MrEpsYtown Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Well I just hope he drops to 27 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Whelp, now he's guaranteed to drop to the Chiefs or Bengals, and they'll continue to stomp us... Womp womp womp. 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, chongli said: The brain doesn't fully mature until 25 or so, per scientific reports: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily,helps accomplish executive brain functions. Also, what is "meta"? Yeah, I'm familiar with that research. Here's the counterpoint - the brain shows remarkable plasticity as an organ. It changes in response to its environment and the demands placed upon it. When people are exposed to different environments and have different expectations and responsibilities, it's not a stretch to think the brain may develop differently. My Grandfather went to school through 8th grade then 2 years of "business college". At age 15, he went to work full time and was expected to play a significant role as a family breadwinner. This was only unusual, in that a lot of kids of that era went to work full time at age 13, right after 8th grade. Then there was Selective Service, which he was too young for in 1917 but registered for in 1942 (18 to 45). Young men were drafted, trained, and somehow expected to exercise a great deal of responsibility, not infrequently leading other young men in combat. It wouldn't surprise me, if the brains of these young men were examined, or the brains of young men and women elsewhere in the world who are expected to exercise adult-size responsibilities in their late teens/early 20s, if they were found to have significantly more mature pre-frontal cortexes capable of accomplishing executive brain functions at a higher level. In one interview Josh Allen was talking about his grandparents and father and uncles, and how, looking at photos of them at high school age, they had the muscles of "grown ass men" because of the hard manual work they did. My contention: young skeletal muscle develop early if needed and used on regular daily basis; young brain develop regularly if judgement and reasoning needed and used on regular daily basis. Meta in the sense I was using it, more comprehensive or transcending. Transitioning from this specific instance to comprehensive consideration about 20 year old kids, who at one time were considered adults and at 18 for some purposes and 21 for others, legally still are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I'm kind of shocked by the "we all raced" comments in this thread. My friends and I have never "raced" in our entire lives as far as I've known, and we weren't dweebs locked in our parents basements or anything. We were jocks and frat guys - the typical, "young, dumb, testosterone fueled" demographic. I know there were "car scenes" and street racers, but I thought that was a fairly small sliver of dudes. Maybe street racing got a big bump from those stupid Fast & Furious movies? It was a $100,000 Jeep Tomahawk racing SUV. I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, chongli said: The brain doesn't fully mature until 25 or so, per scientific reports: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily,helps accomplish executive brain functions. Also, what is "meta"? People point to this but it’s not as if right and wrong is unclear until you are 25. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: How many people waited it line at the wake, made it up to the family and said: Meh, terrible outcome. ? you’re a good boy, points for empathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I'm familiar with that research. Here's the counterpoint - the brain shows remarkable plasticity as an organ. It changes in response to its environment and the demands placed upon it. When people are exposed to different environments and have different expectations and responsibilities, it's not a stretch to think the brain may develop differently. My Grandfather went to school through 8th grade then 2 years of "business college". At age 15, he went to work full time and was expected to play a significant role as a family breadwinner. This was only unusual, in that a lot of kids of that era went to work full time at age 13, right after 8th grade. Then there was Selective Service, which he was too young for in 1917 but registered for in 1942 (18 to 45). Young men were drafted, trained, and somehow expected to exercise a great deal of responsibility, not infrequently leading other young men in combat. It wouldn't surprise me, if the brains of these young men were examined, or the brains of young men and women elsewhere in the world who are expected to exercise adult-size responsibilities in their late teens/early 20s, if they were found to have significantly more mature pre-frontal cortexes capable of accomplishing executive brain functions at a higher level. In one interview Josh Allen was talking about his grandparents and father and uncles, and how, looking at photos of them at high school age, they had the muscles of "grown ass men" because of the hard manual work they did. My contention: young skeletal muscle develop early if needed and used on regular daily basis; young brain develop regularly if judgement and reasoning needed and used on regular daily basis. Meta in the sense I was using it, more comprehensive or transcending. Transitioning from this specific instance to comprehensive consideration about 20 year old kids, who at one time were considered adults and at 18 for some purposes and 21 for others, legally still are. Wow...thanks for the thorough explanation and analysis. And great point about different expectations and muscle adaptation. All I would have to say is he's young; young people have always done stupid things in certain environments; and he was likely in an environment were reason and judgment are not exercised to their fullest. So, he will have to answer the charges. His draft value may drop, but I don't think it is too serious. He will go in the top 5 still. We've all done stupid things in out 20's--this is no different. 14 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: People point to this but it’s not as if right and wrong is unclear until you are 25. Awesome. Thanks for the explanation! 24 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Well I just hope he drops to 27 So, you're telling me we're drafting defense again with our first pic?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500 Because when you only do one thing well you have to lean into it. So stick a hellcat in every chassis that you have lol 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I was today years old when I learned Jeep makes a 100k Cherokee. Just….why? Get a Corvette or a Mustang GT500 You can't get a corvette for 100k anymore unfortunately. They have gone supercar (albeit the best value in supercars). Sports car under 100k i'm taking an M3 all day. It will smoke a GT Mustang on any track. Edited March 1, 2023 by Mark80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Marcell Dareus redux. Pass. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: I'm kind of shocked by the "we all raced" comments in this thread. My friends and I have never "raced" in our entire lives as far as I've known, and we weren't dweebs locked in our parents basements or anything. We were jocks and frat guys - the typical, "young, dumb, testosterone fueled" demographic. I know there were "car scenes" and street racers, but I thought that was a fairly small sliver of dudes. Maybe street racing got a big bump from those stupid Fast & Furious movies? It was a $100,000 Jeep Tomahawk racing SUV. We just always competed. Something random like we would be leaving a restaurant and someone would say "last ones get the second game of Madden". So we all ran to the cars get and go. This is the mind of a 17 year old. It wasn't every single time....just random times we wanted to be stupid. I got one speeding ticket in HS. It wasn't just driving we would compete at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 He's perfect!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: Well, that speaking won't happen if Carter's legal defense team has anything to do with it. Seriously, driving 104 mph in the opposite lane of traffic (edit: in a suburban area, no less) seems like "something almost everyone has done" to you? Well I guess it's better to do that in the suburbs. At least he's got that going for him. Probably worse in the city, potential for more people killed. Edited March 1, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: It was suburban streets by like neighborhoods, its those long stretches of roads by malls or restaurants or bars. By me, it was Barrett Parkway. Once you leave the well lit areas and go down the roads heading towards the suburbs, there's a few mile stretch of 55 mph in which we would floor it. It wasn't like we were doing 90 for like 15 minutes....these are 15-30 seconds and then slow down. I'm pretty sure it happened right near 1108 S Barnett Shoals Rd, in Athens. Only reason I know this specific address is that I read it in a news story, then google mapped it. You're right though as to it being a suburban road, 4 lanes with a middle turn lane. If you google maps this address, you can see the apt/condo building she ran in to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffMuff Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 "There is no question in my mind that when all of the facts are known that I will be fully exonerated of any criminal wrongdoing.” Looks like we are jumping to conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Who races in a Ford Expedition? That thing is as bulky as an old Bronco. And isn’t very fast at all. just wait until this guy gets his money and is flying around at 3:00am in a Ferrari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Well I just hope he drops to 27 He’s a good kid. 😈 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, chongli said: No one is downplaying anything. Jalen Carter did not kill anyone. The other driver is responsible for racing the car in the crash. It could have been Jalen's car that crashed, but it wasn't. I get what your saying but it takes two to race. (Unless your just trying to beat a personal record or something) anyway. I just feel like when we say "hey we've all done it" it takes away from the fact that a horrible thing happened. Look I'm not saying throw the book at the dude. Not at all but there are reasons that we just can't do such things. Jalen is going to have to live with this and I'm sure that is not going to be easy. I don't wish that on him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 In what world was this guy potentially pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 The girl he was racing had the 0.197 BAC level was involved in the crash that killed the football player and herself. The bad thing that he did was leave the scene of the crime and came back 2 hours later. Perhaps if he stayed he could have rendered some type of aid to the crash victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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