Just Jack Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Officials told to watch for illegal foreign objects used for FG and XP attempts | Football Zebras Quote Game officials will have a heightened sense of awareness regarding field goal holders attempting to use a small object upon which to place the ball when holding for a field goal, after such a practice was observed in a Week 14 game. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Interesting. Thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 So we would've won Super Bowl XXV with this? 1 1 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 "Chiefs holder Tommy Townsend can be seen apparently picking up a small object from the field after a game-winning 58-yard field goal by kicker Harrison Butker." I'm stunned. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: "Chiefs holder Tommy Townsend can be seen apparently picking up a small object from the field after a game-winning 58-yard field goal by kicker Harrison Butker." I'm stunned. Prediction: 3rd round comp pick to the Chiefs. NFL apologizes for ever doubting their greatness. 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Q: Andy Reid would (_________) condone cheating. A. Always B. What me worry C. Blame someone else D. Never 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) I wonder if they are going to ask kickers to take off their kicking shoe after each field goal to look for foreign substances like a loaded boxing glove. They must have received info from someone that kickers are loading up their shoes. Edited January 13, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 "small white foreign object"... What is the theory on this? Is it like a slip pad or something that the nose of the ball hopefully lands on to kick further? Is it a friction pad to help get the ball center stabilized easier for better aim? I don't see see anything the equivalent of a tee being possible to land on in real time. The info on what was being used is lacking... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 38 minutes ago, Rew said: "small white foreign object"... What is the theory on this? Is it like a slip pad or something that the nose of the ball hopefully lands on to kick further? Is it a friction pad to help get the ball center stabilized easier for better aim? I don't see see anything the equivalent of a tee being possible to land on in real time. The info on what was being used is lacking... I'm guessing it is like a ball marker in golf, so the holder knows exactly where the kicker wants the ball placed. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 What does the rule book say about this? Curious if there is any rule at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Just Jack said: I'm guessing it is like a ball marker in golf, so the holder knows exactly where the kicker wants the ball placed. It also helps the ball go farther if there's something between the grass/turf and the bottom of the ball. I used to kick in high school and even something as thin as a poker chip helped. 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Well, I’ve seen it all. The most wholesome part of football has been sullied. What’s next? Did Marv Levy shake babies? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: "Chiefs holder Tommy Townsend can be seen apparently picking up a small object from the field after a game-winning 58-yard field goal by kicker Harrison Butker." I'm stunned. I hope these guys wouldn't resort to this type of behavior in a playoff game. Like - off the top of my head - a divisional round matchup where you need a big kick to force overtime, for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Rew said: "small white foreign object"... What is the theory on this? Is it like a slip pad or something that the nose of the ball hopefully lands on to kick further? Is it a friction pad to help get the ball center stabilized easier for better aim? I don't see see anything the equivalent of a tee being possible to land on in real time. The info on what was being used is lacking... It allows the ball to be slightly higher meaning the kicker can get further under the ball and kick it farther Edited January 13, 2023 by Big Turk 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I don't see anything wrong with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: "Chiefs holder Tommy Townsend can be seen apparently picking up a small object from the field after a game-winning 58-yard field goal by kicker Harrison Butker." I'm stunned. Honestly, this should be bigger news especially since it was during a game winning kick (and how many times before?) As if having to beat Patrick Mahomes isn’t enough already for teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 It's brilliant....So small, then kick makes it go💥...Bye bye... What foreign object. Like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: It allows the ball to be slightly higher meaning the kicker can get further under the ball and kick it farther That's part of it but the main advantage is less friction between the bottom of the ball and the kicking surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Pure as the driven snow that "little kicker" is! 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: "Chiefs holder Tommy Townsend can be seen apparently picking up a small object from the field after a game-winning 58-yard field goal by kicker Harrison Butker." I'm stunned. So.... We get the 1 seed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 The most surprising part of this story is that is wasn't NE*** 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I have a dumb question: If this object is that small, in real time the punter/placeholder is looking at the snap and then has to place the ball exactly on this placeholder after receiving the ball? I mean it seems like there’s a lot of room for error/mis placement. Putting the ball tip down doesn’t leave much surface area to try and place it directly on a second small surface area. I wish they provided more info im just trying to imagine, on a logistical basis, how such a thing would work real time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, bobobonators said: I have a dumb question: If this object is that small, in real time the punter/placeholder is looking at the snap and then has to place the ball exactly on this placeholder after receiving the ball? I mean it seems like there’s a lot of room for error/mis placement. Putting the ball tip down doesn’t leave much surface area to try and place it directly on a second small surface area. I wish they provided more info im just trying to imagine, on a logistical basis, how such a thing would work real time. Totally not sure, but I’m envisioning the holder having it in his left hand and placing it simultaneously while positioning the ball just before the kicker makes contact—but too lazy to pull the game footage and see for myself 😎🤷🏼♂️… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Totally not sure, but I’m envisioning the holder having it in his left hand and placing it simultaneously while positioning the ball just before the kicker makes contact—but too lazy to pull the game footage and see for myself 😎🤷🏼♂️… The article provides videos. And the thing appears to be super tiny like quarter size. I still cant see how the placeholder takes the snap, and places the ball exactly on this quarter-sized object and manages to align the laces. They’re definitely picking something up but I’m not sure what function it serves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, bobobonators said: The article provides videos. And the thing appears to be super tiny like quarter size. I still cant see how the placeholder takes the snap, and places the ball exactly on this quarter-sized object and manages to align the laces. They’re definitely picking something up but I’m not sure what function it serves. Practice something tens of thousands of times and I’d imagine they’re pretty darn good at it. I want to know with all the hd cameras it hasn’t been spotted before 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) it raises the height of the football....ball goes higher and farther https://www.footballzebras.com/2022/12/after-review-a-reversal-nfl-wont-allow-a-holder-to-elevate-a-teed-kickoff-ball/ Edited January 13, 2023 by papazoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Maybe Bojo should be trying this. Edited January 13, 2023 by Dan Darragh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, bobobonators said: The article provides videos. And the thing appears to be super tiny like quarter size. I still cant see how the placeholder takes the snap, and places the ball exactly on this quarter-sized object and manages to align the laces. They’re definitely picking something up but I’m not sure what function it serves. Wouldn't the holder have to place the ball at an exact spot anyway? Otherwise, it wouldn't align with the kickers swinging leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Just Jack said: Officials told to watch for illegal foreign objects used for FG and XP attempts | Football Zebras lol love it. Like a little tiny tee that makes it that much easier to hold and plant the ball? if you aint cheatin’ you aint tryin’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Q: Andy Reid would (_________) condone cheating. A. Always B. What me worry C. Blame someone else D. Never E. I’m gonna get to the bottom of this. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 So, no opposing player has seen it being placed? They haven’t had a camera focused on the the teams they suspect? Not doubting it happens. NFL needs to crackdown on cheating. Could be worst kept secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) I wonder if they can confirm if Kansas City used it for the last second game tying kick last year? There's gotta be footage... Zoom in. Edited January 13, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Kicker is like 89% the past 2 seasons. I doubt this was for him. It was for the "emergency holder". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 He's dead to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 If you zoom in it says made in Foxborough, MA on it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Holder dropped his Super Bowl ring? 🤔 * Anyone got a bridge they want to sell me? 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I wonder if they can confirm if Kansas City used it for the last second game tying kick last year? There's gotta be footage... Zoom in. You really think any of those refs would have thrown a flag on the game tying kick in arrowhead for a 15 yrd penalty? See "music city forward lateral" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 i rewatched this years bills kc wk 6 game on the coaches all-22. can see the holder the entire time did NOT see the use of a white object or any motion of placing down or picking up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 12 hours ago, GoBills808 said: It also helps the ball go farther if there's something between the grass/turf and the bottom of the ball. I used to kick in high school and even something as thin as a poker chip helped. You were also barefoot and kicking a coconut, so is it really a fair comparison? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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