BillyBilliams Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, BananaB said: CMC is at least healthy right now. We don't need either right now. We need either or for Jan/Feb. So I'm ok with OBJ not being ready right now, as long as he's ready for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Shakir/Cook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifefan1 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I agree that both players can be dynamic additions in their own ways. But if OBJ comes in, which WR leaves the field? I don't thing we'd want Diggs on the bench. Would we really want Davis sitting? Plus, if we get Singletary playing like he did at the end of last season, would we want McCaffery in there instead? So much of this team's success is based on their chemistry/trust in each other. Is that worth possibly disrupting to make a Super Bowl run, that many already think we are on? A fun topic to kick around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I've wondered for a bit if CMC transitions from a RB, which is no longer a valued position, to receiver. Deebo has done well in this regard, receivers are getting paid, very few RB's are. Franchise tag is 18MM+ for WR, 9MM+ for RB's. He does have to show that he's not made of glass tho. I'm old enough to remember Bobby Mitchell doing just that when he was traded from the Cleveland to Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty shackleford Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 If the Bills really wanted them, they are not necessarily mutually exclusive. OBJ as a FA at near vet minimum, only downside is who gets bumped off the roster. If Crowder out for season then it would just bump Hodgins; okay. If they could package Moss and a reasonable draft pick for CMC that would be a risk worth taking. Biggest hurdle would be restructures to manage the cap and be okay with somebody they probably won’t be able to resign. Could you imagine a starting line up in the playoffs with Davis and OBJ out wide, Diggs in the slot, CMC out of the backfield, rounded off by Knox. How do you game plan for that. Especially with Allen’s ability to run while trying to pass protect against all those weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: We don't need either right now. We need either or for Jan/Feb. So I'm ok with OBJ not being ready right now, as long as he's ready for the playoffs. You want a WRs who’s never played with us to be ready for playoffs and then throw him on the field. Makes sense to me. One miscommunication can really put our season in jeopardy, might as well be at the most crucial time. 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Running backs rank just above punter. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 This was a great question and a tough one. I would go with Mccaffrey. I would worry that bringing in OBJ would throw off passing chemistry because of force feeding...I don't think we have anyone in the backfield who is trustworthy outside of singletary. I think Mccafrey boosts our run game and making our passing game that much more dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 It's OBJ. The team literally just proved that they can run. With that extra weapon, given how Diggs has been used this year, it makes total sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, BearNorth said: I've wondered for a bit if CMC transitions from a RB, which is no longer a valued position, to receiver. Deebo has done well in this regard, receivers are getting paid, very few RB's are. Franchise tag is 18MM+ for WR, 9MM+ for RB's. He does have to show that he's not made of glass tho. I'm old enough to remember Bobby Mitchell doing just that when he was traded from the Cleveland to Washington. Deebo was never a RB… he was a WR who they would hand the ball off too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I don't really like rentals. I would prefer CMC but for longer than just the remainder of the year- for this year and at least next year. It would cover the gap we have now for next years RB. If a WR got hurt, then I could see a need for a move. Otherwise I would rather see G Davis as our #2 and Shakir in the slot as our Superbowl winners. And that squad would have a lot of components coming back the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I’m going CMC I think he can improve the RBs and help out with the passing game more out of backfield / slot game. obj would def help and add another threat but I think we already have a better passing attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, without a drought said: Running backs rank just above punter. I guess it came in handy to have that punter guy a couple times. I prefer to think of him as “the holder guy”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: You should NEVER say no to make your team plush with elite talent. The more elite talent you have, the better chance you have at being a super bowl champion. One guy that is still injured + another guy that is almost always injured? Elite on paper is worse than worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern bills Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I am going to say y’all really read the question differently than I did. I took it as which would make the team better assuming the cost is low. In this I would be team CMC. In a what it will likely really cost to get him there is no chance I want the Bills to pay that and would become a neither vote. Without knowing what OBJ is truly going to be OK with as far as his role with a team, it is a fair concern that he could be a negative influence without throwing any kind of attitude on the sideline. Just trying to force passes to him would change the makeup. He could of course be willing and ok with a 3/4 role and a low cost contract in which case it would be a stupid easy call to sign him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 OBJ all day long; we don't need him, we want him. He's the knockout blow that puts us over the top for the playoff run. Let defenses try to shut down Diggs; we have OBJ. Let them try to shut down OBJ, we have Diggs. I can't imagine how productive we would be with 2 superstar No. 1 receivers and Josh. McCaffery? It's not the 1980s anymore. No thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 OBJ for me. We are a pass oriented offense. If Gabe’s ankles give out again, our offense becomes much more limited. I don’t want to trust our post season run to his ankles. I want WR insurance to keep our offense moving. We will always need two good receivers to keep this offense humming. If Singletary goes down, finding RB help is much easier since we are not as dependent on them within our offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BananaB said: You want a WRs who’s never played with us to be ready for playoffs and then throw him on the field. Makes sense to me. One miscommunication can really put our season in jeopardy, might as well be at the most crucial time. 🙄 Very good point. Our offense has alot of option routes for the receivers. It is quite complex and may be difficult to learn for a mid-season acquisition. In addition to Josh learning timing with a new receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 As much as this team passes, OBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Guys...come on, do you know how long it's going to take me to make 75 separate house visits...😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BillyBilliams said: You should NEVER say no to make your team plush with elite talent. The more elite talent you have, the better chance you have at being a super bowl champion. We have elite talent and if it means giving up high draft picks to get more, we don't want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 All things being equal, CMC. Yes this is a pass-happy offense. He's a pass-catching RB. Up until this week, Singletary had the 2nd most catches on the team. He might still; I haven't checked the numbers. CMC is perfect for this offense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 After watching McKenzie against the chiefs I immediately thought OBJ would be great with DIggs and Davis come playoff time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: All things being equal, CMC. Yes this is a pass-happy offense. He's a pass-catching RB. Up until this week, Singletary had the 2nd most catches on the team. He might still; I haven't checked the numbers. CMC is perfect for this offense. I can get both sides of those wanting him and those who prefer passing. Just curious, seems like you would prefer getting him...so my question is how high of a pick would you be comfortable giving up for him? Are you confident enough in his availability that he will stay healthy enough to get to and through playoffs? What would be your best offer you would give for him with that in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 my first thought is, neither. if we have to sign OBJ to keep him away from the Chefs then i guess make a run at him. personally i think the Chefs cleared room to sign a pass rusher. when it comes to CMC, hes expensive, and injured, alot. Devin is doing just fine. this offense runs through Josh, not the RB position. i dont think our run blocking gets better if we grab CMC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I voted neither. Last I looked we had the best offense in the league. i'm also against trading draft picks that are low paid. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Obj purely for insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 OBJ to the slot CMC/Motor the RBs Unstoppable 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) McCaffrey and it’s not even close. He’d be an animal on this team. Edited October 20, 2022 by Jay_Fixit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 If it involves giving up draft picks neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 CMC. We need an actual threat out of the backfield other than Josh. Teams don’t game plan or worry about Motor. They would with CMC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Not giving up 1st round picks for McCaffrey who's never healthy. & Carolina wants a 1st. OBJ, don't have to give up any draft picks & I really really really don't want KC to get him. Win, win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 hours ago, InTheBuffAllTheTime said: I took this question as truly hypothetical - which player would I rather have without regard to cap/picks/salary/etc..... I'd take CMC. We have great receivers and great depth. No guarantees with OBJ health, no time to learn nuances of offense, and possibly he can't even catch Allen's fastballs. CMC offers something Bills don't have - more offensive creativity A "true hypothetical" would presume both OBJ AND CMC's health(they are both coming off 2 straight seasons ended by injury), learning the "nuances of offense" and........whether either could catch Allen's fastballs. (LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 OBJ. An injury to Diggs and/or Davis is more of a back breaker than an injury to Singletary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 CMC and it's not even close for me. Adding another WR doesn't do anything but continue to make us 1 dimensional. CMC is a serious threat as a runner or receiver who would consistently create mismatches all over the field. We need a real threat in the RB spot, one teams have to respect and account for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: McCaffrey and it’s not even close. He’d be an animal on this team. Baffles me that people argue obj. Granted if the trade price is too high for cmc than hell no. But to argue that obj would have a larger impact on the team than cmc? Absolute lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 ideally both on veteran minimums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Not giving up 1st round picks for McCaffrey who's never healthy. & Carolina wants a 1st. OBJ, don't have to give up any draft picks & I really really really don't want KC to get him. Win, win. What a strange thought process. OBJ tore his ACL in October 2020. 16 months later tore his ACL again. But the never healthy guy is CMC? CMC has had some recent injuries but they’re all easy to come back from. OBJ will have to impact right away after ACL. Edited October 20, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said: I can get both sides of those wanting him and those who prefer passing. Just curious, seems like you would prefer getting him...so my question is how high of a pick would you be comfortable giving up for him? Are you confident enough in his availability that he will stay healthy enough to get to and through playoffs? What would be your best offer you would give for him with that in mind? I don't want the Bills to trade any early picks for him or pay a big contract. Just player-to-player, I'd rather have him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 CMC is more of the “need” position. Cook is developing and Moss stinks. Motor is a good football player. With that being said, I voted OBJ. I know that he can play in big games. He can play any WR position. He makes the Bills even more dangerous and is playing for a contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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