YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Well, 3 of those guys play offense. Oh, defense only? Well there are only 11 so… sure he can be in the top 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Well, 3 of those guys play offense. Id probably have to say the Top 5 important guys on Defense are: Von Rousseau Jones Edmunds White Some of it is positional… we’re seeing what a dominant DL does. Pass Rushers >>> Safety and I think Daquan Jones is sneaky important. He is a monster at commanding double teams and stuffing the run game. The way Edmunds is playing, he’s an elite LB who’s making splash plays. That’s equally as valuable to a top tier Safety, but Jaquan Johnson is a much higher level replacement player than Dodson or Bernard. Tre White, top tier CB when he comes back >>> Safety. Edited September 24, 2022 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I just keep reminding myself, we have Josh Allen. Remember that!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big C said: you and me both dude. Big blow but the front 7 is stout, the line is deep and at the offense can’t be stopped. No time to fret. This is still our year. I agree—— as long as the injuries don’t continue to mount. Poyer & Hyde are one of the best safety combos in league history and play an important part of keeping opposing offenses from going over the top. They compliment each other so well. Hopefully Johnson’s experience in the scheme will lead to similar results. you’re right, this years team is all about the DL- as long as they can stay healthy (for the playoffs) I like our chances. We have an all time type team here, losing one of our leaders hurts, but it’s not the end. No more season ending injuries. Please god. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Hamlin's listed as Hyde's backup. Will that hold true or will Johnson get the start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan in MD Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 This obviously sucks, but the silver lining is that he's expected to make a full recovery by next season. Neck injuries are no joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Should we start thinking about a trade? next man up only goes so far. we need DB depth at the least if not 1 starting DB Yeah, let’s trade Allen for Dion Sanders in his prime! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 D'oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Id probably have to say the Top 5 important guys on Defense are: Von Rousseau Jones Edmunds White Some of it is positional… we’re seeing what a dominant DL does. Pass Rushers >>> Safety and I think Daquan Jones is sneaky important. He is a monster at commanding double teams and stuffing the run game. The way Edmunds is playing, he’s an elite LB who’s making splash plays. That’s more valuable than a Safety as well. Tre White, top tier CB when he comes back >>> Safety. In most cases I agree. I disagree in this scheme with this team. Our safety tandem was the reason our defense was ranked #1 in the league last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How can you say that at this point? I would think there's a high chance he could end up retiring from this. He'll be 32 in a couple months and this is not a minor injury. Exactly...it wasn't for Aaron William either until he tried to come back and play I think this almost forces Beane's hand to resign Poyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Sounds like good news as far as him returning in 2023. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I believe this would clear about $8 million or so in cap space, I would love to see us make a move for Landon Collins or someone similar. One year deal and wouldn't push out Hyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: In most cases I agree. I disagree in this scheme with this team. Our safety tandem was the reason our defense was ranked #1 in the league last season. Agreed on last season, but I don’t care about having a #1 ranked statistical defense that can’t stop power run teams or sack elite QB’s. Very different defense this year. Hyde & Poyer on the back end was an embarrassment of riches once Tre comes back. I don’t think they are the heart of “this” defense though. This defense runs through the DL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: While unfortunate, Jaquan Johnson has been here for 4 years. If we think he is an eventual replacement for either Poyer or Hyde now I’d his time to show it. He’s also a FA so he has a lot to gain now with the Bills or someone else His time to shine baby, next man up. He’s got some years under his belt, let’s see what he can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Landon Collins.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Crap. So weird that the Dane Jackson injury seemed like the bad one. Get well soon Micah. Next man up… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Ouch. Did not want to hear that. Hope he gets healthy and is ready to go next season. Let's see what the young guys can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: 6 out of 11 starters out on Sunday is 1 player? Ok then. Who knows when those guys come back? 6 of 11? Tre comes back in 2 or so weeks, so he was never one of the 11. Oliver and Phillips being out isn't ideal, but Settle will be back, and The DL can still make plays with Jones, Basham, Shaq as well. As long as Groot and Von stay healthy, I like the Bills chances. At least they have some cap space if they need to bring anyone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: In most cases I agree. I disagree in this scheme with this team. Our safety tandem was the reason our defense was ranked #1 in the league last season. I would feel ok losing one or the other. Hyde himself said the defense doesn’t miss a beat when Jaquan is in there. Losing both is tough to replace for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 What's his injury though? I don't think there's a neck injury that would keep someone out for a season but be ok the next season all by itself. If he has a spinal issue it's either surgery or never play again. Sitting out a year won't help that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, buffaloboyinATL said: Crap. So weird that the Dane Jackson injury seemed like the bad one. Get well soon Micah. Next man up… Yes, but this has been recurring for Hyde. Now’s the time to fix it before it becomes career threatening, or even life threatening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: Id probably have to say the Top 5 important guys on Defense are: Von Rousseau Jones Edmunds White I think Poyer just got much more important this season… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, jlgarsh said: 6 of 11? Tre comes back in 2 or so weeks, so he was never one of the 11. Oliver and Phillips being out isn't ideal, but Settle will be back, and The DL can still make plays with Jones, Basham, Shaq as well. As long as Groot and Von stay healthy, I like the Bills chances. At least they have some cap space if they need to bring anyone in. Tre likely won’t be back until after the bye against Green Bay. Oliver provides the pressure in the middle. Not having him is a huge deal unless Settle is fully healthy and steps up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bummer news. Get well soon Micah! Early hot take.. with both Benford and Elam getting so much playing time early in the season and looking pretty good and with Tre coming back from injury in a few weeks any chance any of them can make the conversion from corner to Free Safety? I believe it is not unheard of for corners to convert to safeties later in their careers. As good as Tre is I'm not sure he has the build for a safety. I'm also mostly intrigued because I hate to have one of Benford or Elam on the bench when Tre comes back when they are playing so well. But first lets see how Jaquan Johnson plays. His time to step up. And he will have a great supporting cast around him. Like others have accurately said, this will be an audition for Juquan. If he compliments Jordan over the next few weeks he'll be locked in. But if not we might have to make a move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Safety is one of the positions we could afford to have this happen. Johnson is no slouch and McDermott is a DB whisperer. I think safety was our safety blanket for managing significant time with a rookie statue CB. Losing Hyde hurts that and creates a little more urgency around Tre coming back IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Last season I remember our training staff getting a lot of credit for our team remaining healthy. I have no doubt they are top notch but I also believe a lot of luck went into that. It's football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: What's his injury though? I don't think there's a neck injury that would keep someone out for a season but be ok the next season all by itself. If he has a spinal issue it's either surgery or never play again. Sitting out a year won't help that pinched nerve in his neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, buffaloboyinATL said: I think Poyer just got much more important this season… Agreed. He may have moved into the Top 5 now. The reason I wouldn’t include Hyde (or Poyer) is because our next Safety is Jaquan Johnson.. a guy everyone raves about as just needing a chance. Now that the next guy is Hamlin… it’s a bit less ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 He's done as a Bill. Sad news. He was already a guy that may have been on the cap casualty list for this offseason. No way are they keeping him now. Safeties are like RBs. They are a dime a dozen and only a few teams are overpaying for them - Steelers and Seahawks. Bills got there two starting safeties on the cheap in the past and they will do the same thing this off season. Very sad way to end his Bills career but my guess is he played his last game in Bills uniform this past Monday. 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Before the Von signing I’ve been vocal that I think Poyer is the most important piece to the defense. He’s been lights out in the pass game and doesn’t get some of the national accolades because he covers up some of Edmunds early deficiencies in play recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Every single time I've logged on since Monday night it is more and more bad news. W T F?! Stop logging in!!!! I mean it's worth a shot right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: What's his injury though? I don't think there's a neck injury that would keep someone out for a season but be ok the next season all by itself. If he has a spinal issue it's either surgery or never play again. Sitting out a year won't help that Herniated disc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: I agree—— as long as the injuries don’t continue to mount. Poyer & Hyde are one of the best safety combos in league history and play an important part of keeping opposing offenses from going over the top. They compliment each other so well. Hopefully Johnson’s experience in the scheme will lead to similar results. you’re right, this years team is all about the DL- as long as they can stay healthy (for the playoffs) I like our chances. We have an all time type team here, losing one of our leaders hurts, but it’s not the end. No more season ending injuries. Please god. Huge blow to the Bills. He is one of the staples to the secondary. Injuries already starting to mount up and its only week 3. I feel injuries are probably the main culprit to not making that super Bowl appearance. Hyde's play and leadership will be difficult to replace. The Bills just got weaker on the defensive side of the ball. Injuries are part of the game but this sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: I agree—— as long as the injuries don’t continue to mount. Poyer & Hyde are one of the best safety combos in league history and play an important part of keeping opposing offenses from going over the top. They compliment each other so well. Hopefully Johnson’s experience in the scheme will lead to similar results. you’re right, this years team is all about the DL- as long as they can stay healthy (for the playoffs) I like our chances. We have an all time type team here, losing one of our leaders hurts, but it’s not the end. No more season ending injuries. Please god. They are the best safety duo in the NFL and have been. Ultimately that didn’t stop a top tier QB in Mahomes finding holes in the short and intermediate field which turned into big gains. If we can consistently get pressure with four rushers the rest will take care of itself. Our secondary helped mask a mediocre pass rush early on, but now we have the pieces up front, and we can trust the coaching staff to get the depth pieces ready to play as has been the case over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I low key think Johnson is going to be a stud. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: I low key think Johnson is going to be a stud. He certainly can lay the wood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Huge loss. The safeties and their ability to disguise is why this d is great. We'll be 9k though. JJ has been here a while now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Herniated disc That's what I'm thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Landon collins is out there if Johnson doesn’t cut it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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