The Titans Are Shopping Henry

[Tierlifer]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Hard no on this one. It doesn't make any sense.  What's the definition of insanity?  FIX THE OLINE!!!!  

Well said!!

 

Because he is a shiny toy who helps win fantasy football leagues.

 

 

[Chaos]

30 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

How about we improve our offensive line to the point where running backs look like Derrick, Henry when they run

Which teams have achieved that? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Henry would be an exciting add, but I don't know that it makes sense.  RB is the easiest position to acclimate too, so I would think if there was a hole that the Bills would be comfortable with youth from the draft at it would be RB.  

 

Someone suggested we trade Oliver, and I do think trading Oliver in general makes sense as I have a hard time seeing us pay up to keep him next year.  But I don't think trading Oliver for a short term option at RB makes sense, I would think Beane would rather get draft assets that can infuse youth and longer term players into the roster.  

 

The other things to consider here are that Henry wasn't nearly as effective before Titans built up their OL into one of the best.  And our OL needs a lot of work, so not sure Henry just walks in and plays at the same level here unless we can significantly improve the OL, which acquiring Henry might limit our ability to do so.  Then you have the mileage and high use of him combined with his age.  I think about guys like Shaun Alexander who just instantly fell off a cliff earlier than expected thanks to the power run style and high use rate.  

 

Would I be excited if Henry was a Bill...sure...do I think it would happen, doubtful.  

Sure it does. Oliver isn't that good and as you saw in the SuperBowl playing defense is pointless.  They need multiple weapons on defense and it would not be a long term commitment.  

Makes perfect sense. 

[HurlyBurly51]

Take Bijan and run him hard through his rookie contract.  Rinse/repeat.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The tread left on Henry’s tires has to be mighty thin after all the work he has logged - and his running style includes a lot of collisions.

One year rental. Who cares long term

[Victory Formation]

5 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

He’s basically a one year rental at 16 million if I read correctly. 
Oliver and a 6th for Henry 🤷 

I could live with that.

[Simon Says]

5 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

He’s basically a one year rental at 16 million if I read correctly. 
Oliver and a 6th for Henry 🤷 

His base salary is 10.5 million which is what the Bills would pay him.

When you hear "cap hit"; it means all salary and all bonus dollars, combined.

 Bills aren't responsible for bonus money that was paid up front but has to be accounted for and is spread across the length of the contract ("amortized").

Ando, if you trade Oliver that's just more cap trouble for the Titans. Are you paying attention? Thats why they are willing to trade Henry.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Herb Nightly

[ColoradoBills]

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

His base salary is 10.5 million which is what the Bills would pay him.

When you hear "cap hit"; it means all salary and all bonus dollars, combined.

 Bills aren't responsible for bonus money that was paid up front but has to be accounted for and is spread across the length of the contract ("amortized").

Ando, if you trade Oliver that's just more cap trouble for the Titans. Are you paying attention? Thats why they are willing to trade Henry.

Were you paying attention? The OP asked if us fans would want him and what would we give for him. 
I threw out some random scenario with Oliver based on similar salaries. Not sure we need to get into the full technicals of a potential deal or what Tennessee wants in return

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Sure it does. Oliver isn't that good and as you saw in the SuperBowl playing defense is pointless.  They need multiple weapons on defense and it would not be a long term commitment.  

Makes perfect sense. 

You missed my reason as to why I said that

[OldTimer1960]

39 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

One year rental. Who cares long term

Why would you want a 1 year rental?  This idea that a team just needs to go "all in" and "mortgage the future" to try to win a championship is flawed, in my opinion.  You can't predict injuries or bad breaks - just look at last season.  This team, unless they lose significant pieces without replacing them with somewhat equivalent pieces, is good enough to be "in the mix" to win a championship.  So are a number of other teams.  I think the chances of winning a championship are maximized by staying competitive for as long as you can - get as many opportunities as possible.

 

KC fixed their OL last year, but they shipped Tyreek Hill out.  That wasn't an "all in" move - it was a move towards long-term competitiveness.

 

[Mikie2times]

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You missed my reason as to why I said that

I read your posts and would still feel inclined to consider a trade involving Oliver. I think Henry is a back that will get his yards with almost any NFL caliber line. Not to say it doesn't influence things, but he is still enough of a specimen/freak talent that he will get his yards. You don't want the guy more than a max of one or two years because he just can't keep this up the way he plays. All of which is fine because we are trading a departing asset for another departing asset. Immediate return is all that matters. We have nearly zero physicality outside Knox and our QB, adding Henry would immediately provide this dimension. It's a one year + trade, who makes us better? Then after next season they both are likely off the payroll again. Henry in landslide against Oliver. That said, I don't know if Henry would be down for a trade to a one year and done nor one of our conference rivals. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by KzooMike

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Which teams have achieved that? 

the Chiefs have

Totally revamped their line

Drafted a seventh round, running back out of Rutgers

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Take Bijan and run him hard through his rookie contract.  Rinse/repeat.

I'm glad somebody gets it😎

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Take Bijan and run him hard through his rookie contract.  Rinse/repeat.

I don’t think bijan gets anywhere close to us

 

And I would run the card up to the podium if he did

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

the Chiefs have

Totally revamped their line

Drafted a seventh round, running back out of Rutgers

Pacheco did well. He ran for 872 yards. No one in the world would confuse his performance with Henrys though. 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Pacheco did well. He ran for 872 yards. No one in the world would confuse his performance with Henrys though. 

OK so I’m gonna try to explain this
 

Henry has those stats because he gets that ball a ton

 

On a bills team, Henry would not get the same amount of carries

 

Same Pacheco, because Mahomes is gonna have the ball in his hands of Time Pacheco is not going to get the same amount of carries

 

It’s a bad scheme fit for the amount of money that it would cost. We are better off drastically improving our line which disseminates out to other aspects of the office instead of signing a high priced running back

 

The only way that I look at this differently is if somehow we got Bijan Robinson because we are getting him young and he would be with us for a while total value pick

 

Other than that, we drafted a running back in the second round last year, who really came on, and we can find a inexpensive pounder to pair with him in free agency or the draft

 

There’s just so many other ways to go with those resources

 

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by John from Riverside

[Mynamemike]

The only way Dorsey would commit to running the ball is if he had a stud in the backfield. Send a 3 and 5 to Tenn and trade back in the first if possible imo 

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Hard no on this one. It doesn't make any sense.  What's the definition of insanity?  FIX THE OLINE!!!!  

Why couldn’t they do both?

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Does he play special teams? 

Lol…Did he wrestle in high school? 😉

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Take Bijan and run him hard through his rookie contract.  Rinse/repeat.

He probably won’t be there at 27.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, KzooMike said:

I read your posts and would still feel inclined to consider a trade involving Oliver. I think Henry is a back that will get his yards with almost any NFL caliber line. Not to say it doesn't influence things, but he is still enough of a specimen/freak talent that he will get his yards. You don't want the guy more than a max of one or two years because he just can't keep this up the way he plays. All of which is fine because we are trading a departing asset for another departing asset. Immediate return is all that matters. We have nearly zero physicality outside Knox and our QB, adding Henry would immediately provide this dimension. It's a one year + trade, who makes us better? Then after next season they both are likely off the payroll again. Henry in landslide against Oliver. That said, I don't know if Henry would be down for a trade to a one year and done nor one of our conference rivals. 

I’m not against trading Oliver, I was speaking on behalf of Beane and what I think he would want back if he traded Oliver

[BillMafia716ix]

I’d be all over that. That play action would be deadly 

[Coach Tuesday]

7 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

A player who needs no speculation and who can seriously arouse higher team expectations in the short term.

 

A rare case of a sensible player clamoring thread, not the innumerable ‘as I see it’ types posted ad nauseam.

This seriously reads as if ChatGPT wrote it.

[Chaos]

Think of the question this way: Would I feel bad if the Chiefs added Derrick Henry? 

[aristocrat]

Can they send Jeffrey Simmons as well?

[Bills!Win!]

43 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Think of the question this way: Would I feel bad if the Chiefs added Derrick Henry? 

Just like when the patriots added randy moss, the superbowl would be already determined in the afc 

[Nextmanup]

NO!

 

 

[McBean]

Hell to the no.

[Success]

This won't happen - but I do like to think about how the rest of the league's fans would react.

 

They'd be terrified if they saw this headline. 

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This seriously reads as if ChatGPT wrote it.

So you chat with A.I. enough to be assessing such speak.

 

Guess that means you’ll never chat alone. 
 

Your are welcome.

[MasterStrategist]

Hard pass...

 

1. Draft a RB: very deep Rb class, beyond just Bijan (who is a no-brainer at 27, if he somehow slides).  Look round 4/5 range.

 

2. Fix the OL: first off, we need to create cap space...yes, multiple ways to do this quickly (ie:cuts, restructures, etc) but it would be unwise to invest said $$$s in anything but the trenches.  We need to protect Josh, and this run game struggles because of our blocking.  FA $$s and early draft capital should be invested in OL, much overdue.

 

3. Playmaker: with our scheme and Joshs talents, WR is a much better choice to help this offense take the next step.  Diggs gets constant bracket coverage/doubled...we need a legit #2 who can consistently produce and win against single coverage.  Davis had his chance, just think we need more twitch/separation ability for that #2 spot.

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Hard pass...

 

1. Draft a RB: very deep Rb class, beyond just Bijan (who is a no-brainer at 27, if he somehow slides).  Look round 4/5 range.

 

2. Fix the OL: first off, we need to create cap space...yes, multiple ways to do this quickly (ie:cuts, restructures, etc) but it would be unwise to invest said $$$s in anything but the trenches.  We need to protect Josh, and this run game struggles because of our blocking.  FA $$s and early draft capital should be invested in OL, much overdue.

 

3. Playmaker: with our scheme and Joshs talents, WR is a much better choice to help this offense take the next step.  Diggs gets constant bracket coverage/doubled...we need a legit #2 who can consistently produce and win against single coverage.  Davis had his chance, just think we need more twitch/separation ability for that #2 spot.

Agreed, paying older RBs at the end of their prime is never a good idea. Plus, as good as Henry is, he's not a great fit for this offense in my opinion. Not that he would be bad in buffalo but his skill set isn't what's missing in the bills offense.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Hard pass...

 

1. Draft a RB: very deep Rb class, beyond just Bijan (who is a no-brainer at 27, if he somehow slides).  Look round 4/5 range.

 

2. Fix the OL: first off, we need to create cap space...yes, multiple ways to do this quickly (ie:cuts, restructures, etc) but it would be unwise to invest said $$$s in anything but the trenches.  We need to protect Josh, and this run game struggles because of our blocking.  FA $$s and early draft capital should be invested in OL, much overdue.

 

3. Playmaker: with our scheme and Joshs talents, WR is a much better choice to help this offense take the next step.  Diggs gets constant bracket coverage/doubled...we need a legit #2 who can consistently produce and win against single coverage.  Davis had his chance, just think we need more twitch/separation ability for that #2 spot.

All easier said than done. 

 

(1) who is that RB? 

 

(2) Hard to trust the Bills staff when it comes to solidifying the Oline. Ford pick, Staffold sucked, Brown is not good and who knows if he will be.

 

Bottom line is Beane and McD have had years to get it right. What makes you think they will get it right after years of incompetence? 

 

(3) Agree Bills need playmakers. Agree Davis had his chance. I don't wanna see a Davis WR2 rerun. 

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

Amazing how many posters believe spending premium assets AND cap space for an offensive "weapon" who REQUIRES a heavy volume-based rushing attack to eventually have successful runs in the 2nd halves of games. Is THAT the direction you want the Bills to move their offensive approach? 

 

Henry's backups have had impressive relative success with their limited reps the last couple seasons. While Henry is a unique specimen, it's obvious that he has to date been put in the best possible positions to succeed, with respect to offensive play-calling, scheme, and personnel. Acquiring him for the Bills would put fascinating emphasis on Dorsey and Kromer's gameplans and play-calling. It WOULD force them to try and best synchronize the wide-zone running schemes McDermott has sought since his hiring with the existing E-P passing schemes left over from Daboll. How they accomplish that will play a large part in their 2023 success, with or without a major RB acquisition. 

[Richard Noggin]

12 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

A player who needs no speculation and who can seriously arouse higher team expectations in the short term.

 

A rare case of a sensible player clamoring thread, not the innumerable ‘as I see it’ types posted ad nauseam.

 

This is called a: word salad. ONE rational claim (that Henry is a known, reliable commodity) is buried within an unnecessarily verbose and obscured post, thereby raising logical red flags for all reasonable participants. 

 

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This seriously reads as if ChatGPT wrote it.

 

100%

 

3 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

So you chat with A.I. enough to be assessing such speak.

 

Guess that means you’ll never chat alone. 
 

Your are welcome.

 

This quoted response does NOTHING to convince us of the autonomous, human origins of "your" prior post. 

[Utah John]

No chance the Bills go after Henry, unless they're planning to convert him to LB or another defense position. 

[Thurman#1]

16 hours ago, H2o said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-titans-shopping-derrick-henry-162920605.html

 

Would anyone here want him, and what would you trade to get him if so? This is a tough one for me. 

 

 

Jeez, no. He'll cost too much.

 

Great player, but we don't have the un-needed resources to get him, on the trade side or the salary side for a guy who would be a one-year rental for $10.5M or else a major drag on the cap for a major last contract for Henry, for a team that will throw the ball among the highest percentages in the league.

 

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Since1981]

Rushing leader 

remember waaaaay back last week when this forum talked about a “tougher team”. Testosterone Bros in here got all excited “tougher”. Then “our Buffalo (*****) weather is an advantage” but wasn’t. 
 

Well…..

imagine defending Henry+Josh?

it would be epic. Instantly tougher, weather, balanced (offense) and complimentary ball (defense)

Edited March 7, 2023 by Since1981

[bobobonators]

Of concern to me is that he is the face of the Titans much the same way Josh is the face of the Bills. He is their entire offense. If they are planning to trade him the writing is on the wall imo. Wasnt it only 2yrs ago they were the #1 seed. The Titans know he doesn’t have much left.