NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread

[Lost]

Well the Chiefs are getting chewed up by the run just as bad as the Bills did today.

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, Lost said:

Well the Chiefs are getting chewed up by the run just as bad as the Bills did today.

If we played the Titans now rather than when we did, I would wager the outcome would be very different.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

The only experienced, (arguably) quality, players we had out there were Edmunds and Miller. We probably were a bit lost.

 

ETA - Oh and Phillips. Can’t even recall Oliver being mentioned.

 

Oliver led all DLinemen in tackles.

Phillips played very poorly for the second week in a row.

[97bills]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Random thought …

 

What happened to Cook?

 

Were his touches too productive early on?  
 

Shakir treatment?.. oh, you make plays as a rookie?.. To the bench with you. 

McDermott always gives the veterans more playing time , even if the young guys are better. He’s needs to rethink that. Because McKenzie isn’t doing nothing!!!! 

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Oliver led all DLinemen in tackles.

Phillips played very poorly for the second week in a row.

I feel like JP is getting too many reps for his skill set. He’s a very good penetrator but not great at the point of attack. I like him in third downs

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't mind us using this base nickel, but if you have a team like (GB- no wrs) or NYJ ( mediocre qb) you gotta adjust out of this nickel. They're going to run the damn ball. As will Dalvin Cook next weekend. This incessant stubborn strategy to stay in the nickel forever is just foolish. Good teams should be making adjustments weekly.

So you take Taron off the field (who might be out best DB aside from Poyer when he plays) and what other mediocre LB do you put in there (assuming Edmunds and Milano are in there)? Benard or Dodson? I don't see either of them moving the needle more than Taron, especially Bernard today woof

[newcam2012]

38 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I keep coming back to the fact that Allen said he didn’t do anything but rest and recover this offseason.
 

With the benefit of hindsight, Allen hasn’t just had two bad games. He’s certainly looked bad. The guy recently reinvented and retooled his natural throwing motion. Not hugely surprising the whole system looks wonky midway through the season. 
 

I know in my sport it would take years to make the smallest adjustments permanent and applicable under both physical and mental pressure. I couldn’t imagine not doing anything to reinforce that between world championship seasons.  

My "fan" eye sees Allen with happy feet, tunnel vision, and poor mechanics like throwing off his back foot. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If we played the Titans now rather than when we did, I would wager the outcome would be very different.

They were better when we played them honestly.  Malik Willis will get there but he’s less effective than tannehill at the moment 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[zow2]

Also,  Can Vegas stop with the double digit road favorites nonsense?! That was such a nonsensical point spread i actually won a few bucks.  Not sure why i didn’t bet the mortgage. I’m kicking myself. It felt like the Jets Super Bowl even before the game started.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They were better when we played them honestly.  Malik Willis will get there but he’s less effective than Tannehill at the moment 

True, but whatever they were doing at the beginning of the year, their offense wasn't all on the same page with Henry.  He didn't do much of anything against us when we played then.  I kinda cringe thinking about playing him now.

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They were better when we played them honestly.  Malik Willis will get there but he’s less effective than tannehill at the moment 

You think this current Bills defense could stop Henry and Wilis from running wild? 

[Billz4ever]

21 minutes ago, 97bills said:

McDermott always gives the veterans more playing time , even if the young guys are better. He’s needs to rethink that. Because McKenzie isn’t doing nothing!!!! 

IMO, Shakir should be in there, not McKenzie. Period.

Just now, newcam2012 said:

You think this current Bills defense could stop Henry and Wilis from running wild? 

I don't even want to think about it.

[Since1981]

First couple games featured short, fast, 2.5s releases. I don’t recall crosses or 7 yd plays today 

[Scott7975]

The Bills will be fine.  They had a bad game.  All teams do.  If they didnt then Miami wouldnt still be the only undefeated team for over 2000 years now.

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

This actually feels like an early criticism of Allen. It is almost deja vu. We’ve had this conversation before. 

As much as the Bills say they want a receiving back, they don’t actually want one. We spent two years benching Yeldon, to draft Cook, to then trade for Hines. 

Threw to Cook twice.  Got a first down.  Then threw a hospital ball that got Cook lit up and somehow that meant no more Cook. 

[DC Greg]

52 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I keep coming back to the fact that Allen said he didn’t do anything but rest and recover this offseason.
 

With the benefit of hindsight, Allen hasn’t just had two bad games. He’s certainly looked bad. The guy recently reinvented and retooled his natural throwing motion. Not hugely surprising the whole system looks wonky midway through the season. 
 

I know in my sport it would take years to make the smallest adjustments permanent and applicable under both physical and mental pressure. I couldn’t imagine not doing anything to reinforce that between world championship seasons.  

This is the funniest thing I’ve read on TBD in a long time 

[JerseyBills]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Also,  Can Vegas stop with the double digit road favorites nonsense?! That was such a nonsensical point spread i actually won a few bucks.  Not sure why i didn’t bet the mortgage. I’m kicking myself. It felt like the Jets Super Bowl even before the game started.

"Road favorite"

That place was 50% Bills fans. If anything it was a neutral site. I have pictures but they're too big to post on here. Bills Mafia was in the building!! Brutal but humbling Loss

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, Steptide said:

Defense was an absolute joke today 

20 points is an absolute joke? Minus multiple starters as well..

Give me a break.. 

The O was brutal 

They picked up right where they left off in the 2nd half vs GB

[Low Positive]

Just think about the game winning pass to Knox in KC. Then think about Josh in the second half against GB and all day today. Completely different dudes.

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I feel like JP is getting too many reps for his skill set. He’s a very good penetrator but not great at the point of attack. I like him in third downs

 

I agree with this 100% and not just because I don't trust Phillips (which I admittedly do not), but I think the Bills coaches are so slavishly inflexible with their rotation that they're hurting themselves at critical moments. Today was a fine example when the Jets got the ball inside their own 5 with about 7:00 left and who comes trotting on the field but Jordan Phillips. 10 seconds after my wife told me to stop grumbling about it, the Jets were on the move.

The reason they run that rotation in the first place is so they can have everybody fresh at crunch time, but when crunch time comes around it's time to get your best players out there. Ed Oliver should have been out there to start that series right next to Settle or Jones, as opposed to Phillips who still spends way too much time trying to slip blocks instead of aggressively engaging OLinemen to stone opposing offenses like he should be. 

Somebody on that staff needs to sit him down and explain to him that if he continues to go out there and play for himself and hang his teammates out to dry, he's going to end up right back in Arizona or some other place that is looking for a glory hound. Guy's got a ton of talent but until he starts playing more like a fighter than a dancer, he's always going to be a liability at key moments.

[CincyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

20 points is an absolute joke? Minus multiple starters as well..

Give me a break.. 

The O was brutal 

They picked up right where they left off in the 2nd half vs GB

The Bill's offensive strength was negated by the Jets defensive strength.  It was strength versus strength.

 

In contrast the defense is also a Bill's strength.  Can you say that offense is a Jets strength?  Again, only giving up 20 points to KC or Philadelphia is a good defensive performance.  Against the Jets it's not so good. And throw in the fact that the Jets moved the ball at crucial times during the game resulting in huge momentum changes magnified the defenses poor play.

 

It was a team loss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Best Williams Available]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Random thought …

 

What happened to Cook?

 

Were his touches too productive early on?  
 

Shakir treatment?.. oh, you make plays as a rookie?.. To the bench with you. 

In close games the coaches just don’t trust rookies and young players unless they’re forced to.

[MarkyMannn]

7 hours ago, 14774 said:

Last year should've been their year. This team will be like the 90's Bills, a tease.

Poor post. Making 4 SB's is a tease? You've got no clue

[TheWeatherMan]

13 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

Poor post. Making 4 SB's is a tease? You've got no clue

It teased the hell out of me considering two of the SB’s we should have dominated.  

[Brand J]

Bills had 254 yards of offense but only 14 pts at halftime. They had 63 total yards and 3 points the entire second half. Brutal. This loss was absolutely on the offense, as was the Miami L.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

"Road favorite"

That place was 50% Bills fans. If anything it was a neutral site. I have pictures but they're too big to post on here. Bills Mafia was in the building!! Brutal but humbling Loss

Brutal loss. I was there. It was close to 50/50. It was loud for the Jets on offense. MVP chants after Allen's second TD run. 

[Doc Brown]

44 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

It teased the hell out of me considering two of the SB’s we should have dominated.  

I can't believe we're arguing about this 30 years later but we were only favored in the first Super Bowl and decent sized underdogs (at least +6.5) in the other three.

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Allen with two awful turnovers. Rookie picks. 

2 weeks in a row with 2 ints and a red zone pick 

Not going to win much playing that way.

 

Maybe something changed during the bye?

Not sure but those were certainly some of the worse tos since his 2nd season 

[Big Blitz]

41 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Bills had 254 yards of offense but only 14 pts at halftime. They had 63 total yards and 3 points the entire second half. Brutal. This loss was absolutely on the offense, as was the Miami L.

 

The Jets having the ball the first 9 minutes of the 2nd half set the tone.  
 

The coaches did a p** poor job today.  
 

 

Fake punt led to a first down then a TD on that drive 

 

A 13 play 75 yard Jets TD drive to close out the 1st half.  

 

A 96 yard drive at the end of the game.  
 

The O stunk.  But it went up against a great Defense.  
 

Our D looked lost.  

Edited November 7, 2022 by Big Blitz

[14774]

2 hours ago, MarkyMannn said:

Poor post. Making 4 SB's is a tease? You've got no clue

🤣🤦‍♂️ Isn't the point of the season to WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP? 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

Bills had 254 yards of offense but only 14 pts at halftime. They had 63 total yards and 3 points the entire second half. Brutal. This loss was absolutely on the offense, as was the Miami L.

I think you'll see that pretty much any loss of this team will result from Josh having a bad game.

 

The whole team lives and dies on his shoulders.

 

It will be that way until his career is over.

 

 

[Scott7975]

***** Cole and Feliciano.

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I agree with this 100% and not just because I don't trust Phillips (which I admittedly do not), but I think the Bills coaches are so slavishly inflexible with their rotation that they're hurting themselves at critical moments. Today was a fine example when the Jets got the ball inside their own 5 with about 7:00 left and who comes trotting on the field but Jordan Phillips. 10 seconds after my wife told me to stop grumbling about it, the Jets were on the move.

The reason they run that rotation in the first place is so they can have everybody fresh at crunch time, but when crunch time comes around it's time to get your best players out there. Ed Oliver should have been out there to start that series right next to Settle or Jones, as opposed to Phillips who still spends way too much time trying to slip blocks instead of aggressively engaging OLinemen to stone opposing offenses like he should be. 

Somebody on that staff needs to sit him down and explain to him that if he continues to go out there and play for himself and hang his teammates out to dry, he's going to end up right back in Arizona or some other place that is looking for a glory hound. Guy's got a ton of talent but until he starts playing more like a fighter than a dancer, he's always going to be a liability at key moments.

 

Truth. 

 

When he plays at his best, Phillips is a huge upgrade on Bryant, and maybe even on Ed as he played his way back from the high ankle, but fundamentally JP is like Forest Gump's damned bunch of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.   Did you notice after a successful run play where Phillips didn't mind his gap in the first half, Edmunds came up and got in his face?  The next couple run plays got stuffed.  But Edmunds can't get in a guy's face every snap, especially when he has his own struggles.

 

Obviously, missing Poyer and Milano, and then Elam and Jackson and Rousseau going out didn't help, but I wonder if the D has gotten a bit lackadaisical.  Like, they figure if they're holding the other team to 20 points or less and maybe getting a takeaway, they've done their job and can make some "career decisions" and ease off.  But they can't count on Josh to never have a bad day or to always light up the scoreboard like pinball.

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

20 points is an absolute joke? Minus multiple starters as well..

Give me a break.. 

The O was brutal 

They picked up right where they left off in the 2nd half vs GB

 

I'm not trying to defend the offense or say they weren't brutal.

 

But when your defense another team to sustain 14 and 15 play drives, 8 minute drives; when they give up 176 yds rushing one week and 208 yds the previous week (WITH Poyer and Milano), it's hard to argue that they're Doing Their Job.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I think you'll see that pretty much any loss of this team will result from Josh having a bad game.

 

The whole team lives and dies on his shoulders.

 

It will be that way until his career is over.

 

This could just be me....but I think what Dawkins said in the locker room is closer to truth.

 

 

[BananaB]

Did anyone ever see the phantom holding replay on last drive? Oddly I think there was one against us on the last drive when we lost to the Phins too. 

[Steptide]

7 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

20 points is an absolute joke? Minus multiple starters as well..

Give me a break.. 

The O was brutal 

They picked up right where they left off in the 2nd half vs GB

You're correct. But the defense also let the jets just run it 75 yards for the game winning fg

[MarkyMannn]

6 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

It teased the hell out of me considering two of the SB’s we should have dominated.  

Well at least the first

[BananaB]

37 minutes ago, Steptide said:

You're correct. But the defense also let the jets just run it 75 yards for the game winning fg

Jets passed once and the drive started on our 4 yard line😂. Not sure what is more embarrassing, that or losing to the Pats while they attempted 3 passes all game. 
 

What’s the point of having all those DBs on the field if they ain’t even passing? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

So, who went to the airport? 🤔

[Gunsgoodtime]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Jets passed once and the drive started on our 4 yard line😂. Not sure what is more embarrassing, that or losing to the Pats while they attempted 3 passes all game. 
 

What’s the point of having all those DBs on the field if they ain’t even passing? 

Because we need people on the field, we are trading for backups for when our backup thats starting gets hurt lol