Edmunds Haters eat some crow.....

[Antonio]

I love Edmunds, yes he is not flashy, maybe lacks some impact plays, but he mekes it up in how much ground he can cover. 

It is the kind of player that we would very much miss if we don´t get to keep him.

[MarlinTheMagician]

I feel like the people that are anti-Edmunds overlap to a large degree with the folks that wanted to draft Josh Rosen.  They always know better than the Bills.

 

And I HATE the posters that pigeon-hole Edmunds as a player only of "immense physical gifts."  Dude is a worker,  He shows up, balls out and runs the defense.  He is so much more than just a physical specimen.  He is a steady, constant force dominating the middle of the field.  Agree with the poster who said we win that Jets game in a walk with him on the field.  Minnesota too for that matter.  We will not let him go to another team if it is our choice, my only fear is that he may want out of Buffalo for some reason.  Hopefully he never looks at this board and feels appreciated in Buffalo.

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

8 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Edmunds Haters eat some crow.....

 

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, Dopey said:

"It’s not the plays that he’s in on that I see. It’s the ones that he should have been in on that he’s nowhere to be found. "

What a complete 180 degrees pivot. Nice one. 😂

Never once did I not say that he cant or doesn’t make plays. He’s a starter in the NFL. Of course he can. What separates him from really good LBs is his situational awareness. And that’s what makes me not want him back on this team if he’s going to demand too 5 LB money. For what we’re paying him on a rookie contract that’s fine. He doesn’t deserve a future contract imo. And right now, Beane so far has agreed since he hasn’t been resigned yet. Time will tell. Youre no more right than I am there. 

10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Calling it like you see it isn't anything to be proud of. Pretty much everyone does, including folks who are wildly wildly wrong.

 

And if he were really out of position or late often he wouldn't be here. He's here and he's captain and he's a three-time Pro Bowler and they picked up his option because he does what they want him to do a very large percentage of the time. Maybe not what you want and expect. But what they want and expect.

 

 

Yet not enough to earn a 2nd contract yet. Got it 

[BuffaloRebound]

Edmunds has played well this year, but it can also be true that his backups are terrible.  Paying him more than Milano would be a crime.  

[MarlinTheMagician]

See my post "Tremaine Must Remain" from October 4.  Majority responded positively, but you can identify the haters (who seem a bit abashed today).

[MarlinTheMagician]

The other thing I think people fail to appreciate.  Milano and Edmunds function as a unit.  One without the other is like one hand clapping.  Together they bring incredible speed and coverage to the inside that pushes everything to the edges.  And when one of those edges is locked down by Tre White, and the deep middle is locked down by Poyer and Hyde, it is really tough to throw on the Bills.  Our problem the last three years has been the run, but that has been mainly due too poor tackle play from people like Star.  They took the dead cap hit on him for a reason.  With DaQuan and Settle and Phillips and Groot, when we are healthy we are really tough to run on now.  And if our secondary was healthy we would, IMHO, be the league's #1 defense.  That starts with two pairs - Edmunds and Milano, and Poyer and Hyde.

[skibum]

Yes, the pundits made a big stink out of Von Miller being out, but nobody said much about getting Edmunds and Tre back on the field. I think they more than offset the loss of Miller, who I see as more of a 'nice to have' luxury than a key peice of the D. 

[mrags]

7 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

The other thing I think people fail to appreciate.  Milano and Edmunds function as a unit.  One without the other is like one hand clapping.  Together they bring incredible speed and coverage to the inside that pushes everything to the edges.  And when one of those edges is locked down by Tre White, and the deep middle is locked down by Poyer and Hyde, it is really tough to throw on the Bills.  Our problem the last three years has been the run, but that has been mainly due too poor tackle play from people like Star.  They took the dead cap hit on him for a reason.  With DaQuan and Settle and Phillips and Groot, when we are healthy we are really tough to run on now.  And if our secondary was healthy we would, IMHO, be the league's #1 defense.  That starts with two pairs - Edmunds and Milano, and Poyer and Hyde.

The problem is like the Ryan Miller argument years ago. Edmunds is really good when he has “all” the pieces around him. But when one or two guys is missing he isn’t as effective. Well, buckle up because Poyer likely ain’t coming back, especially if they pay Edmunds. And Hyde is a year away from not coming back. And that’s if he can even manage to overcome his injury. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

The biggest reason the Bills DEF looked so good last night was that we were playing the Patriots. Edmunds return was mostly coincidental. 

 

I still think Edmunds is an average to above-average player, but most definitely NOT an elite difference maker. 

 

If he wants to sign for a discount I'd be happy to keep him, but it would be to the detriment of this team if we make him the highest (or top 5) paid LB.

 

The cap is mostly imaginary and easy to manipulate, but that does come at a cost. We're already over the cap for next year with Allen's extension kicking in. It wouldn't be worth it to manipulate the cap to the extent needed to get Edmunds big $$. Frankly it will be tough to keep him even at a discount. We're going to either have some cap casualties next year or play some extreme cap shenanigans.  

 

 

 

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

One other thing about Tremaine.  He is a great teammate, smart and articulate,and a process guy.  See his post-game from yesterday, takes no credit for himself, generous in his praise of his teammates, and says all they have to do to move forward is keep trusting the process.  Admires Tre White for his work ethic, and from what I have heard, Edmunds brings the same ethic as White every day.

[Big Turk]

They should all be forced to buy and wear this shirt every Bills game from now on.

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/tremaine-edmunds-maine-savage-t-shirt-available-as-part-of-bills-fan-box

[Eastport bills]

Anyone that can’t see Edmunds incredible value and chemistry with Milano just has unfounded bias towards a rare talent that we must retain. His speed and physicality now has been combined with improved instincts and anticipation. This freak athlete is 24. Lock him up now.

[Max Fischer]

8 hours ago, beerme1 said:

He was good. I 'm not going to overpay him for the next contract so the issue remains. He walks.

 

No crow here.

 

BS. Who is advocating "overpaying" Edmunds or any other player?  Explain to us what Edmunds is worth. I think it's Matt Milano money if not 10% more. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

7 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

BS. Who is advocating "overpaying" Edmunds or any other player?  Explain to us what Edmunds is worth. I think it's Matt Milano money if not 10% more. 

He is worth to us 1% more than the next-highest bidder, which is why I hope he wants to be here!  If he wants to be here, he will take a "fair deal" -- need not even be "team friendly", just not a gross overpay (please).  Take care of your own.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

9 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

This is what i love about the NFL. Every young player is a bust after a game, or a few games, or a year. It takes time and some get better as time goes on.

 

That said, it was only the Pats

So true. As I’ve gotten older, I can’t stand the overreaction to everything I think Edmunds is a good player who can potentially be great. I still think he would be an absolute animal at OLB.  But if I didn’t like him, one game against a crappy offense won’t make me change my opinion.

[TN Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Kwai San said:

OK....I TOTALLY get that some people aren't so happy with Edmunds past performances.  However this year and yes tonight after being out for 2 games the kid stepped up and had some actually awesome stops!  Please point out the horrific plays tonight cuz I sure didn't see them.  The dude is gonna get paid and right now he is deserving......sorry Edmunds haters but he is and kinda has been damn good......even tho he doesn't fit YOUR mold.  Sorry.

Looked like a different player.  Dominated in the hole.   If this is the player he has become-great news.  Will we see it consistently?  Hope so.

[Clark Rotary]

I'll say it again, I love any Edmund thread!  He's good, he's bad - he's definitely interesting!  Oh, and he's good.   

[Shaw66]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

Actually, I don't think that's right.   He developed, yes.   He's gotten much better at attacking the run, and it's been a gradual progression, year after year.   But what I think he brought right from the beginning was his impact on the pass defense.   That's why he played every snap as a rookie.  You could see the difference in the pass defense last night over the previous few games.   He was around the ball on a lot of throws, whereas Klein was nowhere to be seen when he was playing pass defense.  He has had major impact in the passing game for several years now.  He got better at that, too, but he was a unique contributor from the beginning.  

 

I gotta say, however, that it wasn't just Edmunds.   The whole pass defense tightened nicely last night, and it seemed pretty clear to me that it was the combination of Edmunds, Poyer, and White.   They're just much better players than their replacements, and having all three guys on the field last night was one of the reasons Mac Jones couldn't do anything.  

[DrDawkinstein]

53 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

BS. Who is advocating "overpaying" Edmunds or any other player?  Explain to us what Edmunds is worth. I think it's Matt Milano money if not 10% more. 

 

lo, If we could sign him to even 20% more than Milano, we would have done it already. As a matter of fact, we are paying him Milano+20% right now.

 

Milano makes $10M/year. That is CHUMP CHANGE.

 

Edmunds' market value will likely be $18-20M/year. How do you feel about having to pay him that much?

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[BullBuchanan]

Did we watch the same game? My favorite part was when he gives up on pursuit of this runner when he's within 2 yards of him.
 

 

A close second is watching him perform his signature move - getting caught in the trash on this 3rd and 18 run:

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[benderbender]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

This x1000. We are Bills fans. We want our players to do well. Anyone who wants a player to fail just to confirm their own preferences can surrender their fan card imho. Amazing how short memories are about that. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Luka said:

Defense looks mostly the same with or without him. Now when a good player goes down, like Milano or Poyer, someone like that, there is a considerable drop off in the entire unit's performance. 

 

This must be a post from 2021. There's no way you've watched the defense when he isn't on the field this year and haven't noticed a drop off.

[Dopey]

28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Did we watch the same game? My favorite part was when he gives up on pursuit of this runner when he's within 2 yards of him.
 

 

A close second is watching him perform his signature move - getting caught in the trash on this 3rd and 18 run:

 

We watched the same game. Just not as a hater. 

[Warriorspikes51]

I've been indifferent on him for a while....but after seeing the pass defense without him for a few weeks...

It's pretty clear he covers a lot of ground and QB's are weary of going at him. 

If we can get him at 15 mil per, do it 

[Just in Atlanta]

Even my fiance points to Edwards and she's like "why is the big guy with the dreds just running around in circles, blocking random guys? He's always the SECOND guy tackling someone."

 

He rarely blows up plays. 

Once you see it you can't unsee it. 

 

Having said that, our d is different with him in it. And when he tackles someone solo, he engulfs them. Offenses avoid him. It's clear. 

He's a bit of an enigma but I do believe we are very lucky to have him. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I have been hard on him all along. He’s played excellent. Great job getting better. Hopefully we keep him 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Edmunds is having by far his best season.   He's been very good.   

 

His weaknesses are still his weaknesses though.

 

He doesn't make any plays on the football whatsoever and until that changes dramatically it will relegate him into the various levels of "good" rather than into the "great" category.    He's been as uninstinctive wrt the football as any LB I've ever seen.    He misses EVERY opportunity to make a play on the football that is presented.

 

And he really struggles to get off blocks and can turn into a tumbleweed when OL get to the second level because of it.........leaving the Bills vulnerable to long run plays.

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

lo, If we could sign him to even 20% more than Milano, we would have done it already. As a matter of fact, we are paying him Milano+20% right now.

 

Milano makes $10M/year. That is CHUMP CHANGE.

 

Edmunds' market value will likely be $18-20M/year. How do you feel about having to pay him that much?

 

 

Fine, I thought Milano was at $12-13M. I think Edmunds is worth about $15M/6yrs. 

[Success]

It was kind of dismaying to see some of the fanbase talk about him like this era's Kelsay.  

 

He came into the league at a pretty young age.  And he has played well every year, pretty clearly getting better w/ each season.  Now, I'd say he is vital to the success of this defense. 

 

Beane will have to work some more cap magic to keep him here.  He'll be a great player for a long time.

 

[Utah John]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I'll admit to being disappointed in his play prior to this season. Amazing what a contract year (and better DTs) can do to light a fire under some guys...

 

He'll maybe never play with the sustained physicality and relentlessness that one might want out of such a supremely talented athlete, but at least we're seeing a glimpse of what they were hoping for when they moved up in the first round to draft him. He's playing well.

 

If this means I'm eating crow, so be it. 

He'll maybe never play with the sustained physicality and relentlessness that one might want out of such a supremely talented athlete

 

Or maybe he WILL play like that.  His career has been a continuous year to year improvement.  There is no sign that that's coming to an end, no sign that he's hit a ceiling.  He's going to get paid, and I hope the Bills are the team to do it.

Neither of our LBs get a lot of sacks or interceptions, and unfortunately those are the metrics that lazy Pro Bowl voters look at.  But they are both doing exactly what Frazier wants them to do.  When healthy, our D is a complete unit working together, like none I've ever seen.  The absence of Edmunds OR Milano in particular games this year has shown how valuable they both are.  

 

 

[Sestak4ever]

Thought Edmunds played very well. He actually met running backs in the hole and stood them up. Great game. Would love to see that more often. He might have turned the corner and continues to improve.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

This is what i love about the NFL. Every young player is a bust after a game, or a few games, or a year. It takes time and some get better as time goes on.

 

That said, it was only the Pats

 

So for the reasons you mention, Spencer Brown is now the new whipping boy as after playing like a total of bout 20 games and off season surgery, he's not all-pro yet.

[No_Matter_What]

Edmunds was imo always a little better than he was given a credit for by an average Bills fan, but he looks really good to me this year.

 

However, I still don't see how we pay him, and if we do, it will become increasingly complicated to navigate the cap.

 

I said before the season that 2022 Bills are the strongest team we could field for the foreseeable future. I think we will be at least slightly worse next year - without Edmunds, Poyer and Singletary, or at least two of them. We will obviously compete but this is the peak imo.

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

For the most part, I agree.  But there definitely were some posters who hated him and thought that he was terrible….when he was never terrible.  

[Buffalo Boy]

11 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Sorry

I don’t think you are😎

[B-Man]

Edmunds has improved this season 

 

some due to him

 

mostly due to Phillips, Oliver and the rest keeping the blocks of of him. 
 

 

[CountDorkula]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

For the most part, I agree.  But there definitely were some posters who hated him and thought that he was terrible….when he was never terrible.  

There are still people who think he is terrible. I saw it last night. 

 

I’ve never seen a player get blamed for so much that’s more often than not, not his fault. 
 

Every time a big run happens, it’s Edmunds fault. 

it’s weird. 

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There was never a such thing as an Edmunds hater. Before this season he didn't live up to his draft status and was often times singled out and exploited by smart offenses. This year everything has finally clicked for him and it's impossible to imagine the defense being successful without him. I'm not going to eat crow. He developed into a much better player. Instead of pretending that he has always been this good I'm going to credit him for working his ass off to get to this point. And yes I would happily reward him with a big contract at the end of the season.

Draft status? That’s a total bogus argument, How in the world is it on the college kid as to when a pro team picks him?? The answer is it is totally on the team, not the player. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[beerme1]

13 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

BUT....how do YOU know????  Seriously just how do you know thats what he is looking for +4 million???  Maybe looking around at the team he too thinks I give the Bills a decent price like several of my teammates and perhaps this might be a good thing???  How do you know????????  Perhaps you could be the next Nostradamus????  Just might be a calling for you.  Ya never know......

 

Ohh you're so right. But YOU assume he will give a discount to remain here? I believe my theory more than yours. You ain't no Nostradamus.