Potential Number 1 pick Jalen Carter Arrest Warrant

[Goin Breakdown]

If it were our family member or child that was killed Would we be saying "ohh well we've all done it". Speeding is one thing racing is another. I'm am also not at all saying he's a bad kid. We all make mistakes but we can't downplay when someone's life was lost. Wrong is wrong. 

[RiotAct]

so, he’s going to the Chiefs.  Great.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

We seem to be infantalizing early-20s kids these days and acting as though that's the norm. 

 

If we're gonna go all "meta" here: maybe that should stop.

 

 

 

I mean, Durrrr, but is that supposed to be a problem or something?  Or does it hit a "soft spot" in you?  In other words, What's Your Point?

not at all, I'm not from the weak culture of the 21st century. again, are you that dense. read the thread and you can clearly see many judging the young man for his awful decision. 

 

 

[US Egg]

20 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

He didn't get a DUI and he wasn't in an accident.  The car he was racing was in an accident, and they were far over the legal limit.  You don't have a toxicology report so you can't charge him with a DUI, and stretching it to anything beyond reckless driving is challenging since you know the other driver was inebriated and driving recklessly.  

Similar to what happened to my kid’s friend at around the same age. Seemed like a decent kid from a sound family. He did two years. Lifes and families ruined forever.

That there are those who can mock the situation is typical. 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by I am the egg man

[Bob Jones]

51 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

Sad.  Who the hell races an Expedition and Trailhawk?  Stupid and sad.

Drunk people! LOL

[947]

The Jeep Trackhawk Carter was driving has over 700 Horsepower & costs $91K. I'll assume this was part of his NIL deal with Georgia, and all the big NIL deals include fancy cars, but why give a top prospect a 700HP vehicle? There are tons of 300HP fancy car options less likely to result in needing to show off that speed.

[chongli]

11 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

If it were our family member or child that was killed Would we be saying "ohh well we've all done it". Speeding is one thing racing is another. I'm am also not at all saying he's a bad kid. We all make mistakes but we can't downplay when someone's life was lost. Wrong is wrong. 

 

No one is downplaying anything. Jalen Carter did not kill anyone. The other driver is responsible for racing the car in the crash. It could have been Jalen's car that crashed, but it wasn't.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

13 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

If it were our family member or child that was killed Would we be saying "ohh well we've all done it". Speeding is one thing racing is another. I'm am also not at all saying he's a bad kid. We all make mistakes but we can't downplay when someone's life was lost. Wrong is wrong. 

Racing drunk on top of that. We’ve all raced.

[Bob Jones]

1 minute ago, 947 said:

The Jeep Trackhawk Carter was driving has over 700 Horsepower & costs $91K. I'll assume this was part of his NIL deal with Georgia, and all the big NIL deals include fancy cars, but why give a top prospect a 700HP vehicle? There are tons of 300HP fancy car options less likely to result in needing to show off that speed.

Wow, I didn’t realize that. Knowing this now, it's crazy that the Jeep wasn't just able to absolutely run away from the tank/Expedition, unless he's just a young &  unskilled driver (likely), or was just playing with the tank.

 

Someone upthread mentioned taking responsibility....apparently he fled the scene and then came back to it 90 minutes later, and of course lied to the cops aboit his involvement in incident.

[Billsflyer12]

I know my life has never been the same since I was 8 years old and an 18 year old drunk, recklessness driver T-Boned and killed my mother less than 2 minutes after dropping my sister and I at school in Rochester.

 

My heart and life miss her every fu*king day.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

 

What's the deal with these big guys and car racing?? 

[Bob Jones]

46 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I've done it more than on long empty roads.  I've done it in the city.  I never got it up to 100 mph in the city but in the 55 mph sections at 2:00 am....we would hit 90 mph driving home.  

 

I've done it several times not on long country roads.

 

One spot in particular I know is known for it.  It's 55 mph and people will race down at 2:00 am.

Downtown Buffalo, on Ohio Street in the late 70s? LOL I was there. It was somewhat controlled, but years later when I was long gone from WNY, I read that somebody crashed, car got cut in half, and some spectators....which lined both sides of the one-way, 4-lane street....as well as people in the car died. I think the cops finally shut it down after that, but like I said, I was gone by then, so who knows?

 

We never raced through suburban streets though....that would have been crazy! LOL

[Nextmanup]

Ever notice that elite football players and automobiles just don't go together?

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Ever notice that elite football players and automobiles just don't go together?

 

 

Considering car accidents are like the 4th leading cause of death, I’d argue a lot of people and cars don’t go together. 
 

I actually would bet the % of football players involved in car crash/ violations is lower than the general population. Check you local news and you will see a bunch of terrible car related stuff.

14 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

I know my life has never been the same since I was 8 years old and an 18 year old drunk, recklessness driver T-Boned and killed my mother less than 2 minutes after dropping my sister and I at school in Rochester.

 

My heart and life miss her every fu*king day.

I’m really sorry to hear that. Another issue this country sucks with is DWI laws. In some countries, you lose your license after one. Here, we have people with like 5 or 6 or get a slap on the wrist for killing someone.
 

sorry again. Can’t imagine that feeling . 

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Almost everyone has drag raced down a busy street, swerving between lanes of traffic and even oncoming traffic? You really think that?

 

Jeez, I get a bit of a rush at just the idea of going 5 MPH over the limit on the expressway. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Royale with Cheese]

45 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I doubt that there are sidewalks in that particular area, but otherwise, Thank You. 

This.

 

This was not a long empty straight deserted country road.

 

There were other cars on the road, a road busy enough to have a center turn lane, and they were passing them.

 

 

Then I don't even know what to say to you. 

 

Yes I do - you were an ####### when you did it, you were putting innocent bystanders at almost as much risk as if you were twirling around shooting a gun, and you really need to quit normalizing this as something just "everybody does".

 

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/teen-volleyball-player-from-tennessee-critically-injured-in-downtown-st-louis-crash/

 

This kind of thing.  There's a young lady - a young lady who entered the weekend with a full ride volleyball scholarship to college - who just lost both her legs and whose life will never be the same (if she lives) because #######s think that traffic laws don't apply to them.  The driver and the other car are fine, of course -the car and its engineering protected them, but not the young lady who was walking down the sidewalk minding her own business.

 

You did it, you don't do it now, Good for You, but don't normalize it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not normalizing it....I'm just giving you the reality that this is very common with young men.  This isn't just a Jalen Carter thing, this is a 16-24 year old thing.

I'm not proud of it but myself along with the crowds I hung out with as they've gotten older realized they were stupid.

 

You can get pissy all you want with me but this the reality.  It's on your roads at 2:00 am when you're sleeping.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Downtown Buffalo, on Ohio Street in the late 70s? LOL I was there. It was somewhat controlled, but years later when I was long gone from WNY, I read that somebody crashed, car got cut in half, and some spectators....which lined both sides of the one-way, 4-lane street....as well as people in the car died. I think the cops finally shut it down after that, but like I said, I was gone by then, so who knows?

 

We never raced through suburban streets though....that would have been crazy! LOL

 

It was suburban streets by like neighborhoods, its those long stretches of roads by malls or restaurants or bars.

By me, it was Barrett Parkway.  Once you leave the well lit areas and go down the roads heading towards the suburbs, there's a few mile stretch of 55 mph in which we would floor it.  It wasn't like we were doing 90 for like 15 minutes....these are 15-30 seconds and then slow down.

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

I feel like we are also ignoring the BAC levels that were reported. 
 

Did he bolt because he was also heavily intoxicated?

We'll likely never know unless they have witnesses who can attest to his drinking that night, but he was almost certainly impaired as well.  No one drives like that on residential streets at 2:30AM if they're sober.  That blows right past adrenaline fueled risky behavior to death wish territory.

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Meh, terrible outcome but what do you think young boys who all of a sudden have money for sport cars are gonna do. 
 

Hit him with a misdemeanor and let’s move along.  

It wasn’t sports cars. The deceased was driving a ford expedition. The other car was a Jeep Cherokee. 

[TheBrownBear]

I'm kind of shocked by the "we all raced" comments in this thread.  My friends and I have never "raced" in our entire lives as far as I've known, and we weren't dweebs locked in our parents basements or anything.  We were jocks and frat guys - the typical, "young, dumb, testosterone fueled" demographic.  I know there were "car scenes" and street racers, but I thought that was a fairly small sliver of dudes.  Maybe street racing got a big bump from those stupid Fast & Furious movies?  

5 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

It wasn’t sports cars. The deceased was driving a ford expedition. The other car was a Jeep Cherokee. 

It was a $100,000 Jeep Tomahawk racing SUV.

[DrDawkinstein]

43 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Downtown Buffalo, on Ohio Street in the late 70s? LOL I was there. It was somewhat controlled, but years later when I was long gone from WNY, I read that somebody crashed, car got cut in half, and some spectators....which lined both sides of the one-way, 4-lane street....as well as people in the car died. I think the cops finally shut it down after that, but like I said, I was gone by then, so who knows?

 

We never raced through suburban streets though....that would have been crazy! LOL

 

My father, uncle, and all their teenage/college friends in Lackawana were big into the hot rod culture of the 60s (and into the 70s) and absolutely built cars and drag raced often on Fuhrmann or whatever that street is in front of the old Pier site.

 

It's part of American culture going back to the 50s.

 

It's just different now since populations are bigger, races have moved into more populated areas, and it's easier to get fast cars.

 

Not excusing it or normalizing it. But it isnt something new, or specific to the current generation.

 

It's tragic for everyone involved. And you'd think these kids in these positions would make better decisions. But at the same time, theyre still working on fully developing their prefrontal cortex at that age.

[MrEpsYtown]

Well I just hope he drops to 27

[ROCBillsBeliever]

Whelp, now he's guaranteed to drop to the Chiefs or Bengals, and they'll continue to stomp us... Womp womp womp. 🙄

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

The brain doesn't fully mature until 25 or so, per scientific reports:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily,helps accomplish executive brain functions.

 

Also, what is "meta"?

 

Yeah, I'm familiar with that research.

 

Here's the counterpoint - the brain shows remarkable plasticity as an organ.  It changes in response to its environment and the demands placed upon it.  When people are exposed to different environments and have different expectations and responsibilities, it's not a stretch to think the brain may develop differently.

 

My Grandfather went to school through 8th grade then 2 years of "business college".  At age 15, he went to work full time and was expected to play a significant role as a family breadwinner.  This was only unusual, in that a lot of kids of that era went to work full time at age 13, right after 8th grade.  Then there was Selective Service, which he was too young for in 1917 but registered for in 1942 (18 to 45).    Young men were drafted, trained, and somehow expected to exercise a great deal of responsibility, not infrequently leading other young men in combat.

 

It wouldn't surprise me, if the brains of these young men were examined, or the brains of young men and women elsewhere in the world who are expected to exercise adult-size responsibilities in their late teens/early 20s, if they were found to have significantly more mature pre-frontal cortexes capable of accomplishing executive brain functions at a higher level.

 

In one interview Josh Allen was talking about his grandparents and father and uncles, and how, looking at photos of them at high school age, they had the muscles of "grown ass men" because of the hard manual work they did.  My contention: young skeletal muscle develop early if needed and used on regular daily basis; young brain develop regularly if judgement and reasoning needed and used on regular daily basis.

 

Meta in the sense I was using it, more comprehensive or transcending.  Transitioning from this specific instance to comprehensive consideration about 20 year old kids, who at one time were considered adults and at 18 for some purposes and 21 for others, legally still are.

[PetermansRedemption]

26 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I'm kind of shocked by the "we all raced" comments in this thread.  My friends and I have never "raced" in our entire lives as far as I've known, and we weren't dweebs locked in our parents basements or anything.  We were jocks and frat guys - the typical, "young, dumb, testosterone fueled" demographic.  I know there were "car scenes" and street racers, but I thought that was a fairly small sliver of dudes.  Maybe street racing got a big bump from those stupid Fast & Furious movies?  

It was a $100,000 Jeep Tomahawk racing SUV.

I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500

[Arkady Renko]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

The brain doesn't fully mature until 25 or so, per scientific reports:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily,helps accomplish executive brain functions.

 

Also, what is "meta"?

People point to this but it’s not as if right and wrong is unclear until you are 25.  

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

How many people waited it line at the wake, made it up to the family and said: Meh, terrible outcome. ?

you’re a good boy, points for empathy.  

[chongli]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, I'm familiar with that research.

 

Here's the counterpoint - the brain shows remarkable plasticity as an organ.  It changes in response to its environment and the demands placed upon it.  When people are exposed to different environments and have different expectations and responsibilities, it's not a stretch to think the brain may develop differently.

 

My Grandfather went to school through 8th grade then 2 years of "business college".  At age 15, he went to work full time and was expected to play a significant role as a family breadwinner.  This was only unusual, in that a lot of kids of that era went to work full time at age 13, right after 8th grade.  Then there was Selective Service, which he was too young for in 1917 but registered for in 1942 (18 to 45).    Young men were drafted, trained, and somehow expected to exercise a great deal of responsibility, not infrequently leading other young men in combat.

 

It wouldn't surprise me, if the brains of these young men were examined, or the brains of young men and women elsewhere in the world who are expected to exercise adult-size responsibilities in their late teens/early 20s, if they were found to have significantly more mature pre-frontal cortexes capable of accomplishing executive brain functions at a higher level.

 

In one interview Josh Allen was talking about his grandparents and father and uncles, and how, looking at photos of them at high school age, they had the muscles of "grown ass men" because of the hard manual work they did.  My contention: young skeletal muscle develop early if needed and used on regular daily basis; young brain develop regularly if judgement and reasoning needed and used on regular daily basis.

 

Meta in the sense I was using it, more comprehensive or transcending.  Transitioning from this specific instance to comprehensive consideration about 20 year old kids, who at one time were considered adults and at 18 for some purposes and 21 for others, legally still are.

 

Wow...thanks for the thorough explanation and analysis. And great point about different expectations and muscle adaptation.

 

All I would have to say is he's young; young people have always done stupid things in certain environments; and he was likely in an environment were reason and judgment are not exercised to their fullest. So, he will have to answer the charges. His draft value may drop, but I don't think it is too serious. He will go in the top 5 still. We've all done stupid things in out 20's--this is no different.

14 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said:

People point to this but it’s not as if right and wrong is unclear until you are 25.  

 

Awesome. Thanks for the explanation!

24 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Well I just hope he drops to 27

 

So, you're telling me we're drafting defense again with our first pic?!

[LeviF]

20 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500

Because when you only do one thing well you have to lean into it. So stick a hellcat in every chassis that you have lol

[Mark80]

23 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500

You can't get a corvette for 100k anymore unfortunately.  They have gone supercar (albeit the best value in supercars).  Sports car under 100k i'm taking an M3 all day.  It will smoke a GT Mustang on any track.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Mark80

[Freddie's Dead]

Marcell Dareus redux.  Pass.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

I'm kind of shocked by the "we all raced" comments in this thread.  My friends and I have never "raced" in our entire lives as far as I've known, and we weren't dweebs locked in our parents basements or anything.  We were jocks and frat guys - the typical, "young, dumb, testosterone fueled" demographic.  I know there were "car scenes" and street racers, but I thought that was a fairly small sliver of dudes.  Maybe street racing got a big bump from those stupid Fast & Furious movies?  

It was a $100,000 Jeep Tomahawk racing SUV.

 

We just always competed.  Something random like we would be leaving a restaurant and someone would say "last ones get the second game of Madden".

So we all ran to the cars get and go.  This is the mind of a 17 year old.  It wasn't every single time....just random times we wanted to be stupid.  I got one speeding ticket in HS. 

 

It wasn't just driving we would compete at.

[Mr. WEO]

He's perfect!!

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, that speaking won't happen if Carter's legal defense team has anything to do with it.

 

 

Seriously, driving 104 mph in the opposite lane of traffic (edit: in a suburban area, no less) seems like "something almost everyone has done" to you?

 

 

Well I guess it's better to do that in the suburbs. At least he's got that going for him.

 

Probably worse in the city, potential for more people killed. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[Bob Jones]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It was suburban streets by like neighborhoods, its those long stretches of roads by malls or restaurants or bars.

By me, it was Barrett Parkway.  Once you leave the well lit areas and go down the roads heading towards the suburbs, there's a few mile stretch of 55 mph in which we would floor it.  It wasn't like we were doing 90 for like 15 minutes....these are 15-30 seconds and then slow down.

I'm pretty sure it happened right near 1108 S Barnett Shoals Rd, in Athens. Only reason I know this specific address is that I read it in a news story, then google mapped it. You're right though as to it being a suburban road, 4 lanes with a middle turn lane. If you google maps this address, you can see the apt/condo building she ran in to. 

[RuffMuff]

"There is no question in my mind that when all of the facts are known that I will be fully exonerated of any criminal wrongdoing.”

Looks like we are jumping to conclusions.

 

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Who races in a Ford Expedition? That thing is as bulky as an old Bronco. And isn’t very fast at all. 

just wait until this guy gets his money and is flying around at 3:00am in a Ferrari. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Well I just hope he drops to 27

He’s a good kid. 😈

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, chongli said:

 

No one is downplaying anything. Jalen Carter did not kill anyone. The other driver is responsible for racing the car in the crash. It could have been Jalen's car that crashed, but it wasn't.

I get what your saying but it takes two to race. (Unless your just trying to beat a personal record or something) anyway. I just feel like when we say "hey we've all done it" it takes away from the fact that a horrible thing happened. Look I'm not saying throw the book at the dude. Not at all but there are reasons that we just can't do such things. Jalen is going to have to live with this and I'm sure that is not going to be easy. I don't wish that on him. 

[OZBILLS]

In what world was this guy potentially pick 1

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

The girl he was racing had the 0.197 BAC level was involved in the crash that killed the football player and herself.

 

The bad thing that he did was leave the scene of the crime and came back 2 hours later.

 

Perhaps if he stayed he could have rendered some type of aid to the crash victims.