The Red King Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 It may be perspective, I didn't check the numbers, but I worry about 3rd and long because our D seems bad at it. I'm actually more confident with 3rd and short. We just seem to keep getting torched on 3rd and 10, 3rd and 12, etc. 3rd and long and you can usually pressure the offense, but it seems we do the opposite, giving the QB time to kill us. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but for all our strengths we just don't look good on third and long plays. 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 We are the 17th best 3rd down defense in the league! Never mind 3rd and long... 39.34% tied with Bengals for 17th. Very average. But it all seems to work out OK in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’m anxious every single time it’s 3rd and long on defense 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3rd down has been a bit of an issue for the defense this year. Think is directly linked to the injuries and constant shuffling in the secondary. They were the best 3rd down defense in football last year and it wasn't close. They were top 10 in 2018 and 2019 too and just outside the top 10 in 2020. This is a bit of a down year but then no Hyde most of the year, no White over half of the year, shuffling guys in and out - Benford, Lewis, Hamlin, Johnson - have all played a fair number of snaps. That's three 6th rounders and an UDFA. 5 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 😆... I have been worried about 3rd and long since at least 1976... ***** Bert Jones! 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 This board is literally scared of every G*d damn thing known to man. I feel like I'm in the movie The Replacements. I guess I'll join in and give it a whirl..... Spiders. Anyone else scared of spiders? 3 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) Time for Frazier to prove he can come up with schemes and adjust his D those 3rd downs with slippery Mahomes running around or those other likely playoff bound QBs who likewise need to be pressured. We’ve been spending and drafting for that D-Line and in this, “our year”, we brought in Von to be our closer to fill in those deficiencies but he’s gone. Time for Frazier to step up and show us all that he’s got (and some tackling drills might help). It’s a narrow window we gotta strike now. Josh can’t walk on water forever. Edited December 22, 2022 by biggerdaddynj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said: Josh can’t walk on water forever Judging by his 2 point conversion Saturday night, soon he won't have to walk on water. He'll fly!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: This board is literally scared of every G*d damn thing known to man. I feel like I'm in the movie The Replacements. I guess I'll join in and give it a whirl..... Spiders. Anyone else scared of spiders? More scared of bees to tell you the truth. Or more accurately, wasps. Edited December 22, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 That's funny, it fits the script in the movie lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 No more wary of opponents in a 3rd and long situation than JA17 under center facing the same situation. The Bills can do attitude makes it easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Umm, no. I don’t watch Bills games scared and I don’t expect the worst. I think what they have done on defense with all of the injuries is pretty remarkable, and I expect them to improve as they get healthier in the secondary. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: This board is literally scared of every G*d damn thing known to man. I feel like I'm in the movie The Replacements. I guess I'll join in and give it a whirl..... Spiders. Anyone else scared of spiders? Clowns. I hate them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: More scared of bees to tell you the truth. Or more accurately, wasps. Spiders coach I’m scared of spiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 bend don't break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’m scared of being scared 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 When it's 3rd and long for them, it's just right for... them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Every play scares me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Judging by his 2 point conversion Saturday night, soon he won't have to walk on water. He'll fly!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Nextmanup said: We are the 17th best 3rd down defense in the league! Never mind 3rd and long... 39.34% tied with Bengals for 17th. Very average. But it all seems to work out OK in the end. Average does not feel right for this defense but there have been lots of injuries and they have played tougher opponents than say last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 It does happen alot. Just check The GameDay threads At the same time, we convert alot of 3rd and long on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 It's great that as Bills fans we can be scared of something that this defense is average at (17th in the league). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I am far more confident in our ability to convert a 3rd and 10 than any other teams vs our defense. It is not the absolute lockdown defense of last year but it is also a much harder schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Not as much as 3rd and 1 on offense scares me, but yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: It's great that as Bills fans we can be scared of something that this defense is average at (17th in the league). We're 17th in 3rd and long, or 3rd overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 I'm trying, but I just can't find the stats. 3rd down overall, but not 3rd and long. Not defensively at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Were actually at the point in my house the we prefer 3 and 3 more than 3 and 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Red King said: I'm trying, but I just can't find the stats. 3rd down overall, but not 3rd and long. Not defensively at least. I don't have a ranking on it - but they have given up a first down on 24 pass plays from 3rd and 7 or longer. there have been 84 pass attempts and 4 sacks - so 24/88 plays. The offense has 19 conversions on pass plays across the same time. If that seems low in comparison - note that we have only faced 3rd and long 67 times this year. So my guess is its high - for both offense and defense. At least we have a veteran CB coming back, and all of the other guys have taken their lumps through the season. It's an area that I think they can improve upon simply with the reps their getting, not necessarily strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I understand the nervous reactions to everything Bills having followed them for more than 50 years, but the key is points given up. Dolphins got field goals when they should have been TDs based on field position. Same in Vikings game before the fumble. I agree it may have to do with the DBs and Safety changes every week, but I'll take our chances against any of the playoff teams. Let them move the ball but keep them out of the endzone. I know we are still a top 5 defense in points allowed so take it easy everyone (although I know you can't) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills92 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said: I understand the nervous reactions to everything Bills having followed them for more than 50 years, but the key is points given up. Dolphins got field goals when they should have been TDs based on field position. Same in Vikings game before the fumble. I agree it may have to do with the DBs and Safety changes every week, but I'll take our chances against any of the playoff teams. Let them move the ball but keep them out of the endzone. I know we are still a top 5 defense in points allowed so take it easy everyone (although I know you can't) This.. I know everybody (including myself) would like us to be the reincarnate of the 85 Bears / 2000 Ravens / 2002 Bucs defence.. but unfortunately that died when Micah and Von went down. We are now the epitome of a 'bend don't break defense'... Many teams (including the Chiefs) have won Superbowls with similar type defenses... Those chances increases significantly when you have a hybrid Superhero Buffalo behind center Go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’m surprised we don’t ever see zero blitzes on 3rd and long. Seems effective for the most part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Average does not feel right for this defense but there have been lots of injuries and they have played tougher opponents than say last year. Despite all the injuries our D is #5 at defensive DVOA. Nope. Not worried. Concerned, but I'll always be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I'm not sure. Where's the cutoff for "long?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, The Red King said: We're 17th in 3rd and long, or 3rd overall? 17th in 3rd down overall. Bills were #1 on 3rd down last year. Maybe that's where the concern comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Nextmanup said: We are the 17th best 3rd down defense in the league! Never mind 3rd and long... 39.34% tied with Bengals for 17th. Very average. But it all seems to work out OK in the end. 3rd & 22 (Miami) 4th & 18 (Minn.) .....disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Maybe at our Home games, they need to make the 3rd Down Train Horn a little louder.......that might help out our percentage. All kidding aside, you do bring up a valid point, and hopefully we can get off the field at a better rate on third downs to save our defense from expending too many extra snaps down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Every.damn.time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 It’s a Bills tradition to give up thirds and long, they have been doing it for damn near forever, 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Yeah they have not been good at 3rd and long. As another poster mentioned, middle of the pack. Which is crazy because iirc, through 6 weeks they led the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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