BullBuchanan Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Process said: His contract is what really makes me question this trade. At the end of the day we gave up basically nothing so whatever. Just don't get the move at all. So Cook is the lead back next year, can he actually handle that role? Or are we going to have a 2nd round backup RB, $5M pass catching RB, and need to spend ANOTHER draft pick on a RB to be the lead guy? Hines is a rental - there's a $0 out on his contract after this year. Look for us to sign a FA or draft a replacement for Singletary. I wouldn't be shocked if they pursued Jacobs in the offseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Ta111 said: I don’t know why people don’t do a little research. Hines is a very good receiver but also a dynamic punt/kickoff returner. He fills several roles with the Bills. Cool. I didn't know this. It would be nice if we didn't have to use McKenzie/Shakir in these roles, or if we could at least limit their ST plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Process said: $5M per is an insane price to pay for Hines when you just drafted Cook Wait till you see what Singletary wants in free agency 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 It's literally the perfect move without giving up much and adding a need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: 2nd time you continue on with the 2 yards a carry nonsense. His workload this year is not representative of his ceiling. Just stop. Well why isn't he getting a chance like other years and don't say Taylor. This is Taylor's 3rd year now. Seems to me he went from #2 RB to #3 RB this year is the answer. Him and Deon Jackson swapped spots this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Beane's. to do list. ✔️ Backup for Cook. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: No. They traded a day 3 pick plus a RB picked with a 3rd round pick(who never worked out). So they traded a 3rd and a 5th for Hines, and then may let Singletary go in the off-season to FA...another 3rd round pick. As for the bolded, no one knows what calls were made, or what the asking price were. You only know that none were traded. I think Singletary is a great fit ib the Bills offense. Unless they clearly get someone better I don't see him going anywhere. Hines isn't an upgrade to Motor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) Seems a bit odd to me, but we'll see. Dorsey should be able to do some really creative things with him in the backfield. Both he and Cook should be able to function like wide receivers. Line both of them up in the backfield, then start moving them around. I could see defensive coordinators scratching their heads. Moss was doing nothing for the Bills. On the flip side, the Bills went from having very little power running capability to having none outside their fullback, and they haven't trusted Gilliam much as a ball carrier to this point. Edited November 2, 2022 by BigAl2526 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: McK has fumbled a kickoff without being touched. Lots of things happen when he touches the ball. Some of them are good. Some of them are not. They are always of high interest. This is not what I want in my return people. I will sacrifice significant upside to know for certain this offense is getting the ball back. In previous years we needed to steal a TD here and there in returns. This is not that year. Catch the ball, run forward rather than sideways, zero turnovers. That is my goal and if I'm honest zero turnovers comes before running forward. Fair catch everything IDGAF. Yes. I was getting pissed at McKenzie running the ball out of the end zone against the Packers this weekend. Just take the touchback! We don't need the variance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Rest in Peace: “Moss with a gain of maybe a yard.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Hines is a rental - there's a $0 out on his contract after this year. Look for us to sign a FA or draft a replacement for Singletary. I wouldn't be shocked if they pursued Jacobs in the offseason. Agree I don't think it is written in stone that Hines will be with the team in 2023. He is an improvement over Moss but that does not mean he is guarenteed a roster spot next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I really like this snag at the price of free. If we could trade a 6th round pick for Nyheim Hines every year I'd absolutely do that. Just now, newcam2012 said: I think Singletary is a great fit ib the Bills offense. Unless they clearly get someone better I don't see him going anywhere. Hines isn't an upgrade to Motor. Singletary is 100% gone in 4 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) I really don't see this trade as improving the running game. He'll be no help whatsoever with the short yardage difficulties. Singletary is much better than he is, and we haven't seen enough of Cook to know whether he could do what Hines does. I'm with those who think Moss is going to show much better than Hines for the rest of their careers. As others have said, this leaves the Bills with zero power running option (not that Moss was tearing it up in that area). Edited November 1, 2022 by Dr. K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 At least they didn't lose a bunch of fans by doing nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: No. They traded a day 3 pick plus a RB picked with a 3rd round pick(who never worked out). So they traded a 3rd and a 5th for Hines, and then may let Singletary go in the off-season to FA...another 3rd round pick. As for the bolded, no one knows what calls were made, or what the asking price were. You only know that none were traded. If this is how you view this trade, god bless you for being alive this long @DC Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 This is from this past week's game: https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-ehlinger-rainbows-one-into-hines-bucket-for-21-yard-gain 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, H2o said: Zero in dead cap the next two years if we move on. If he works out, I would imagine they add another year to the deal and a little bit of gtd $$$ to lower the cap figure. That’s exactly the plan I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: I really like this snag at the price of free. If we could trade a 6th round pick for Nyheim Hines every year I'd absolutely do that. Heck yes given that where we are in the world now the league will be handing us back at least a 6th every year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) I think people are wrong on this who aren’t excited about this pickup. This is a sneaky great signing. Moss wasn’t doing anything for us. We gave up almost nothing but landed a faster McCaffery-type who is a speed demon and durable back who can catch, return kicks and the like. He and Cook sharing backfield duties will be unstoppable in the open field. Minor cap hit but we probably won’t resign motor so it will be a wash. Only reason people don’t think it’s amazing is because he’s been hidden behind Johnathan Taylor last few years. His potential in our offense is fantastic. It’s really just a swap for Moss and a late round pick. Edited November 1, 2022 by Aurelius 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 This allows us to finally move on from J.D. McKissic 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, Dr. K said: I really don't see this trade as improving the running game. He'll be no help whatsoever with the short yardage difficulties. Singletary is much better than he is, and we haven't seen enough of Cook to know whether he could do what Hines does. Its not exactly a vote of confidence for how they think Cook is developing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Well why isn't he getting a chance like other years and don't say Taylor. This is Taylor's 3rd year now. Seems to me he went from #2 RB to #3 RB this year is the answer. Him and Deon Jackson swapped spots this year. Ok so Jonathan Taylor and Deon Jackson are better than Hines. Why is this an issue? It also ignores that the 2 yards a carry is a skewed average which was all I was pointing out because you keep repeating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: You are way too focused on this year's stats. Indys offense has fallen off a cliff. This is an absolute steal. He wasn't even the #2 RB on the Colts anymore. He was replaced by Deon Jackson which has resulted in less carries for Hines and more for Jackson. Last year Hines was getting more carries, not Jackson. That's what I'm focused on. Deon who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He's pretty good at catching too. Saw a tweet, 5th most RB receiving yards since he joined the league in 2018. Bad QBs, amazing RBs ahead of him. I’ve always liked this player and thought he’s been underutilized. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Do you think when they were trading for Hines, they meant me?? PUT ME IN COACH! Or better yet, don't just give me a $5M payday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Process said: His contract is what really makes me question this trade. At the end of the day we gave up basically nothing so whatever. Just don't get the move at all. So Cook is the lead back next year, can he actually handle that role? Or are we going to have a 2nd round backup RB, $5M pass catching RB, and need to spend ANOTHER draft pick on a RB to be the lead guy? It might be a short term move for this season. Bills give up a 6th and pay a very little bit more salary this season to get an upgrade at receiving RB, which was a need. And it’s not like Moss isn’t easily replaceable. I doubt he was in the Bills long term plans anyway. The Bills were going to have to pony up big in terms of contract and/or picks to get a RB who could be our #1 going forward. We didn’t so nothing has changed on that front. We didn’t know who it was going to be before the trade and we don’t know who it will be now. Edited November 1, 2022 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ta111 said: I don’t know why people don’t do a little research. Hines is a very good receiver but also a dynamic punt/kickoff returner. He fills several roles with the Bills. I don't disagree with this but let's not make it like Hines is a difference maker. It's an upgrade but Hines is just a role player who may get 5 to 7 touches a game. Settle down with your do your research crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, What a Tuel said: Ok so Jonathan Taylor and Deon Jackson are better than Hines. Why is this an issue? It also ignores that the 2 yards a carry is a skewed average which was all I was pointing out because you keep repeating it. By saying it once in 2 separate posts? OK, you must be the post police or something. Still not a trade to get excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, appoo said: I uh...don't love it... probably cuz…..uh……you don’t have a clue who he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, DaggersEOD said: Saw a tweet, 5th most RB receiving yards since he joined the league in 2018. Bad QBs, amazing RBs ahead of him. I’ve always liked this player and thought he’s been underutilized. Trying to separate from fantasy but I always liked him from 2020 when I was able to plug and play him and he would usually reward me with several catches and a td. That was with Rivers. Maybe he can do it with a better QB here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I really like this snag at the price of free. If we could trade a 6th round pick for Nyheim Hines every year I'd absolutely do that. Singletary is 100% gone in 4 months. Perhaps but he won't be replaced by Hines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: I never heard of Hines & didn't know what to think of this. But if Pat says it's a good trade then I'm good with it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: This is from this past week's game: https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-ehlinger-rainbows-one-into-hines-bucket-for-21-yard-gain What do we need that for? 😂 Watching Singletary try to catch that would be high comedy. He has hands like a seal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 This is a great trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: This is from this past week's game: https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-ehlinger-rainbows-one-into-hines-bucket-for-21-yard-gain Little better throw and he's got a TD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: What do we need that for? 😂 Watching Singletary try to catch that would be high comedy. He has hands like a seal. Moss would be better suited trying to catch that with his feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, inaugural balls said: probably cuz…..uh……you don’t have a clue who he is. I do, and he's a good player. But doesn't really change the outlook for this season, while he'll be the primary 3rd down back going forward. All it really means is the Bills are all in on Cook starting next year. I don't mind the trade, but I don't love it - literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mattymafia said: Apparently the bills traded for Dean Marlowe too. I'm good with that, picking up another safety who already knows our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: By saying it once in 2 separate posts? OK, you must be the post police or something. Still not a trade to get excited about. I'm pretty sure I told you it was skewed once and then you went and told it a 2nd time so I grabbed the stats for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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