Bruffalo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, papazoid said: i'm guessing arizona is the hold up bills have the best offer in, but they're hoping for something a lil better Live look at negotiations between Bills & Arizona. 2 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Warcodered said: what's the vomit reaction? Lol I actually like your post but thought you wanted to see the reaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: i’m guessing the contract structuring is the hold up Just ask Josh to give Hopkins 10M out of pocket then Restructure Dawkins and that's 16M . Do you guys think Allen would pay 10M for a SB win 🏆 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, mjt328 said: There has been enough talk from legitimate sources... I think we can be comfortable in saying: - DeAndre Hopkins is being shopped by the Cardinals - The Bills are one of the teams interested That doesn't necessarily mean a deal is going to happen. There are lots of moving pieces. Probably the biggest is the Bills salary cap situation. There have to be discussions not only with the Cardinals (about possibly keeping some of the cap hit), but also with Hopkins himself (in terms of a potential contract restructure). Not to mention the physical/health piece, in terms of Hopkins past MCL injury and last year's drug suspension. Considering that Brandon Beane is also in the process of watching various Pro Days and finishing up with Free Agency, it's not really surprising news is slow coming out. Even if a deal does ultimately materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: i’m guessing the contract structuring is the hold up 20 minutes ago, papazoid said: i'm guessing arizona is the hold up bills have the best offer in, but they're hoping for something a lil better Or, what if it's neither of those things at all...... What if they didn't get that deep into contract structuring etc because it fell through and no agreement could be made making both teams moving on to other options, being why there's not much to update Warriorspikes would start cutting himself while questioning why bother living anymore....j/k Edited March 24, 2023 by Patrick Duffy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Patrick Duffy said: Or, what if it's neither of those things at all...... What if they didn't get that deep into contract structuring etc because it fell through and no agreement could be made making both teams moving on to other options, being why there's not much to update If it's this, I'd hope they'd say so. Sometimes keeping everything close to the vest sucks (for us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Bad sign when the talking heads are expecting the move. All the ones that are talked up never seem to happen. I.e. Derrick Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 This is getting ridiculous. So much smoke. Where's the fire? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, benderbender said: Bad sign when the talking heads are expecting the move. All the ones that are talked up never seem to happen. I.e. Derrick Henry Ehhh he has contract causes issues so I could see the delay but way to much smoke Edited March 24, 2023 by mikemac2001 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Sounds like Arizona doesn’t want to eat any of his salary, so the hold up might be a restructure agreement? In this case, I couldn’t see Buffalo parting with more than a couple late round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Diggs + Hopkins might be the most exciting thing on offense in years. I can’t think of a better duo in some time. Exciting= Tyreek hill. I think Hill and Kelce and Hill and Waddle are more exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Sounds like Arizona doesn’t want to eat any of his salary, so the hold up might be a restructure agreement? In this case, I couldn’t see Buffalo parting with more than a couple late round picks. I would think the more salary Buffalo has to take on, the less compensation they’d be willing to give… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, benderbender said: Bad sign when the talking heads are expecting the move. All the ones that are talked up never seem to happen. I.e. Derrick Henry Yeah it has been that way a few times, especially regarding Buffalo. Last year I don't remember how much talk there was regarding Von Miller and Bills. If I'm not mistaken it was more talk of the 3-4 other teams they expected him to go to and wasn't til a bit later only thing mentioned was a "dark horse" team to possibly get him. Wasn't til that point Buffalo got mentioned if I remember right..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 50 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Diggs + Hopkins might be the most exciting thing on offense in years. I can’t think of a better duo in some time. I mean...they're no Donald Jones and David Nelson, but I guess they'd be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I don't know the more this drags on the less likely it going happen I'd say Sunday or bust. you gotta figure they have been working this for at least three or fours days already. if they can't hammer something out soon. I'd say Beane bails on it, just a gut feeling no proof. (He either wants to come here or he doesnt). The restructure would be happening with his agent not the team 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Sounds like Arizona doesn’t want to eat any of his salary, so the hold up might be a restructure agreement? In this case, I couldn’t see Buffalo parting with more than a couple late round picks. If ARI doesn't want to hold onto any of his salary, I doubt there's going to be a deal done with anybody. Nobody is taking on $19m salary for this year 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Logic said: I mean...they're no Donald Jones and David Nelson, but I guess they'd be fine. My GOD we were terrible 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is getting ridiculous. So much smoke. Where's the fire? The smoke is grey, the fire went out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 As much as it sucks to think about I bet he’d rather go to KC. He’d be the guy and will have a better chance to win the Super Bowl than here 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: If ARI doesn't want to hold onto any of his salary, I doubt there's going to be a deal done with anybody. Nobody is taking on $19m salary for this year Hence, Nuk being willing to restructure his deal is likely a big part of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Hence, Nuk being willing to restructure his deal is likely a big part of this. So I heard this on the radio this morning and was kind of confused. Apparently players don't have to agree or sign or do anything for the organization to restructure their current contracts. Basically they are just changing the way they are paying the player over the current contract length (and most don't care either because it's more cash in hand). I heard it from Sal C. so I have to believe it is true. It only matters when they are extended which wouldn't happen since he already has 3 void years on his contract. Edited March 24, 2023 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, NewEra said: Exciting= Tyreek hill. I think Hill and Kelce and Hill and Waddle are more exciting. On paper yes but with Tua throwing to them, the excitement is decidedly lower. Allen throwing to Diggs and Hopkins would definitely be a LOT more fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 AZ 98.7 speculates Ossenfort won't settle for a 3rd round pick for Hopkins, in part, because it's his first trade. But teams know it's a necessary salary dump and aren't meeting the asking price. Only leverage Cardinals have is to wait. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: As much as it sucks to think about I bet he’d rather go to KC. He’d be the guy and will have a better chance to win the Super Bowl than here Yea, I’m sure he desperately wants to be the KD of the NFL rather than be a legend on one of the few teams that can dethrone them. And, fwiw, Kelce is “the guy”. Edited March 24, 2023 by SCBills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuscott16 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Airseven said: AZ 98.7 speculates Ossenfort won't settle for a 3rd round pick for Hopkins, in part, because it's his first trade. But teams know it's a necessary salary dump and aren't meeting the asking price. Only leverage Cardinals have is to wait. He is about to get a lesson in how the NFL works if that's the case. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Wiz said: So I heard this on the radio this morning and was kind of confused. Apparently players don't have to agree or sign or do anything for the organization to restructure their current contracts. Basically they are just changing the way they are paying the player over the current contract length (and most don't care either because it's more cash in hand). I heard it from Sal C. so I have to believe it is true. It only matters when they are extended which wouldn't happen since he already has 3 void years on his contract. #1 - Simple restructure Within the constraints of the remaining terms of the contract, a simple restructure turns payouts into prorated signing bonuses. Simple restructures can often be carried out by teams without the player's direct involvement. #2 - Maximum restructure A maximum restructure either extends the deal or adds vacant seasons to an agreement. These years do not stretch the contract but are solely used as stand-ins for the proration, increasing the cap space via modification into prorated signing bonuses. Maximum restructures are often viewed as a contract rework that requires the player's express approval to be executed. https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/nfl-glossary-how-nfl-teams-restructure-contracts#:~:text=In order to free up space under the,can spread the impact out over five years. i'm a little shocked about #1......but seeing as the remaining terms are likely not guaranteed......and that the signing bonus defacto makes it guaranteed....no player would turn that down Edited March 24, 2023 by papazoid 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 If what is being semi-reported is true… and Arizona doesn’t want to eat any cap, that new GM is going to have to lower his expectations and take a later pick or deal with a disgruntled star on his hands all season. Not sure how many teams, that Hopkins will work with, he sees out there with bucketloads of cap space. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: On paper yes but with Tua throwing to them, the excitement is decidedly lower. Allen throwing to Diggs and Hopkins would definitely be a LOT more fun Ok, then we aren’t talking about a duo. We’re talking about a threesome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeDrip Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, NewEra said: Ok, then we aren’t talking about a duo. We’re talking about a threesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: If what is being semi-reported is true… and Arizona doesn’t want to eat any cap, that new GM is going to have to lower his expectations and take a later pick or deal with a disgruntled star on his hands all season. Not sure how many teams, that Hopkins will work with, he sees out there with bucketloads of cap space. Not picking on our local sports guys either, but how much do they really know what a gm will or won't do, especially one who is in his first season? How long has it been since our local guys broke anything in regards to a trade? Point being, weezpect these guys in AZ with a new HC and new GM have any of that Intel? Meh...not buying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Please please please Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, gordong said: I don't know the more this drags on the less likely it going happen I'd say Sunday or bust. you gotta figure they have been working this for at least three or fours days already. if they can't hammer something out soon. I'd say Beane bails on it, just a gut feeling no proof. (He either wants to come here or he doesnt). The restructure would be happening with his agent not the team He's gonna go somewhere. It's either us or the Chiefs. This is being dragged out for them to. Do you think their fans are saying the same thing? I don't think Beane bails on this one as long as the Chiefs are in it. I don't think he let's that happen. This doesn't mean Hopkins doesn't want to come here either. It could be the Cardinals don't wanna eat any of his salary which makes it more difficult for both us and the Chiefs since we are both cash strapped. Edited March 24, 2023 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Ok, then we aren’t talking about a duo. We’re talking about a threesome 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) From Dan Fetes of Channel 13 Rochester: He mentioned with the people he talked to is that the Bills are interested "for the right price" One thing he mentioned that does cause some concern is that this reminds him of Zach Ertz. Where he was also able to confirm fire to the smoke. He mentioned that Beane in that situation (and all situations) is a Hardball kind of player. He makes an offer and really never budges from his price. With Ertz, they wouldn't agree to Beane's price - so that was that. The longer this goes on, the more I fear we may be heading to Ertz territory. Wherein, yes, Beane is interested and made an offer. But that offer isn't changing and they either come around to Beane's price, or they don't. Edited March 24, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: If you're that particular, you'll just have to wade through like a picker at a swap meet. Yes, the rumor at least was compensation would probably be closer to the Cooks deal in Dallas. It's worth a third, though. I'm just here to make @Alphadawg7 wade through another post while discovering nothing happened. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: From Thad Brown of Channel 13 Rochester: Dan Fetes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: I'd probably have a heart attack just thinking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is getting ridiculous. So much smoke. Where's the fire? More smoke than Tunsil celebrating his new contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 They now have Hopkins jerseys on sale at the Bill's store. https://shop.buffalobills.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwlPWgBhDHARIsAH2xdNd7FLiLoQ8ith6RnTiQpAT3fVpH8_tPrksT4R0D8Hemmnpkr7glJlUaAiHmEALw_wcB 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Sketchy source since I really don't know these guys and at least ECB had Edward's tweeted a day before the announcement which makes me feel good with their source. These guys = grain of salt and it looks like they are tagging on, but who knows.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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