NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread

[IndyMark]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

Stop with this stuff, makes you look petty. Endorsements aren’t making him play bad, but comments like this make you look bad 

 

Strike a nerve?  This is a message board, you do not look good here telling someone to stop sharing their thoughts on a message board.

 

Josh looked distracted today and is not playing at the level he nor anyone would likely expect. 

 

Petty? Me thinks you need a dictionary.

 

 

[Motor26]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

 I don't think teams fear the Bills. 

 

That's a bold statement for the team who is the number 1 seed in the AFC with the MVP favorite at QB. They had a bad game, they weren't going to go 16-1 this season. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Some refs would call that pass interference, especially if you see the reverse angle with the DB making contact way down the field, but Davis still needs to go get the ball, not wait for it.    If he goes to the ball and fights for it, he might get the PI since the DB never turns around.  Davis was NOT good today.  

agreed. That, plus I think Dawkins arms being on the outside made it a bad look.

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

 

The lack of plays called for Knox in the middle or running back routes is something that has been far under utilized. I hope once Hines gets the playbook down he can be a receiving threat out of the backfield. And they should absolutely throw to Knox more on designed plays. 

never replaced Beas. Crowder was supposed to be that. Not sure what Knox is good for if they won’t use him across the middle. 

[julian]

2 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Yuuup! You all owe me a public apology. Go ahead and start now. I’m ready. 💁‍♂️

Welp, now all the Debbie’s have a new tag line… “ remember the Jets game ? “

Change is good.

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Some refs would call that pass interference, especially if you see the reverse angle with the DB making contact way down the field, but Davis still needs to go get the ball, not wait for it.    If he goes to the ball and fights for it, he might get the PI since the DB never turns around.  Davis was NOT good today.  

Agree. All year we have seen a parade of PI’s. The announcers speak to “he never turned “ to see the ball. Classic pi this year, but no call on sauce. Bills have gotten very few pi and d holding in coverage. Kind of strange since they have one of the more high powered O’s. Suace is the media darling next “shut down cb” 😂. 

Holding on DD was also a joke. Jets ran about 40 times and zero holding. Suddenly DD pancakes the DE to the inside. Not remotely close to JA and no gets there first OL hold of the entire game! Having said that, Bills coached and played poorly!!!

[Johnnycage46]

Do we give the Titans ANY chance of beating KC tonight?  That would really help lol.

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

There is no doubt the Bills got out coached. They had no answers to stop their run attack. It was pitiful when the Bills had them pinned at the 4 yard line in the 4th quarter. Run, run, run, and more runs with no answer. That just can't happen! What adjustments did they make? No way this team makes a super Bowl appearance playing like that. The division is a log jam. I don't think teams fear the Bills. Adjustments needs to be made. I'm not a great xs and os guy. Maybe someone here can give some good insight. Right now, this is a crappy Sunday. 

The defense was shattered at that point. They needed the O to get points on the board, give them a cushion, spend time on the field to help them recover. Not keep being put out there because of boneheaded idiocy.

[thenorthremembers]

Hate to say it but with teams going to two high shell and playing man coverage you either need to start taking advantage of the middle of the field or Josh needs to drop back and then run straight up the field.

 

Against that type of defense Dawson Knox should be eating right now, but is somehow non existent.  

[Bob in STL]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

There is no doubt the Bills got out coached. They had no answers to stop their run attack. It was pitiful when the Bills had them pinned at the 4 yard line in the 4th quarter. Run, run, run, and more runs with no answer. That just can't happen! What adjustments did they make? No way this team makes a super Bowl appearance playing like that. The division is a log jam. I don't think teams fear the Bills. Adjustments needs to be made. I'm not a great xs and os guy. Maybe someone here can give some good insight. Right now, this is a crappy Sunday. 

The running defense is a concern. Milano out hurt was a factor.  Bad backup DB tackling was a factor.   From the X and O standpoint, they never left the nickel defense either, at least from what I saw.   I think the problem was more about missing Milano and some bad tackling on top of it.  

 

Still, we only needed 21 points to win and we left at least 10 on the field.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

Agree. All year we have seen a parade of PI’s. The announcers speak to “he never turned “ to see the ball. Classic pi this year, but no call on sauce. Bills have gotten very few pi and d holding in coverage. Kind of strange since they have one of the more high powered O’s. Suace is the media darling next “shut down cb” 😂. 

Holding on DD was also a joke. Jets ran about 40 times and zero holding. Suddenly DD pancakes the DE to the inside. Not remotely close to JA and no gets there first OL hold of the entire game! Having said that, Bills coached and played poorly!!!

There was lots of holding by the jets on those big runs. On one of their biggest runs, Phillips was held badly. 

 

I actually don’t mind if they let that go— but to call that hold on DD at the end then, it really had to have been egregious. And it wasn’t. Killed that drive. 

[QLBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

Strike a nerve?  This is a message board, you do not look good here telling someone to stop sharing their thoughts on a message board.

 

Josh looked distracted today and is not playing at the level he nor anyone would likely expect. 

 

Petty? Me thinks you need a dictionary.

 

 

I think JA not playing well is spot on. Not sure why but trying too hard. I love the drive and energy but needs to stop forcing and take what they give.OL and run game needs to improve to allow JA to stay calm and just make the easiest read. 

[CSBill]

Yes, the Defense sucked when it was needed most—I can’t believe how easily the Jets moved down the field on that last drive. It made me ill. 
 

But, really, holding them to 20 points should be a win for this team with this offense. 

Edited November 6, 2022 by CSBill

[UKBillFan]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

Hate to say it but with teams going to two high shell and playing man coverage you either need to start taking advantage of the middle of the field or Josh needs to drop back and then run straight up the field.

 

Against that type of defense Dawson Knox should be eating right now, but is somehow non existent.  

He’s not being used. More than once he was free and looking for the ball tonight, but Josh didn’t throw to him.

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

There was lots of holding by the jets on those big runs. On one of their biggest runs, Phillips was held badly. 

 

I actually don’t mind if they let that go— but to call that hold on DD at the end then, it really had to have been egregious. And it wasn’t. Killed that drive. 

Yea I’m with you. What is holding ? What is PI? Neither were called all day! Ok the teams adjust but then the DD call blows up the consistency. 

[NickelCity]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Hate to say it but with teams going to two high shell and playing man coverage you either need to start taking advantage of the middle of the field or Josh needs to drop back and then run straight up the field.

 

Against that type of defense Dawson Knox should be eating right now, but is somehow non existent.  

 

This team is really missing a slot receiver like beasley (his form from a couple years back)

[SUNTANBILLS FAN]

17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I hated that call, but as soon as I saw them go to the ground I had a feeling the flag would come out. You see that every week go uncalled, but the refs decided to throw the flag here. It's a very gray area. The camera showed McDermott arguing to the ref after that the defender had a hold of Dawkins' jersey and pulled him down.

Omg he pancaked him how is that holding 

[henry jones]

9 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

In the 3rd quarter the defense gave up a long drive but got them the ball back only to see the offense turned it over two plays later and advance the Jets even closer to the goal line.  That is why we didn't "touch the ball".   You want the offense to get more touches?   Get more first downs, stop the constant 20 yard deep plays and take what is given underneath.  

And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back.  Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.  

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Nitro said:

• Pump the brakes on Super Bowl talk
• Allen has not played well in two weeks.
• Adding one person (OBJ) will do nothing
• The injuries have slowed down the defense
• The O line is patch work.  Draft again top talent.
• All is not lost but the bye has actually hurt this team.

The D is fine 

We gave up 20 points on the road with 2 terrible to's

 

We gave up 17 last week 

 

Our offense scored 20 points in the last 6 Quarters

 

They're the issue and it's getting concerning 

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, henry jones said:

And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back.  Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.  

Then surely you spend as much time on the field of play as possible to burn the clock in a close game and not allow the Jets O back on the field?

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

Omg he pancaked him how is that holding 

That’s absolutely not holding in the NFL or the game we just watched. 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, NickelCity said:

 

This team is really missing a slot receiver like beasley (his form from a couple years back)

Even his form from last year is better than what they have now.  Davis can't catch a cold and Mckenzie has about as much awareness as a blind bird in a world full of glass windows.

[Heathcliff]

The early 90’s Bills were great and they lost a few games during the season. Some as dreadful as this one. On to the Vikings.  

[Johnnycage46]

9 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

That's a bold statement for the team who is the number 1 seed in the AFC with the MVP favorite at QB. They had a bad game, they weren't going to go 16-1 this season. 

I would imagine there is less fear now after the last couple of weeks (i.e. tape showing some serious deficiency in run D, taking away certain routes or taking Diggs away).  

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

Omg he pancaked him how is that holding 

Yeah, it makes no sense. Typical ticky tack call that affects the game late.

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

That's a bold statement for the team who is the number 1 seed in the AFC with the MVP favorite at QB. They had a bad game, they weren't going to go 16-1 this season. 

If I was an opposition fan, the only concern I’d have is if Josh gets his act together. Until then, bring us on.

[CoudyBills]

5 minutes ago, henry jones said:

And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back.  Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.  

The defense that gave up 20?  That degense

[Ya Digg?]

12 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

Strike a nerve?  This is a message board, you do not look good here telling someone to stop sharing their thoughts on a message board.

 

Josh looked distracted today and is not playing at the level he nor anyone would likely expect. 

 

Petty? Me thinks you need a dictionary.

 

 

Please, enlighten me on what petty means then. You’re upset because god forbid he does something outside of football, as if people aren’t able to multitask or stay focused on the task at hand. What did Josh do today that made him look distracted? Give specific examples. I’m sure he was thinking about his Gillette commercials or his podcast in the middle of the third quarter….give me a break

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

That's a bold statement for the team who is the number 1 seed in the AFC with the MVP favorite at QB. They had a bad game, they weren't going to go 16-1 this season. 

It is a bold statement and I stand by it. The Bills look vulnerable on offense and defense. As a unit they played poorly vs the Packers and Jets. I think teams believe the  "mighty" Bills are beatable. I could feel that energy early in the Jets game. It grew stronger and stronger as the game continued. They Jets D wasn't afraid of Allen and their offense pounded the rock 7 straight times starting at their 4 yard line. This loss is quite concerning because it was a loss on all levels by so many individuals. That includes the coaches too. It's not time to panic. However, the level of concern has arrived. The AFC east division is a log jam. The Bills are 0-2 in the division. Don't think for a minute that the Dolphins or the Jets won't be confident entering the Bills stadium. Yes, I think the Bills are still the best team in the division. Clearly, they didn't play like it today. Teams now know how to attack the Bills on both sides of the ball. The Bills got clobbered on both sides of the lines. That's a recipe to lose games. Allen looks human and frankly pretty bad the last 2 games. Are the Bills issues lack of talent? Poor coaching schemes? Injuries? Allen's mechanics and vision is rookie like. I just stop right here...

Edited November 6, 2022 by newcam2012

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, henry jones said:

And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back.  Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.  

He may be trying to , but the problem is lately he hasn’t been making them. That = Bills loss

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

The defense that gave up 20?  That degense

I hate the “they only gave up” argument.

 

Ok they let up 20 points.

 

three, 8 minute drives.

 

So of course that will limit the Jets scoring cause you’re content on letting them gash you with clock, but also you’re limiting the offences chances.

 

I would rather them play more aggressive and give up 24 points without those killer 7-8 minute drives against them

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It is a bold statement and I stand by it. The Bills look vulnerable on offense and defense. As a unit they played poorly vs the Packers and Jets. I think teams believe the  "mighty" Bills are beatable. I could feel that energy early in the Jets game. It grew stronger and stronger as the game continued. They Jets D wasn't afraid of Allen and their offense pounded the rock 7 straight times starting at their 4 yard line. This loss is quite concerning because it was a loss on all levels by so many individuals. That includes the coaches too. It's not time to panic. However, the level of concern has arrived. The AFC east division is a log jam. The Bills are 0-2 in the division. Don't think for a minute that the Dolphins or the Jets won't be confident entering the Bills stadium. Yes, I think the Bills are still the best team in the division. Clearly, they didn't play like it today. Teams now know how to attack the Bills on both sides of the ball. The Bills got clobbered on both sides of the lines. That's a recipe to lose games. Allen looks human and frankly pretty bad the last 2 games. Are the Bills issues lack of talent? Poor coaching schemes? Injuries? Allen's mechanics and vision is rookie like. 

Can’t argue with it too much right now. It’s a problem because Allen looking human makes the Bills average to even slightly below at times. 

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

It is a bold statement and I stand by it. The Bills look vulnerable on offense and defense. As a unit they played poorly vs the Packers and Jets. I think teams believe the  "mighty" Bills are beatable. I could feel that energy early in the Jets game. It grew stronger and stronger as the game continued. They Jets D wasn't afraid of Allen and their offense pounded the rock 7 straight times starting at their 4 yard line. This loss is quite concerning because it was a loss on all levels by so many individuals. That includes the coaches too. It's not time to panic. However, the level of concern has arrived. The AFC east division is a log jam. The Bills are 0-2 in the division. Don't think for a minute that the Dolphins or the Jets won't be confident entering the Bills stadium. Yes, I think the Bills are still the best team in the division. Clearly, they didn't play like it today. Teams now know how to attack the Bills on both sides of the ball. The Bills got clobbered on both sides of the lines. That's a recipe to lose games. Allen looks human and frankly pretty bad the last 2 games. Are the Bills issues lack of talent? Poor coaching schemes? Injuries? Allen's mechanics and vision is rookie like. 

Do you honestly think teams going into games thinking they can’t win? Of course every team is “beatable.” No team is going into a game saying “well, let’s just kill these next 3 hours.” These are professional athletes, this isn’t high school or college-I’m honestly not sure this game did much either way as to how teams view the Bills. They just may have a better idea of what to do to try and beat them 

[QLBillsFan]

Interception by Edmunds? Should we have challenged? At one point the Jets TE has arms extended on his back while 49 has the ball, then grabs for possession. May have been too hard to overturn? Just such a big play. 

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

He may be trying to , but the problem is lately he hasn’t been making them. That = Bills loss

It's the costly INTs that really hurt. He's thrown 4 in the last two games. All four were pretty bad too. Pretty much all on him. 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I hate the “they only gave up” argument.

 

Ok they let up 20 points.

 

three, 8 minute drives.

 

So of course that will limit the Jets scoring cause you’re content on letting them gash you with clock, but also you’re limiting the offences chances.

 

I would rather them play more aggressive and give up 24 points without those killer 7-8 minute drives against them

The offense’s chances? The defense got the ball back and we promptly returned it to the Jets.

[henry jones]

6 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

The defense that gave up 20?  That degense

Can’t expect to score 50 every game.  The defense played admirably against a good KC offense.  Then put up back to back stinkers against terrible offensive teams.  Josh sucked today, but it’s not all on him

[CoudyBills]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I hate the “they only gave up” argument.

 

Ok they let up 20 points.

 

three, 8 minute drives.

 

So of course that will limit the Jets scoring cause you’re content on letting them gash you with clock, but also you’re limiting the offences chances.

 

I would rather them play more aggressive and give up 24 points without those killer 7-8 minute drives against them

I hear you but the Bills have killed teams without winning the TOP.

[Bob in STL]

22 minutes ago, henry jones said:

And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back.  Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.  

 

Giving up 20 on the road should have given us a win.   You could argue that the defense gave up 13 points and 7 points are directly related to the second Allen interception.   The offense does not sustain one single drive after their first 3 possessions.   The offense refuses to run, and lately they have stopped throwing the much higher percentage short passes.  

 

Big plays happen when you can consistently make small plays, causing the opponents defense to cheat on what you are doing. 

 

The last two weeks Josh has checked down much less than he has in previous games.  They are throwing deep more, and they are not hitting the long ball enough to warrant that.  Take away his running game today and you have a guy with a 51.9 QBR.  

 

Final comment - if Josh is trying to make big plays, then he should target Diggs more.  Diggs was a forgotten man in the second half.  

Edited November 6, 2022 by Bob in STL

[CoudyBills]

Just now, henry jones said:

Can’t expect to score 50 every game.  The defense played admirably against a good KC offense.  Then put up back to back stinkers against terrible offensive teams.  Josh sucked today, but it’s not all on him

They gave up 20 to the chiefs