Nephilim17 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 When the team is doing well and/or exceeding general expectations, as it has done the past few years, minus, probably, last season, this question is kind of moot. But if and when the team is not meeting expectations or things get complicated, is there anyone in Pegula's circle of friends or trusted business associates (at arm's length from Bills operations) who he can turn to for advice and counsel on questions related to extensions, evaluations, or possible firings? I'm not trying to be negative; I hope McBean lead us to multiple championships... but if things don't go as well as we hope — and with an elite QB things should mean serious contention for a Super Bowl — is Terry on his own or who advises him? Pegula seems, obviously, like a sharp businessman, but he doesn't strike me as a football expert. Maybe I'm wrong but I expect him to turn to someone if and when he needs to make tough decisions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: When the team is doing well and/or exceeding general expectations, as it has done the past few years, minus, probably, last season, this question is kind of moot. But if and when the team is not meeting expectations or things get complicated, is there anyone in Pegula's circle of friends or trusted business associates (at arm's length from Bills operations) who he can turn to for advice and counsel on questions related to extensions, evaluations, or possible firings? I'm not trying to be negative; I hope McBean lead us to multiple championships... but if things don't go as well as we hope — and with an elite QB things should mean serious contention for a Super Bowl — is Terry on his own or who advises him? Pegula seems, obviously, like a sharp businessman, but he doesn't strike me as a football expert. Maybe I'm wrong but I expect him to turn to someone if and when he needs to make tough decisions. he turns to people definitely smarter than you. Settled? 1 1 5 10 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 There’s firms and stuff owners hire. Ive said this before though, don’t expect McDermott to be fired after 1 losing season. It’s going to take multiple losing seasons. And I’ll add my opinion. The Bills would be absolutely stupid to think about firing McDermott until they have a losing season. 10 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 His God Have we reached peak off-season yet with this thread? Probably not 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) I have no idea but he seems more on the conservative side that it'll take at least two losing seasons to fire McDermott and Beane imo. They've both built up enough of a successful tenure here so far to deserve that long of a leash imo. I think that both would be fired at the same time (unlike Ryan and Whaley) if he were to ever make that move. Edited May 18, 2023 by Doc Brown 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Look, I trust you. Terry and I talk occasionally. He found me here on the board and saw something in me. So, when he needs advice about beane and McDermott he calls me. I don't charge him anything. 1 1 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 He turns to the record 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Jeff Littmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) He calls Russ Brandon of course he's been running the Bills for the last 23 years Edited May 18, 2023 by Starr Almighty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 He doesn't seek counsel from anyone. Terry makes decisions. He hired Rex against advice. He fired him (and indeed almost fired him after 1 season). He hired McDermott when Whaley wanted to continue searching. The only decision where it appears he took advice was hiring Beane on McDermott's say so. 2 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 He turns to the ghost of Hank Bullough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, NUT said: He should already be gone, he's the wrong coach for Allen. The Reid-Mahomes combo proves this. Done pretty good so far. I’m not really sure how a Reid Mahomes combo proves anything? But if Pegula can get Andy Reid then I’m all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, NUT said: He should already be gone, he's the wrong coach for Allen. The Reid-Mahomes combo proves this. It doesn’t prove anything - it’s not a fact. It’s one singular instance of a really good offensive coach with a really good QB. Conceptual misunderstanding. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Done pretty good so far. I’m not really sure how a Reid Mahomes combo proves anything? But if Pegula can get Andy Reid then I’m all for it. If Bill and the Pats ever part ways, then I would kick McDermott to the curb in a NY minute. Bill has had "some success" with an elite level franchise QB. Back to reality both Beane and McDermott are safe, and it probably would take a really bad season to get them canned like 3-14, 4-13 type bad. I am just a fan, so my opinion is completely meaningless. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 to your point, he doesnt have a VP with the Sabres and Bills, but he does have one at PSE, Executive VP Ron Raccuia, which is a bit odd as the those teams gen the big revenue but the track record of GMs and coaches is littered with road kill, NDAs, and a decade of learning the hard way, so he learned to trust, who ? Kim, but she seems to be incapacitated on the road to recovery hopefully...his kids are a bit young to make inner circle big decisions and dont have experience but neither did KIm...so is it Raccuia or just him collecting info, being conservative, and figuring it out in his own, which means doing nothing much other than counting his profits and where to re-invest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Starr Almighty said: He calls Russ Brandon of course he's been running the Bills for the last 23 years It kind of seems that Raccuia is the new Brandon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, NUT said: He should already be gone, he's the wrong coach for Allen. The Reid-Mahomes combo proves this. very scientific. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: When the team is doing well and/or exceeding general expectations, as it has done the past few years, minus, probably, last season, this question is kind of moot. But if and when the team is not meeting expectations or things get complicated, is there anyone in Pegula's circle of friends or trusted business associates (at arm's length from Bills operations) who he can turn to for advice and counsel on questions related to extensions, evaluations, or possible firings? I'm not trying to be negative; I hope McBean lead us to multiple championships... but if things don't go as well as we hope — and with an elite QB things should mean serious contention for a Super Bowl — is Terry on his own or who advises him? Pegula seems, obviously, like a sharp businessman, but he doesn't strike me as a football expert. Maybe I'm wrong but I expect him to turn to someone if and when he needs to make tough decisions. Man are you going to get flamed for this. But it’s a far more legitimate question than most here will admit. Kim Pegula’s serious health problems have taken away half of the brain trust at the top of the Bills and Sabres decision making pyramid. Anyone who fails to recognize this is not giving Kim her due. I’m not sure what Terry has done to fill that void, but I hope he’s found high quality people to do so. I also hope that he is choosing better than Jerry Jones, who he seems to be leaning on for all things stadium related. And, yes, NFL owners often seek the council of other, more experienced owners. The NFL is a business first and foremost. Edited May 18, 2023 by BarleyNY 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Bill Polian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, NUT said: He should already be gone, he's the wrong coach for Allen. The Reid-Mahomes combo proves this. Allen needs an offensively-minded head coach. The team and fans need a coach that is capable of not giving games away in the playoffs due to bizarre and never-to-be-explained in-game decisions, and one that understands that it's idiocy to hand our opponents huge chunks of yards in the most critical of situations, and thereby costing us playoff games. Apparently, from what we've read, highly-paid "experts" are needed to understand this. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Does he strike you as a hockey expert? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Man are you going to get flamed for this. But it’s a far more legitimate question than most here will admit. Kim Pegula’s serious health problems have taken away half of the brain trust at the top of the Bills and Sabres decision making pyramid. Anyone who fails to recognize this is not giving Kim her due. I’m not sure what Terry has done to fill that void, but I hope he’s found high quality people to do so. I also hope that he is choosing better than Jerry Jones, who he seems to be leaning on for all things stadium related. And, yes, NFL owners often seek the council of other, more experienced owners. The NFL is a business first and foremost. Right now, both the Bills and Sabres have good management groups in place. As for the football side of things let Beane and McDermott run the show. Terry can handle the business side of things. Its previous obvious now that the Sabres have the right people in place as well. Next year fans should see playoffs in both football and hockey. Hopefully a Super Bowl championship as well. Give the Sabres a few years to learn how to win in the playoffs before any realistic expectations of winning a Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Yogurt! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gregg said: As for the football side of things let Beane and McDermott run the show. That's a big part of the issue here. They've essentially been running it, and apart from them only succeeding to the extent that Allen does everything, they've underachieved, ... drastically. The tough question (s), in keeping with the thread topic, is good much longer will that continue, and what will be done about it. If they stick around, why would they manage/coach differently than that have? It's been 6 seasons. Just asking the questions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, teef said: very scientific. Positively NUTs, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: That's a big part of the issue here. They've essentially been running it, and apart from them only succeeding to the extent that Allen does everything, they've underachieved, ... drastically. The tough question (s), in keeping with the thread topic, is good much longer will that continue, and what will be done about it. If they stick around, why would they manage/coach differently than that have? It's been 6 seasons. Just asking the questions. The playoffs losses are frustrating but overall, they have turned the Bills around from being a laughingstock. At some point they do need to get past these playoff failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 He turns to no one. That’s what makes him the owner and boss. The same is true in every business, big or small. The buck truly stops with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Kim Pegula’s serious health problems have taken away half of the brain trust at the top of the Bills and Sabres decision making pyramid. Anyone who fails to recognize this is not giving Kim her due. She's definitely the football brain of the operation. My understanding is that her cognitive function is okay, but she has trouble communicating. That certainly precludes her from being the face of the franchise, and I'm guessing her therapy prevents her from engaging in the team's day-to-day activities, but she could still be a valuable resource in the OP's scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Terry Pegula unfortunately seems to get advice on Jerry Jones which is interesting for he is against profit sharing which helps smaller teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) Let's see...take over a team that was on a 17 year playoff drought...hire 2 people that have the highest winning percentage in Bills history... Suffice to say they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about it. Far easier for the team to go back to 7-9 with new staff making changes then doing better. Edited May 18, 2023 by Big Turk 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There’s firms and stuff owners hire. Ive said this before though, don’t expect McDermott to be fired after 1 losing season. It’s going to take multiple losing seasons. And I’ll add my opinion. The Bills would be absolutely stupid to think about firing McDermott until they have a losing season. Didn't work for Doc Rivers.. Seems to be heading in the same direction from a results perspective .. #Bridesmaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 A lot of folk don’t realize that Terry has me on speed dial for this very reason…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Ted Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PBF81 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 57 minutes ago, Gregg said: The playoffs losses are frustrating but overall, they have turned the Bills around from being a laughingstock. At some point they do need to get past these playoff failures. Allen has turned the Bills around from being a laughing stock. Most of or past coaches would have done the same, some that got 9 wins without him. Those two have underachieved, I suppose it's possible that they don't continue to underachieve, but i'd say is unlikely. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Bill Polian? "Get out of town!" * As for advice? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 I think Terry Pegula knows exactly what he is doing. Made a fortune in Business coming from a blue collar upbringing. From nothing to a billionaire. Don’t let his quiet and calm demeanour fool you this guy is a very smart businessman and seems like a great person. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: When the team is doing well and/or exceeding general expectations, as it has done the past few years, minus, probably, last season, this question is kind of moot. But if and when the team is not meeting expectations or things get complicated, is there anyone in Pegula's circle of friends or trusted business associates (at arm's length from Bills operations) who he can turn to for advice and counsel on questions related to extensions, evaluations, or possible firings? I'm not trying to be negative; I hope McBean lead us to multiple championships... but if things don't go as well as we hope — and with an elite QB things should mean serious contention for a Super Bowl — is Terry on his own or who advises him? Pegula seems, obviously, like a sharp businessman, but he doesn't strike me as a football expert. Maybe I'm wrong but I expect him to turn to someone if and when he needs to make tough decisions. How many team owners are experts in the sports their teams play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Go out and get Harbaugh from Michigan. He doesn't make boneheaded time management decisions, he would get the most out of Allen and has the personality perfect for Bills Mafia. yeah, he would cost a lot... but this guy is a billionaire who just was gifted the funds for a new stadium by taxpayers, I think he ought to live up to his side of the bargain Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. No Head Coach loses big games to teams they have more talent than more often than Jim Harbaugh. I'd rather re-hire Marrone than that mug. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Bill Polian? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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