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1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I worked with Charlie Ferguson for a number of years.  He is a great guy.  He was an effective manager and his employees really liked him.

I worked there also, but far from Charlie.  But, he and I crossed paths a few times at the golf dome (we had the same coach/Jim Horn) and we talked about our (retiree) company business.  Always a great guy, in a wheel chair the last time I saw him from afar at a Bills game.

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Keith McKeller and Nate Odomes at the Thurman Thomas show, must have been 1991?   Stood in line with my Dad for an autograph, got the autograph but they left me hanging for a hand shake because they were too busy talking to the blondes behind me.  I was 8.  

 

Marcvus Patton spoke at a men's breakfast for the local group of churches in WNY around 1994.   He signed after the breakfast and seemed pretty open with conversation and time. 

 

Marv Levy had a book signing when I worked at Walden Books in the Eastern Hills mall around 2004.   We ushered him through the back door and I couldnt get over how tan he was.  I thought he looked exactly like Mike Wallace from 60 minutes.   Literally the most genuine and kind person I've ever met from the Bills organization.  His wife had to encourage him to move the line along because he was spending so much time with every fan.  

 

Tom Donahoe walked into the same bookstore right before closing around Christmas 2005.   Dude looked completely defeated and had the jowls of Droopy the Dog.  I told him I was a big fan of the team, he said thank you but wasnt looking for a conversation.    A month or so later he was fired.  Hope he enjoyed the books.

 

Jim Kelly- My oldest son usually goes to Kelly camp.  Jim and his family are always walking around.   One day when I was walking around waiting for the kid to get done Jim came by in a golf cart and stopped to talk for a second with a big "Hey Buddy!"    Doesnt know me from Adam, but stopped to ask how my kid was liking the camp.   Seemed like a nice enough guy, but you can tell he has a bit of the old school "dude" in him.     That said, guy has been through hell and come out on top.

 

Not a player, but at Kelly Camp a few years ago one of the other Dad's and I had kid's in the same drills daily so we would just end up talking at length almost everyday.  Talked a lot about Brady and the Patriots (when he was still there) and how hard it is to find a good QB, this is the summer of Josh Allen's rookie year.   Anyways, during the week he asked me what I did for a living and I told him.  Then I asked him, and he said he works here, the kids were at the fieldhouse at the time.  I had been talking to the Bills Director of Football Operations the entire week without knowing it.   Seems like a really cool guy got along famously.

 

 

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When Takeo Spikes was on mad sports on bet he went to kfc/taco bell for food. I was one of the guys there it was all set up ahead of time. But he took time out after the cameras were turned off to hang with all of us a half hour 45 minutes after about how the season was going and everything. Me and my buddy had season tix and really were disappointed in the season. He told me to tell my buddy to come to that week's game it was against Washington. My buddy was so excited. And we blew the Reds out that week.

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I was a sophomore WR at Lake Howell High School in FL and Kawika Mitchell was a senior LB on our team. In our Blue and Silver Spring scrimmage I ran an end around from the 15 yard line and was coasting into the endzone. Everything went dark at the 2 yard line. He knocked me out cold with a shot to the ear hole and I flew 8 yards out of bounds. 
 

We ran track together too, awesome guy, always appreciate being able to say a Buffalo Bill knocked me out. 

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I had Thurman Thomas come up to me in Jamaica about 12 years ago. I had a Bills' shirt on and he said "Go Bills!". The way he had his hat and was dressed I didn't recognize him until I heard the voice. Then I was confused (all this being sober). It was cool and super surprising.

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Grew up out in Chautauqua County so I got to go to a bunch of camps in the early 90s. I've got signed cards, hats, footballs, etc. In fact I just found my signed Jim Kelly cards. Think I'm gonna send them off to be graded and authenticated. 

 

Favorite memory was probably when I was ten and Jim came zipping thru on a golf cart. He saw me and a buncha other kids so he stopped to sign autos. He signed my dogeared Pro Set card but when I turned to leave there was a crowd. So I just kinda quietly sat there on the cart next to him while he signed autographs for about ten minutes. 

 

Met Marshawn Lynch in Hamburg Walmart the week Jauron was fired in November 2009. I asked if he thought firing him was a good move and he just be said, "Above my pay grade, man, but hopefully for the best. Y'all should be Raiders fans!" I worked in a group home at the time and had a resident with me that was a huge fan. Marshawn grabbed a pen and piece of receipt tape from the cashier and signed an auto for the guy. And that dude talked about it endlessly. Haven't worked there in over a decade but I bet if I ran into the guy tomorrow he'd say, hey remember that time we met Marshawn Lynch?!

 

Got to chill in the VIP tent for camp in 2015. Had a mini helmet signed by the Cold Front guys, Kyle, Jerry, Mario, and Marcell. Kyle seems like a great dude. Someone asked what he thought about Rex's defense and while he gave a diplomatic answer the look on his face said he likely wasn't thrilled to be switching systems. Mario was quiet but nice. Marcell was a goofball, truly just a big unguided kid. And Jerry just seemed to have a really chill/cool vibe to him. Like other players on the team seemed to gravitate towards him because he has this big fun personality. Also met EJ that year and holy guacamole that dude is huge. Lynch was also remarkably bigger in person. Don't know how he fits thru a standard sized door without his monstrous shoulders smashing thru the frame. 

 

My cousin did PR with the team right out of college. His job was to be on site for rookie appearances and events that the rookies are typically contracted to do. He actually became pretty chummy with Eric Wood and hung out to grab beers with him a few times. Said he's a good dude and just absolutely loves football. 

 

All of this pales in comparison to the one time about three years ago I saw Siran Neal in Walmart. We were buying the same shampoo. We shared the silent "sup" head nod greeting. And I silently swore that I wouldn't tell anyone that Siran was having some dandruff issues. ....whoops

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I hate Hero Worship

   I always feel bad for anyone who is famous ( who didn’t do it for fame) and is constantly bothered by people.

  The 90’s Bills used to come to a bar on Union rd that I played at, in a band, before home games. Bruce, Thurman, Davis, Talley and others. Al, not the owner, used to cordon off the end of the bar and take care of them. I LOVED them then and now. I could have gone and met them. I didn’t.  They were there chilling and didn’t need one more arse kisser bothering them.

   Dr. R was a healthcare professional who was attached to the team then. I saw him on a monthly basis. Sometimes Bills would show up in the waiting room. Again, five feet from them, I left them alone. 

  I didn’t read any of this thread but I bet there are multiple stories of players not being nice/cool/etc. Bug me when I’m not in the mood and I can be a dick. I’m sure most on here are the same. If a Bills player was a douche to you in the past, chances are you deserved it😘

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25 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Keith McKeller and Nate Odomes at the Thurman Thomas show, must have been 1991?   Stood in line with my Dad for an autograph, got the autograph but they left me hanging for a hand shake because they were too busy talking to the blondes behind me.  I was 8.  

 

Marcvus Patton spoke at a men's breakfast for the local group of churches in WNY around 1994.   He signed after the breakfast and seemed pretty open with conversation and time. 

 

Marv Levy had a book signing when I worked at Walden Books in the Eastern Hills mall around 2004.   We ushered him through the back door and I couldnt get over how tan he was.  I thought he looked exactly like Mike Wallace from 60 minutes.   Literally the most genuine and kind person I've ever met from the Bills organization.  His wife had to encourage him to move the line along because he was spending so much time with every fan.  

 

Tom Donahoe walked into the same bookstore right before closing around Christmas 2005.   Dude looked completely defeated and had the jowls of Droopy the Dog.  I told him I was a big fan of the team, he said thank you but wasnt looking for a conversation.    A month or so later he was fired.  Hope he enjoyed the books.

 

Jim Kelly- My oldest son usually goes to Kelly camp.  Jim and his family are always walking around.   One day when I was walking around waiting for the kid to get done Jim came by in a golf cart and stopped to talk for a second with a big "Hey Buddy!"    Doesnt know me from Adam, but stopped to ask how my kid was liking the camp.   Seemed like a nice enough guy, but you can tell he has a bit of the old school "dude" in him.     That said, guy has been through hell and come out on top.

 

Not a player, but at Kelly Camp a few years ago one of the other Dad's and I had kid's in the same drills daily so we would just end up talking at length almost everyday.  Talked a lot about Brady and the Patriots (when he was still there) and how hard it is to find a good QB, this is the summer of Josh Allen's rookie year.   Anyways, during the week he asked me what I did for a living and I told him.  Then I asked him, and he said he works here, the kids were at the fieldhouse at the time.  I had been talking to the Bills Director of Football Operations the entire week without knowing it.   Seems like a really cool guy got along famously.

 

 

 

Oh that's right! Kelly's camp went from being like a 5 day camp where you stayed the whole time like how it was when I went to just a day camp at some point right?

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Years and years ago I spent a night drinking w/ Matt Kofler - he was married at the time to a girl I went to HS with.  I remember trying to be cool and not ask too many Bills questions - but it's also not like there were a lot of "glory days" stories to tell from his era .. He seemed a nice guy (RIP)

 

I've told this story before:  Years ago I went to Jimmy V charity golf tournament which was right next to where I lived, and James Lofton was in one of the groups.  Things were winding down, and as I was headed out I saw Lofton on a tee.  For some reason I got the great idea I was going to run home and get a camera (oh the days before cell phones) and get a picture with him.  On the way I soon realized the distance was longer than I estimated, and I was not quite in the shape I thought I was.  Not to mention it was Miami-Dolphin-visiting-sideline-hot that day. By the time I got back I was dying - could hardly breathe and sweating profusely.  I stumbled toward Lofton and will never forget the look on his face when he saw this heaving, crazy-looking person drenched in sweat approaching.  Barely able to breathe I blurted out "JamesisawyoucatchalotofballsatrichstadiumthoseweregreatdaysGoBiils!canigetapicture" and he accomodated me as one might accomodate an insane person while fearing for their life.  He showed a lot of poise in that situation 😛 

 

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31 minutes ago, transient said:

 

I used to run into Sabres players all the time in my 20's during my bar hopping days. I ran into Jason Dawe and talked to him so many times that he'd say hi to me if he saw me first. The craziest was running into Danny Gare at either Mother's or Fat Bob's one cold winter post-game evening. He was drunk and telling stories to me and my roommate of his time with the Oilers and how he told off Glen Sather. I can still hear him in my head saying "F*** you, Glenn!" as he recounted the story. He then signed a bar napkin and gave it to my roommate for an autograph unrequested. It was a bit surreal.


I think I’ve told this story in a similar thread here before but I also ran into Danny here in Cbus at the bar after a Sabres / Jackets game. He commented on my jersey and I thanked him and called him by name and that was all it took. I think he was happy to be recognized as he had been doing some work for CBJ for a couple years and I doubt any locals could pick him out. 
 

Super nice guy. We shot the bull for quite a while. It’s a bit fuzzy as I had quite a few pops in me but at one point he introduced me to his daughter 😳. Also unprompted, he somehow came up with a sharpie and signed the front crest of my jersey on the Buffalo. Which would have been awesome, but it was a LaFontaine jersey 😐😂…. “Surreal” is a good way to put the whole situation. 

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I hate Hero Worship

   I always feel bad for anyone who is famous ( who didn’t do it for fame) and is constantly bothered by people.

  The 90’s Bills used to come to a bar on Union rd that I played at, in a band, before home games. Bruce, Thurman, Davis, Talley and others. Al, not the owner, used to cordon off the end of the bar and take care of them. I LOVED them then and now. I could have gone and met them. I didn’t.  They were there chilling and didn’t need one more arse kisser bothering them.

   Dr. R was a healthcare professional who was attached to the team then. I saw him on a monthly basis. Sometimes Bills would show up in the waiting room. Again, five feet from them, I left them alone. 

  I didn’t read any of this thread but I bet there are multiple stories of players not being nice/cool/etc. Bug me when I’m not in the mood and I can be a dick. I’m sure most on here are the same. If a Bills player was a douche to you in the past, chances are you deserved it😘

 

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13 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:


I think I’ve told this story in a similar thread here before but I also ran into Danny here in Cbus at the bar after a Sabres / Jackets game. He commented on my jersey and I thanked him and called him by name and that was all it took. I think he was happy to be recognized as he had been doing some work for CBJ for a couple years and I doubt any locals could pick him out. 
 

Super nice guy. We shot the bull for quite a while. It’s a bit fuzzy as I had quite a few pops in me but at one point he introduced me to his daughter 😳. Also unprompted, he somehow came up with a sharpie and signed the front crest of my jersey on the Buffalo. Which would have been awesome, but it was a LaFontaine jersey 😐😂…. “Surreal” is a good way to put the whole situation. 

 

Haha, CBus! Lived off of Schrock Rd and Westerville Rd for about 6 years...cool city. Miss the Easton Mall, definitely nothing like that in WNY.

 

I am sure they are glad I left tho...I hated Ohio State and used to actively root against them when they played Michigan...needless to say I wasn't overly popular on those days.

 

Had a friend that lived near campus and a bunch of used to go to his place and watch games sometimes but made sure to be nowhere near there if they were at home against Michigan especially after they rioted and tipped over cars and set them on fire the one year...

 

Also stopped and helped quite a few people who couldn't get their cars unstuck during random snow events there. Remember the one time I was coming out of my townhouse and I notice a group of about 10 people all around a car and trying to get it unstuck...I sauntered over and asked if they needed some help and the one person said "Man...we have been here trying for about an hour and none of us can get this damn car out...you know any tricks?"  and I was like "Yeah,  got one I can show you..." so they let me try and I got to work rocking it back and forth by quickly going from drive to reverse and about a minute later it popped out and they all looked at me stunned and I just said "OK, you are all set" and started walking away...the one person yelled "Hey man! How did you do learn how to do that?" and I just laughed and said "I'm from Buffalo!" and kept walking.

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Joe D lived down the street from my parent's house in OP and I saw him occasionally as a kid when riding my bike with friends.  He always waved and seemed like a nice guy.

 

My friends and I were hanging out shooting pool at the old Rappl's in OP one night and Jeff Wright came in with some buddies.  We gave him the nod and left them alone and they hung out at the bar for awhile doing shots and drinking beer.

 

I ran into Fred Smerlas one morning in the Denny's parking lot near the 5 corners in OP.  He said hello and seemed like a happy-go-lucky guy.  Too bad he's a douche now.

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2 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Everyone seems to have a Jim Kelly story they don't want to share. 

When I was stationed in Cape Cod one of my friends there was telling me how he was at a bar where he asked the waitress for her number she wouldn’t give it and Jim Kelly threw a drink in her face

Josh Allen’s family owns a farm right down the street from where my grandfather owned a dairy in California I know his family but I’ve never actually been able to meet Josh

 

When Josh went to play his college ball in Wyoming that was about 30 minutes away from where I lived as a youth in Kemmerer Wyoming

 

 

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Almost 20 years ago Thurman Thomas was playing in a coed softball league in Orlando as my opponent. At end of game I walked over, in my Bills hat, and told him how much I enjoyed watching him play back in the 90's. He politely shook my hand and basically ran to his car to get away from me. My favorite non Bill meeting was when I was looking for a new house and while in model home Dominique Wilkins walks in asking about amenities. That was when I realized that sign out front of neighborhood was not current and the starting price was $1.2 million not $200k

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Probably 20 years ago Terrence McGee had an autograph signing at some type of store in Rochester. I was last in line and at the very end he let me sit next to him and take a picture. I was only like 15 so I didn’t really know what to say. He was also kind of calm and quiet but really cool.

 

To this day autographs mean nothing to me because I think pictures with players are way cooler 

 

the coolest part is it was a chance encounter. We didn’t know he would be there that day 

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8 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Almost 20 years ago Thurman Thomas was playing in a coed softball league in Orlando as my opponent. At end of game I walked over, in my Bills hat, and told him how much I enjoyed watching him play back in the 90's. He politely shook my hand and basically ran to his car to get away from me. My favorite non Bill meeting was when I was looking for a new house and while in model home Dominique Wilkins walks in asking about amenities. That was when I realized that sign out front of neighborhood was not current and the starting price was $1.2 million not $200k

 

How many did you buy?    😋

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Carwell Gardner. Played darts at the Park Bench in Rochester with him one night. I lived on Argyle St at the time. It was a Tuesday so not busy. He was there with a girl I had been talking to for a few weeks and wanted to date. I gave up on that idea. :) Found out a few years later she was actually still interested and was bummed I never asked her out. 

 

super nice guy. When we were playing and I introduced myself, he just said “Carwell”. I said, “I know who you are, man. Just messing with you.” I think he respected that and we hung out playing darts for an hour or two. BTW - he didn’t drink any alcohol. I initially beat him, but every beer I got a little worse, and he laughed at me about it. Fun night.

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2 hours ago, jayg said:

Jim Kelly in Richmond,  VA in 1991.  Let's just say he wasn't very nice and I'll leave it that.

 

Thats a bummer......I was actually fortunate enough to be invited to Jim's house after one of the games while Bruce, Thurman, Biscuit, Tally, Kent, Andre, and I think Tasker was there too along with some others. Brains a little fuzzy as it was many moons and many brain cells ago.  Actually ran into Andre and Tally a few weeks later at Bathtub Bill's Bar in Rochester and they remembered me!  I was shocked.

 

Was surprised to see then all busting balls when Burman did the Bills recap.  It was hilarious.  Jim was very gracious, Bruce was nice, Thurman a wee bit standoffish but hey he didn't know me.

 

Many years later I ran into Tasker while I was a Marshall at the LPGA and he was golfing with Jim Boeheim and I forgot who the pro was.  UBER SUPER competitive dude.  UBER!!!  THAT was funny as all get out.

 

Used to go to a weekly taping that Robb Riddick used to do in Rochester, On Lexington and Mt Read, place is long gone but met a chatted with many players and team personnel.  I always wanted to meet Marv.  That woulda been a hoot.

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I met Jim Kelly and an autograph signing. He wasn't all that nice and he was giving away fake autograph black and white photos of himself. Needless to say I soured on Kelly in my youth.

 

I met Frank Reich at the Buffalo airport when was picking up my mom. Genuine nice guy.

 

I met Steve Christie at a cousin's wedding again a nice guy.

 

I talked to Arthur Moates and Chris Palmer through work and both conversations.  I also talked to Ryan Denney's wife via work and she seemed sweet. 

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1 hour ago, mrags said:

Brian Moorman

Jim Kelly

Andre Reed

 

all absolute @$$holes. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. 

Whenever you hear only side of a story like this, I often wonder what the other side of the story is, and if the version we are hearing is actually the "right" one.

 

Don't get me wrong mrags, I'll side with you on this one.  

 

But I just wonder about some of these.  Some fans out there are freaking crazy, really weird, or just abnormal people, and I can see a famous person trying to get far away from them once they catch a whiff of it! I'm with the famous person in that situation.

 

Now, if a fan is polite and straight forward, but the famous person is just an a-hole, well, that's different.

 

We heard that story up-thread about Nate Odomes shafting a kid 3 times inside a half hour!  Hard to think the kid was the wrong party in that exchange!

 

 

 

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I saw Rex Ryan at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.  He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”  I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.  The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.  When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

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5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Whenever you hear only side of a story like this, I often wonder what the other side of the story is, and if the version we are hearing is actually the "right" one.

 

Don't get me wrong mrags, I'll side with you on this one.  

 

But I just wonder about some of these.  Some fans out there are freaking crazy, really weird, or just abnormal people, and I can see a famous person trying to get far away from them once they catch a whiff of it! I'm with the famous person in that situation.

 

Now, if a fan is polite and straight forward, but the famous person is just an a-hole, well, that's different.

 

We heard that story up-thread about Nate Odomes shafting a kid 3 times inside a half hour!  Hard to think the kid was the wrong party in that exchange!

 

 

 

It really probably depends what day you catch them on

 

I met Andre Reed when I was a teen and I can also say he gave me the cold shoulder… I just wanted to tell him how great a football player he was

 

And he basically gave me the cold shoulder

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It really probably depends what day you catch them on

 

I met Andre Reed when I was a teen and I can also say he gave me the cold shoulder… I just wanted to tell him how great a football player he was

 

And he basically gave me the cold shoulder

Don't feel badly. That's just the way he treats people, even when he comes out to a Bills Backers meeting.

 

 

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I'm not very good with faces. Compound that with those faces being buried in a helmet, and I'm done for. Tom Brady could pass me on the street and I wouldn't even notice.

 

FWIW... a friend of mine had an Ed Oliver experience at Dave & Busters. It was very positive and made him an Ed Oliver jersey owner. There's a lot to be said about being humble and having basic manners.

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Ran into Marv Levy on the street in Buffalo in 2016 (he was in town for the opening game and Bruce Smith number retirement.

 

Right there in the moment, without hesitation, I said "There's no place I'd rather be than right here, right now."  I'm probably not the first person who ever did that to him but I was so proud of myself for thinking to say it.

 

Got a nice selfie with him.

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In 1980 I was a grad student at the University of Wyoming, and UW grad Conrad Dobler was there for a public event of some kind.  He had signed with the Bills, who needed him because they'd traded Joe DeLamielleure to the Browns, which was a trade Joe D requested to get away from the Bills HC at the time, Chuck Knox.

 

I talked to Dobler, told him I was a Bills fan, and asked if he knew what the reason for Joe D wanting to be traded was.  He was very nice, saying that sometimes people just rub each other the wrong way.  He didn't act at all like his reputation would have indicated.  (You young'uns on the board should look up what Dobler was accused of by other players.)

 

As far as I know, Dobler is the only Wyoming player to be a Bill.  Oh, wait ....

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Went to a Bills game and my brother about 10 years ago. We also brought our young sons. Around 10 and 12 years old. We had tickets for the M and T suite. When boarding the plane (obviously we were in Bills gear) Joe  DeLamielleure Was sitting in first class. As we walked by he looked at my son and said “ do you know who I am.” My son did not speak. I whispered in his ear but he was still frozen. We fist bumped and said thanks. When we got off the plane my son said “ I know who you are now.” He told me son and nephew to come over and he told us dads to snap some pics. Good guy, down to earth and he initiated all contact.

At the game in the suite we asked if my son could have a pic with Andre Reed. Let’s say I’m not a fan.

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7 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Don't feel badly. That's just the way he treats people, even when he comes out to a Bills Backers meeting.

 

 

Yea I don’t take it personal, even if it upset me as a teen 

 

I’ve met plenty of bills players and some were chill and some were indifferent… in the drought era some even refused to admit they were bills players lol 

 

I met Cyrus Kouandijo and he told me he was a ballerina 

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31 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I met Jim Kelly and an autograph signing. He wasn't all that nice and he was giving away fake autograph black and white photos of himself. Needless to say I soured on Kelly in my youth.

 

I met Frank Reich at the Buffalo airport when was picking up my mom. Genuine nice guy.

 

I met Steve Christie at a cousin's wedding again a nice guy.

 

I talked to Arthur Moates and Chris Palmer through work and both conversations.  I also talked to Ryan Denney's wife via work and she seemed sweet. 

 

3 hours ago, jayg said:

Jim Kelly in Richmond,  VA in 1991.  Let's just say he wasn't very nice and I'll leave it that.

 

Not surprising as I believe pretty much anyone who met him around the time of his playing days would have gotten this impression.   Guy was known for being not so gracious then .     I met him after he had been treated for cancer and seemed a bit more down to earth. 

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