.

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Honestly I actually understand Oliver and why they did it but Gabe Davis is a number 3 receiver masquerading as a number 2 receiver and is not worth the 10-15 million a year he’s going to want. 
Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific. 

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I believe it's already in the works. There have been quite a few times this off-season where Beane mentioned getting Oliver and Davis re-signed in the same sentence. He's done everything but tattoo it across his forehead and yet many still don't believe it. 

 

Getting Oliver extended was step one in the process. That cleared money for the eventual Davis extension. I expect them to make an offer. Now, wether Davis takes it and signs or decides to bet on himself to have a breakout year, stay healthy and see a potential bigger payday in the off-season is another story.

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I doubt it from a cap perspective. He’s getting less than 3 million. I could see an extension during the season but not now. They need the little money 💰 they have for Nuk or a FA DE. Definitely in play for Nuk if they want. 

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37 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

I think/hope the Oliver deal means we are going WR#1 hunting during next year's draft (if Hopkins falls through). 

I was thinking either WR or DE with next year's 1st round pick.  A young guy to go with Rousseau and Miller.  Miller's age concerns me tbh.

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12 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

I have a feeling Gabe would prefer a warm weather city to play in, along with a hefty contract.  I don’t see him staying around. 


Why?  His mom said Buffalo is perfect for Gabe.  
 

From everything anyone in the know has said, he wants to be in Buffalo long term. 
 

He can go to Florida in the off-season, and then focuses on football, with some hunting/fishing etc during the season. 

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47 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Honestly I actually understand Oliver and why they did it but Gabe Davis is a number 3 receiver masquerading as a number 2 receiver and is not worth the 10-15 million a year he’s going to want. 
Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific. 

I think this is exactly what they'll do.  With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies,  you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2.  See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets.

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8 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

I was thinking either WR or DE with next year's 1st round pick.  A young guy to go with Rousseau and Miller.  Miller's age concerns me tbh.

 

That makes. I just like the odds of either of those scenarios better when you don't have another hole you need to adequately fill. 

 

Ideally, I'd like to see Gabe absolutely ball out this season and get paid (by someone else). Then we move up from the last pick of round 1 to attempt to find our next Diggs. So our core is Diggs, Round 1 future Diggs, and Shorter who by this point has rounded into the Gabe Davis we have today. 

 

Solved. Make it happen BB!

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52 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Just goto the draft and get one next year as the receiver group in next years class is terrific.

 

Very interested in this point, as I'm not a close follower of draft classes. Frankly, I'm amazed by board members who have good knowledge of this stuff.

 

If you have a sec:

 

Who looks good as late Rd 1?

 

Also, to the Op point: over, say, 2 year period, might XYZ "resolve" our WR2/3 issue in the event GD leaves?

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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I believe it's already in the works. There have been quite a few times this off-season where Beane mentioned getting Oliver and Davis re-signed in the same sentence. He's done everything but tattoo it across his forehead and yet many still don't believe it. 

 

Getting Oliver extended was step one in the process. That cleared money for the eventual Davis extension. I expect them to make an offer. Now, wether Davis takes it and signs or decides to bet on himself to have a breakout year, stay healthy and see a potential bigger payday in the off-season is another story.

How exactly does extending Oliver "clear money" for  a Davis extension?Guess I'm not following .

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2 hours ago, akcash said:

Its feels like the Bills (to me) really like an believe in Gabe Davis. I think he's a pretty solid number 2 myself. I'm happy with resigning Ed Oliver and wasn't expecting it. I could see us locking down Gabe Davis too. What y'all think?

 

OH! Don’t tease me like that! I wouldn’t be able to look away for how this Board would melt down! THAT is must see internet!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

Very interested in this point, as I'm not a close follower of draft classes. Frankly, I'm amazed by board members who have good knowledge of this stuff.

 

If you have a sec:

 

Who looks good as late Rd 1?

 

Also, to the Op point: over, say, 2 year period, might XYZ "resolve" our WR2/3 issue in the event GD leaves?

If you have the time profootballnetwork had an excellent article on it last week 

the top 5 next year would arguably have been the number 1 receiver this year 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-wrs-nfl-draft-2024/ 

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1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think this is exactly what they'll do.  With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies,  you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2.  See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets.

I agree LA I think the Kincaid factor looms large here if he gets caught up to the offense in short order it’s less targets for Gabe as I think the Bills feel they can get away with draft a young number 2 and not skip a beat 

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35 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

For a decent price absolutely 

For all the criticism,  he is a big time playmaker 

And he plays a huge amount of snaps.  And he plays hurt.  And he plays big boy football.  He’s not perfect, but you know what you get with that guy.  

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1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

How exactly does extending Oliver "clear money" for  a Davis extension?Guess I'm not following .

His cap number for this season comes wayyyyy down most likely. Been widely speculated that it could add anywhere from $4-7M off the cap for this year. That would open the door to re-sign Davis and backload his contract a bit to fit the cap going forward. It's like numbered Tetris.

 

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3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think this is exactly what they'll do.  With Gabe's ankle issues and inconsistencies,  you can't pay a wr3 the money of a #2.  See what Gabe does in his final rookie contract year. If he continues with the drops then draft his replacement. I think over the next 2 years Diggs & Kincaid will be gobbling up most of the targets.

Davis has been a star in the post season the last 2 years. I think he has his best regular season with the improved protection and a conventional run game keeping defenses honest. Throw in Kincaid as big target and Davis is set up to have a big contract year performance. He will become a legitimate #2 this year. Maybe this would be the time to get a hometown deal with him.

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Given the massive WR market in free agency I think Gabe's agent is not going to take the "hometown discount" deal that McBeane would likely want. Also, a Gabe Davis extension would likely not yield any significant cap savings. Whereas Ed Oliver was a top-10 pick playing on a pretty big fifth-year option. I think Beane in addition to keeping Ed long term and not having to fully turn over the DT room next season also wanted the short-term cap space an extension would provide. Likely I think they want the cap space to make a last move or two either to chase after Hopkins or add a vet pass rusher getting some space now was an added benefit to the Ed Oliver extension that does not really exist for Gabe Davis who has a tiny cap number.

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Great responses in this thread. Yeah I was checking out the receivers in next years draft (jaw drop). 

 

Could be why Beane is loading up on picks. One of the top 3 picks would be lethal. 

 

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Johnny WIlson

 

^freaks

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2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

There is zero reason to do it now.  

 

If Gabe wanted a "hometown discount" type deal taking a deal in the 8-10 million range on a modest guarantee I think McBeane would be all over it. But there is no way with the NFL WR market the way it is Gabe wouldn't want to test the market and play out his deal. Gabe with decent production could easily get 12-15 million on the open market without having a "breakout season" (if he is just a bit more efficient in 2023 he can score a big payday). It just doesn't line up for both sides.  

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The thing is Gabe his an ankle issue all year so we don’t know what he is at this point.  He wasn’t able two years ago to step forward as Sanders became WR2.  His ankle hampered him or maybe he’s not improved.  I wouldn’t extend until after a standout year.

 

i listened to Sal this morning as he was a guest on NFLR this morning around 10:45 for those who have Sirius and want to listen.  He made a good point the only outside chance we extended Oliver was a cap move.  We were on the hook for $11 mil. because we put the 5th year on him.  He wasn’t trade able as no one would take that deal.  We may have lowered the cap hit on Oliver substantially to clear up cap for others.  This was a response to the D. Hop question from the hosts.

 

He mentioned there is a very rare chance the extra potential cap possibility is for a D. Hop pitch, or he said it could be for something else, or there is no cap savings temporarily.

 

What I took from this is we have no idea the details of this deal or why or what is Beane’s real strategy and all of the speculation is just a bunch of WAGs.

 

My point is I wouldn’t over speculate on anything right now.

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17 minutes ago, akcash said:

Great responses in this thread. Yeah I was checking out the receivers in next years draft (jaw drop). 

 

Could be why Beane is loading up on picks. One of the top 3 picks would be lethal. 

 

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Johnny WIlson

 

^freaks

 

McBeane likely loaded up on picks (and by loading up adding a pair of 6th-round picks and getting a high comp pick for Edumonds) because they knew that with Josh's contract and some other roster commitments, they would need to try and get as much cheap talent as possible in the upcoming drafts. The Bills barring catastrophe will be drafting in the 20's or 30's a pair of 6th round picks and a pick slotted around 97-104 isn't likely enough to move you up dramatically into the top 10 where you will need to be in order to get a player like Harrison Jr or Wilson. 

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