Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

We got Dean Marlow.

Yeah….I wrote this before it was announced 

[Billz4ever]

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-james-cook-likely-to-sit-third-on-depth-chart/

Edited November 1, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It just makes no sense to me long term…the dolphins spent pretty much all of their rebuild resources and then some to be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.  I would’ve taken my shot with the picks odds are they are probably getting a better player than Chubb with one of those.  
 

stats wise they are probably gonna have to roll with tua now but if they spent some of that cap space and signed Lamar they’d be insane also.  

 

This is where I am at. I really don't get it. And on top of that, I think they sort of forced their hand into a Bud Dupree sized extension. 

Chubb seemed prime for a 1-2 year prove it deal to get his head on straight, get back to form, and stay healthy. But now that the Dolphins already gave up a first for him, they'll have to extend him. The league/GM's likely had more leverage had his deal expired, this move gave all the leverage back to Chubb. 

[OldTimer1960]

Fringe player for fringe player.  Maybe a more reliable punt returner and kick returner.

[billsbackto81]

27 minutes ago, Einstein said:

LOVE. THIS. MOVE.

 

Hines is one of the most athletic players in the league and was severely underutilized in Indianapolis.

 

He can make guys miss in a phone booth (to quote Rex Ryan when talking about McCoy) and he can pass catch as good as any RB.

 

He is going to quickly become a fan favorite.

 

Great move Beane.

 

PS, grab him in your fantasy football league if he is available - Allen and Hines are going to shine together.

If Hines was available during FA Beane would have targeted him over McKissic. No doubt in my mind.

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

 

 

 

 

No, I'd say this is much worse.   Moss wasn't that bad in a log of situations and a fraction of the salary we're now gonna be paying Hines.  Nearly $5/yr in 2023 and 2024?  That's double what Singletary was getting at RB1.   I would have rather resigned Singletary next season but I think this all but sealed his fate.  🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

They owe him $0. This is a half season rental. Singletary was never going to be re-signed under any circumstance, and Hines won't be here under this contract either.

[mabden]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Somewhere upthread someone was raving about his speed.  Stats say otherwise...

 

300 career carries with a long of 34

235 career receptions with a long of 36

 

Colts do not have Josh Allen at QB.

[LeGOATski]

It's confusing for the Colts in that Jim Irsay just came out and said Frank Reich's job is safe, they're "re-energized" with the move to QB Ehlinger... And then they trade away one of his best weapons.

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The difference is this is a great D scheme for a LB to shine 

 

This is not a running offense for a RB to shine.

This is the perfect offense for Hines and Cook.  Buffalo isnt going to hand the ball off 30 plus times.  20 or so carries plus 4 to 6 catches.  The 3 to 4 yards can become 15 to 20.  Create some lanes in the run game and they can get down field in a hurry.  More speed more versatility.  

[BullBuchanan]

25 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

In this offense he is. Their not a downhill bruising offense and won’t be until Allen is gone which hopefully is never 

He's not in any offense. He can be a big playmaker for us, but he'll always be a committee back unless something drastically changes with his physique in the offseason.

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, Process said:

$5M per is an insane price to pay for Hines when you just drafted Cook

Agreed. The simple fact they had to trade for Hines after using a 2nd round pick on RB could also be labeled insane. McKissic really did a number on Beane.

 

Biggest takeaway here is that Singletary is now 101% gone after the season.

 

 

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Fans want McKenzie off the field because he’s an incredible spaz at times and makes way too many mental mistakes… not sure about you but I’m holding my breath every time he has the ball in his hands/is targeted.

 

 Yet is tied for 2nd on the team in tds. I get he does have some lapses, but there's more positive than negative.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

I took a look at the standings last night and thought.........Nyheim Hines should be a cheap target.

 

Always liked his explosiveness.   Had a big game against the Bills in the 2020 playoffs.  

[L Ron Burgundy]

9 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He wasn't even the #2 RB on the Colts anymore. He was replaced by Deon Jackson which has resulted in less carries for Hines and more for Jackson. Last year Hines was getting more carries, not Jackson. That's what I'm focused on. Deon who?

 

 

 

He's a receiving rb that played for a team that could no longer pass.  

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Nothing alike at all. Hines does actually play out of the slot, but unlike Beasley, he gets significant YAC and is extremely athletic and versatile.

Beasley at his best was a catch and go down guy.

I wasn’t speaking on physical attributes.  More of a mental tool for 17.  Knowing that he has a guy on third down that can get open.  Diggs is often double teamed on 3rd.    Isaiah’s size limitations and past miscues hurts his reliability on 3rd down.  Hines is a guy that can get open quick, is a seasoned playmaker and will likely be matched up with someone slower than him.  A guy Josh can lean on on 3rd down.  
 

 

[HappyDays]

Here's the Colts forum thread on the trade:

 

https://forums.colts.com/topic/74316-hines-traded-to-the-bills/

 

They universally hate the trade and think Hines will be a great player for us.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Hines is good and an upgrade over Cook as a pass catching back but is he going to supplant motor as the #1 back?  Singletary has been getting a lot of touches the past few games and has looked pretty good.  That said it improves the team a bit and the cost was almost nothing so sure, I'll take it.  Kamara would have been game changing but the cost would have been immense, and the saints probably wouldn't want to deal anyway.

Cook is averaging 5.5 ypc and 15 ypc on a handful of catches. 

 

So not sure how arrived at this conclusion. 

 

Cook was a 2nd Round pick, and outside of his fumble against the Rams, he looks like he belongs. 

 

In a vacuum, if you just made him the starter today, and gave him 14 carries like Singletary got against the Packers, I think he'd be fine. I think he'd average +4 ypc and look like an NFL player. 

 

I don't understand why the Bills are rolling Cook out so slowly. Congrats to them for figuring out Moss was useless, but Hines comes in and plays above Cook right away? Not sure the reasoning on this. 

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why can’t our backfield for next year be Hines, Cook and a mid/late round bruiser back?

 

We’re likely never going to draft or pay a Josh Jacobs/Nick Chubb type.  
 

Hines and a 2nd year Cook give us two guys with speed and pass catching ability.  As long as Cook can develop pass pro ability, what else do we need?  
 

Sign or Draft a mid/late round big back for short yardage and let’s go.  

 

This was my theory when I first heard of the trade rumor for Hines and after I gave it some thought.

The fact that Beane did this makes me think that from what they have seen so far with Cook is that he can be a RB1. 

Add a cheap RB3 short yardage guy who can play some ST and the running back room is set for next year.

 

As to the money, Hines has a contract now that is set-up for him to take a small pay cut in return for some guaranteed dollars.

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's not in any offense. He can be a big playmaker for us, but he'll always be a committee back unless something drastically changes with his physique in the offseason.

He can still be a lead back in a committee. That’s what Singletary was  with Moss at the beginning of the year  before they realized Moss stinks. 
 

will he ever be bellcow Taylor, Henry, Barkley no he won’t be but he can be the # 1 RB on this team based on the style we play 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think part of the issue is we have had issues with putting together a strong run blocking OL. So we are "meh" at RB,  the IOL situation makes it worse, but pass blocking has been OK. Then we enter this viscous cycle of "we gotta get a guy to give us production in the run game". 

I do think this move will actually increase the number of touches Singletary gets, which I am a fan of. RB's have to get into rhythm. 

The "take McKenzie off the field take" is grating me a little. We already think Shakir should be getting more snaps than he is getting. Cook was drafted in the 2nd partially because of his ability to line up wide. This isn't actually a void that needs filling. (That's what she said)

Kick returns and some sweeps/end-arounds - neither Cook nor Shakir do those things; Hines can do them well; McKenzie does everything poorly.

 

The two players I’ve been most worried about preventing us from winning a trophy this year:  Isiah McKenzie (his idiocy could cost them a playoff game) and Matthew Judon (he seems to try to injure 17).

[UKBillFan]

16 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

 

 

 

 

No, I'd say this is much worse.   Moss wasn't that bad in a log of situations and a fraction of the salary we're now gonna be paying Hines.  Nearly $5/yr in 2023 and 2024?  That's double what Singletary was getting at RB1.   I would have rather resigned Singletary next season but I think this all but sealed his fate.  🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

Apologies if someone has replied but there's no dead cap if we release him for next season. If he doesn't perform, we cut him. If he does, we probably re-draw his contract anyway.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

In a corresponding move, the Bills release Zack Moss. Now Hines gets to take his place on the inactives list on game day. 

If Hines plays some STs then Taiwan may be inactive. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Airseven said:

Agreed. The simple fact they had to trade for Hines after using a 2nd round pick on RB could also be labeled insane. McKissic really did a number on Beane.

 

Biggest takeaway here is that Singletary is now 101% gone after the season.

 

 

 

 

They only gave up a 6th rounder and a dude people here would've given away for a song.  It cost us next to nothing to bring him here and given our offensive playstyle, fits right in.

[Mango]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Fans want McKenzie off the field because he’s an incredible spaz at times and makes way too many mental mistakes… not sure about you but I’m holding my breath every time he has the ball in his hands/is targeted.

 

Right, I understand why people want McKenzie off the field. I am not arguing that he shouldn't.

I was saying that the problem isn't that we needed an upgrade behind McKenzie. Shakir and Cook are already on the roster and not taking any meaningful snaps away from McKenzie. Hell, we just gave our TE a $15M AAV extension. For reference, in 2020 Travis Kelce was targeted, as in the ball was thrown to him, 110 times when lined up in the slot. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, L Ron Burgundy said:

He's a receiving rb that played for a team that could no longer pass.  

 

 Their QB was 4th in yards when benched and is still 6th in the league. The team is 9th in passing yards per game. Something don't smell right!! Hmm. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/desc

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Yet another receiving threat for Josh Allen to utilize, this is actually a very underrated pickup that I like him a bit better than the Washington RB we were going to pickup in FA. 25 receptions already this season but I'm really going to miss the 2 run plays up the middle from Zack Moss, how about you guys?

[NewEra]

@Solomon Grundy. @IronMaidenBills

thoughts?  He’s a potential home run hitter.  Not the 3rd superstar you were hoping for, but a nice weapon that has the speed to make defenses pay.  Speed….. happy? 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I took a look at the standings last night and thought.........Nyheim Hines should be a cheap target.

 

Always liked his explosiveness.   Had a big game against the Bills in the 2020 playoffs.  

 

That was the game against Buffalo I was looking for and couldn't find.  It was the playoffs.

Thank you.  It was driving me a little crazy.

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

This is the perfect offense for Hines and Cook.  Buffalo isnt going to hand the ball off 30 plus times.  20 or so carries plus 4 to 6 catches.  The 3 to 4 yards can become 15 to 20.  Create some lanes in the run game and they can get down field in a hurry.  More speed more versatility.  

Yeah, their skill set is more in line with what Dorsey wants to do. The Bills need to be able to spread the field horizontally considering how teams want to defend them. He's good enough between the tackles too. Will be interesting to see what the RB snap counts turn into.

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Yet is tied for 2nd on the team in tds. I get he does have some lapses, but there's more positive than negative.

 

 

If it were hockey he'd be a high event player. Whether he's an offensive high event player whose scoring offsets his liabilities or a high event defensive liability whose mistakes outweigh his offensive contribution is up for some debate.

[TPS]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Here's the Colts forum thread on the trade:

 

https://forums.colts.com/topic/74316-hines-traded-to-the-bills/

 

They universally hate the trade and think Hines will be a great player for us.

Did you send them a sample of some of the negativity here?  😎

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

LOL picking a number where that's true - #6 back by attempts Dameon Pierce 4th round

 

The top backs in the league are so because they play on run-first teams where they get 20-23 carries per game vs. the 10 or 12 Singletary gets.

wow! you found one. Good job.

In the top 15 backs there are only 3 drafted after the 2nd round and none after the 4th.

Good players get drafted high for the most part. Tune in for more breaking news at 11.

[TPS]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Their QB was 4th in yards when benched and is still 6th in the league. The team is 9th in passing yards per game. Something don't smell right!! Hmm. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/desc

 

 

 

Maybe that's why they fired the OC too...

[Nitro]

Hines is no running  threat.  Pass catcher out of the back field.  Colts fans liked him.  Moss fits their scheme.  

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Hines is a versatile player.  A very good receiver and runner.  He has excellent speed.  He can return punts and kicks.  He is an experienced version of James Cooks and can do many of the things that McKenzie does.  This is a depth move.  Hines is also a great character/team guy.  He will fit the culture very well.  He should be really excited to go from a losing team to a Super Bowl favorite.  The best part is the reasonable price that Beane paid.

[Protocal69]

38 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Not sure if this has been posted here. I always like to see how the other team feels about the trade. Colts fans seem pissed which is good

 

https://forums.colts.com/topic/74316-hines-traded-to-the-bills/

I agree I do the same. In comparison look at how most Broncos feel about losing Chubb lol.. 

https://forums.denverbroncos.com/forum/broncos-football/broncos-football-aa/8436308-chubb-traded-to-miami

Edited November 1, 2022 by Protocal69

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, TPS said:

Did you send them a sample of some of the negativity here?  😎

LMAO

[Scott7975]

I cant wait until next Bills GDT where people freak out about his lack of use or a mistake 5 days after being traded.

[bmur66]

I guess they would rather have Hines warming the bench more than Moss. I don’t think this trade moves the needle much.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, TPS said:

Maybe that's why they fired the OC too...

 

 All I know is they could move the ball passing, Ryan averaged 286 yards per game. Just threw a lot of picks and took a bunch of sacks.