Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: To beguile you with my mastery of the obvious, before we run to the "next Bill up" or the "the younglings have to fly on their own", please note the sole reason this man was brought in, at 33, for 20 million per, with about 60 million guaranteed was to get this team to a Super Bowl. ...along with himself and not as a cheerleader. I think this team is great without him and they may still go, but this is literally crushing. I'll say it again...given the position he plays, his age, and the stress on the lower body getting to the QB this just seemed inevitable. However, how I would love to see the Bills win a SB without any hired guns to help pull them over the top. It would be sweet. GO BILLS! There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: Yes and last year our defense and lack of pass rush let us down for a 3rd straight playoff season. Groot & Ed are going to have to do the heavy lifting. The playoff game and it’s fateful ending have been well documented , but can’t be pinned on pass rush. Heck they only rushed 3 and probably shouldn’t have even done that. Playoff games are going to be close and that’s why they pay Allen. CIN won by a FG just like the Bills would have had they employed their strategy properly. Last years gameeans nothing to this years and we can’t cry over injuries. Yes step up make plays and secure the #1 seed. That could be the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. All things considered, Von has been pretty durable. Some precaution to get a healthy Von back next season is the smart play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I know Groot will come to play. What I don't know is if any of the other DL will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. I disagree in the sense all of these injuries to some degree or another eventually are "overuse" injuries. The reason why these were very uncommon back in the days is because players didn't spend all off-season training and working out and running drills, etc. All of that puts additional stress on these parts of the body. Like a car tire that only gets so many miles, these parts of the body do the same. Each person is different and nobody knows for sure how many miles theirs has, but the more you workout and the more additional stress you put on it, the more likely it is at some point to require replacement/repair. So from the standpoint of nobody knowing when it's going to happen, yes, it's bad luck. From a standpoint of the injury itself, like anything else, continuous overuse makes it more likely it is going to happen at some point, just don't know what that point is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 This injury sucks so bad. Not only for this season but next year. z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Given his age and all he has already accomplished over his career, wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires, and that may be the best case scenario for the Bills, save some money and move on with another plan Edited December 7, 2022 by billybob71 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: He wont have a choice. Settlements happen every year no matter the size of the contract. Von will not have a choice but to settle on an agreement. THATS how this works. Wow. That is ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said: How so? 2023 season: $18.705 million cap hit 2024 season: $21.205 million cap hit OPTION: Cut Von Miller on June 1, 2025 2025 season: $3.705 million cap hit 2026 season: $3.705 million cap hit 2027 season: $0.0 million cap hit Trust the process. Brandon Beane knows what he's doing. There is one downside, if they want to free up money next year, they would have to convert his roster bonus to signing bonus to kick the can down the road further. So in theory they could free up ~10M of cap space, by converting that to signing bonus and add about 2.6M to the cap every year there after. So 2024 gets uglier and you pay for it longer down the road. All doable and at this point probable, you need to add somebody to make up for his presence next year and a #2 WR will have to be paid. Not to mention Edmunds has to be paid or replaced, though he already has a healthy cap hit, so that’s not going to be a big bump there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 A tough blow but I do think the Bills DE group is good enough to win with. Groot is a really good player and Boogie and AJ have stepped it up and Shaq is having a nice rebound season. Next man up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 What a bummer. Doesn’t mean the quest is over - not even close - but it undeniably lowers our ceiling, and frankly it just sucks. Why can’t we catch an effing break one of these years????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) It’s so frustrating because it’s such a waste of cap space next year as well. Now we have a 34 year old coming off an ACL that won’t return until midseason. Such a gut punch. This was a Dance with the Devil contract and we’re going to pay a huge price. Edited December 7, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cash said: What a bummer. Doesn’t mean the quest is over - not even close - but it undeniably lowers our ceiling, and frankly it just sucks. Why can’t we catch an effing break one of these years????? If they can hang on to the #1 seed that they hold in part due to Vons play @ KC they will have caught a pretty big break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, billybob71 said: Given his age and all he has already accomplished over his career, wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires, and that may be the best case scenario for the Bills, save some money and move on with another plan I’d be SHOCKED (and disappointed) if Von walked away from all that money. I don’t see that happening at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yes and last year our defense and lack of pass rush let us down for a 3rd straight playoff season. Groot & Ed are going to have to do the heavy lifting. That is what good coaching does. Scheme with what we have. Whether its blitzing safety's, CB's LB's, we will just have to manufacture pressure. As long as we have #17 we should be the favorite to win it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. Do you watch the way a modern edge rusher plays? That is not a knock on you at all and not a question, because I know you do. I'm just stating that the absolute stress undergone in some of the motions, and even the pivot change of directions, is tremendous. I didn't bring up Tre's injury, you did. I am not saying that they are all the same or even that they happen the same way. We have seen too many instances, otherwise. I also know the way Von's injury happened didn't occur exactly given my concerns. However, those were my concerns, especially with a guy as dominating and fast as Von. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Groot will be steady but then there's a big drop off to AJE, Boogie & Shaq. This really sucks. Yea and now offenses can key in on Oliver as well. Von was getting doubled alot but I'm optimistic these boys can get it done. I think Daquan Jones is very underrated piece to this DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, Augie said: I’d be SHOCKED (and disappointed) if Von walked away from all that money. I don’t see that happening at all. I wouldn't, seems to have alot of other interests and likes being in front of the camera. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, balln said: He doesn’t consistently win as a pass rusher. He has a bull rush. And then shoestring/ diving plays. I’m glad we have him. But he’s not the closer / finisher Von is. They actually work very well together. Groot needs a DE like Von Miller opposite him to be really effective against the passing game tho. Von was one of three players we couldn’t afford to lose. This one really hurts, but it’s rare anyone wins anything without overcoming adversity. It’s not going to be one player stepping up though, it’ll have to be everyone stepping up and pulling a little more weight. That all said, I can see Hughes back in Buffalo this season if released or next. That’s the kind of player we will need to help shore up DE while Von recovers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Rubes said: You seriously didn't just say that, did you? Josh is the one player we can't afford to lose. Von miller is a big loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Just thinking of this year, his season was over even if he didn’t tear the ACL. I posted when they put him on IR that he was going to get scoped to see how bad that meniscus tear was. If it just needed to be trimmed he could have been back for the playoffs. We know from the report that the lateral meniscus “moved” and needed to be put back. That’s BS. You don’t just push it back into place. It’s either shaved smooth or repaired. We now know Von had a large tear in the lateral meniscus and wasn’t going to be back for the playoffs anyway. If you repair the meniscus (which I bet they did since he was going to be non weight bearing from the ACL repair anyway) it’s 4-6 weeks non weight bearing before you even begin the rehab. His season was over, the MRI just gave us false hope. None of this make anything any better, just giving you guys a little insight. BTW you can’t just tighten up an ACL in a pro athlete. He got a new (probably cadaver) graft so he’s on the normal post-ACL rehab cycle which means most of next season if this isn’t a career ender. Edited December 7, 2022 by RunTheBall 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 More worried about the cap hit for future than winning this year...still think it's very possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Mopreme said: Wow. What a waste of money? Never should have signed him. Likely out next year too. 9/12 month recovery. Can I borrow that crystal ball after you’re done with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Getting the #1 seed is even more important now. We’ve gotta find a way to get that bye week. Can we still win a Super Bowl without von is the question. When he went down in the lions game I didn’t think so based on how we were playing. Idk. Groot has to step up and be the man. Shaq has been itching to play more and he’s going to get the chance Edited December 7, 2022 by BillsSbSoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Super Bowl aspirations are still there but it'll require more of one person in particular - Frazier. It's not that any one man can get Buffalo into the SB, but Leslie Frazier isn't going to do what he drew up to beat KC with anyone on this team but Von Miller. I'm afraid that when that crunch time inevitably arrives again, he'll get conservative and give Kansas City/Cincy/ what it expects he'll do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billybob71 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Big blow for sure, but if we get the same Josh Allen that we did in last years playoffs I still like our chances!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 When we gonna figure out how to replace people's ligaments with steel cable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Any vets out there worth bringing in? Ford, McPhee...cant think of anyone else. Maybe a high salary expiring contract could slip through waivers? Clowney or Yannick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, dpberr said: Super Bowl aspirations are still there but it'll require more of one person in particular - Frazier. It's not that any one man can get Buffalo into the SB, but Leslie Frazier isn't going to do what he drew up to beat KC with anyone on this team but Von Miller. I'm afraid that when that crunch time inevitably arrives again, he'll get conservative and give Kansas City/Cincy/ what it expects he'll do. Frazier needs to study what Bengals DC Lou Ararumo is doing. Beat KC three straight times and I think they held Mahomes to something around 250 yards passing last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: Just thinking of this year, his season was over even if he didn’t tear the ACL. I posted when they put him on IR that he was going to get scoped to see how bad that meniscus tear was. If it just needed to be trimmed he could have been back for the playoffs. We know from the report that the lateral meniscus “moved” and needed to be put back. That’s BS. You don’t just push it back into place. It’s either shaved smooth or repaired. We now know Von had a large tear in the lateral meniscus and wasn’t going to be back for the playoffs anyway. If you repair the meniscus (which I bet they did since he was going to be non weight bearing from the ACL repair anyway) it’s 4-6 weeks non weight bearing before you even begin the rehab. His season was over, the MRI just gave us false hope. None of this make anything any better, just giving you guys a little insight. BTW you can’t just tighten up an ACL in a pro athlete. He got a new (probably cadaver) graft so he’s on the normal post-ACL rehab cycle which means most of next season if this isn’t a career ender. 100. Gotta reconstruct the whole thing in a pro athlete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Well, this sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Greg S said: Frazier needs to study what Bengals DC Lou Ararumo is doing. Beat KC three straight times and I think they held Mahomes to something around 250 yards passing last week. Because we were within 13 seconds of defeating KC in three straight games as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MphsBillsfan Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Guess we got the Thanksgiving Day curse for star players blowing ACL's. No more Thanksgiving games! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Greg S said: Frazier needs to study what Bengals DC Lou Ararumo is doing. Beat KC three straight times and I think they held Mahomes to something around 250 yards passing last week. Rushes 3, drops 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFunPolice Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, uticaclub said: Look at that Philly D thou As much as I hate agreeing with Brady, he was right about that super Bowl. The Philly defense made ONE PLAY all game. It was the offense that won the game for the Eagles by scoring lots of points. Edited December 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, dpberr said: Super Bowl aspirations are still there but it'll require more of one person in particular - Frazier. It's not that any one man can get Buffalo into the SB, but Leslie Frazier isn't going to do what he drew up to beat KC with anyone on this team but Von Miller. I'm afraid that when that crunch time inevitably arrives again, he'll get conservative and give Kansas City/Cincy/ what it expects he'll do. Leeeeessssliiieeeee Fraaaaaazzzziiieeeeer... Your defenders are waiting on the field for you... If you join us right now, together we can turn the tiiiiddddeee... Oh, Leeeeeesssslie Fraaazier... We play offenses that will yield for you... If we manage to get this right... We'll be champions by Februiary's light... Bills Mafia will never be the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Also this is clearly a sign that we need to outright ban the blue pants/white jerseys combo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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