JerseyBills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Hypothetically, if you were a fan of another team, going against our boys, what in the world do you do on defense to stop the Bills? I mean they were tough last year but wow , they are operating on a different level. We can go 5 wide to a heavy set in a matter of a play and destroy you. With a running game that's effective as well. Man/zone, a spy, it doesn't Matter.. A DCs worse nightmare. Just curious about some opinions on What would we be saying in the lead up to a game against Allen and this O? Because I have none. I have no clue how you stop this O, or slow them down for lack of a better term. Go Bills! Edited September 21, 2022 by JerseyBills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I'm not sold on the running game being effective just yet. The Titans sold out to stop the run which I thought was odd given their secondary wasn't exactly all pro. The narrative has changed this year to it seems to only team to stop the Bills is the Bills 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 They can’t. Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women. 9 4 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I don't think there is anything you can do gameplan wise on a week to week basis. I think if I was a General Manager of an AFC East team my team building plan would be to try and have really elite players on the defensive interior. I know we have done a reasonable job neutralising Donald and Simmons the past two weeks but they have still had their wins in those games and I just think you know enough about the Bills team building now to know they prefer a smart, athletic finesse guy at center to prioritise pass pro and haven't been super aggressive in upgrading the guard spots. So I'd start there. I think in terms of the defensive backfield you have to have four coverage guys. Don't go drafting box safeties, draft rangey cover guys. I think that combination of prioritising the interior rather than the edge on the defensive line and coverage rather than run stuffing in the secondary is the way you have to build to give yourselves the best chance to cause the Bills offense problems. But ultimately you are gonna have to have very good to elite level players at all of those spots to actually succeed against them on any sort of consistent basis. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Have Josh Allen play against Josh Allen. Worked well last year. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Our running game is reasonable but not the top of the NFL. It is probably still the weakest side of our offense, doubly so if you consider our offensive run blocking doesn’t seem to be top tier either. Best way would be try to close off the passing routes, rush Josh and force us to run the ball - but that’s easier said than done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Hypothetically, if you were a fan of another team, going against our boys, what in the world do you do on defense to stop the Bills? I mean they were tough last year but wow , they are operating on a different level. We can go 5 wide to a heavy set in a matter of a play and destroy you. With a running game that's effective as well. Man/zone, a spy, it doesn't Matter.. A DCs worse nightmare. Just curious about some opinions on What would we be saying in the lead up to a game against Allen and this O? Because I have none. I have no clue how you stop this O, or slow them down for lack of a better term. Go Bills! I think it is tough. But if if were a DC, I would double team Diggs and force other receivers to beat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Pressure up the gut has been Allen’s only real kryptonite. But only a few have been able to really wreck a game in recent memory. Heyward simmons Chris Jones If you can pressure up the gut and put a spy on Allen or have the LE play qb contain and stop him from running to the right sidelines is probably the best defense. I can’t give any credit to the run game, we are still barely attempting runs. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Rc2catch said: Pressure up the gut has been Allen’s only real kryptonite. But only a few have been able to really wreck a game in recent memory. Heyward simmons Chris Jones Yep the players who have wrecked games for us have mainly been interior penetrators. Even that Jags game where it was Josh Allen they had him rushing from the 3T in some nascar packages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Same way you have to deal with KC and how they should deal with Miami. Rush four drop 7 in deep shell. Hell rush 3 and drop 8 at times. Stunt your DL to try and create some pass rush lanes. Hope for a 1:1 pass blocking breakdown. Bills OL is still a work in progress. Saffold did not look good in pass blocking Monday but Brown looks improved to me. Probably have the most success rushing up the middle. Get Saffold or Morse moving laterally and then have the DE loop back around. Or rush a guy in the gap between Bates and Morse to occupy Morse and then bull rush Saffold. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 21, 2022 Author Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Our running game is reasonable but not the top of the NFL. It is probably still the weakest side of our offense, doubly so if you consider our offensive run blocking doesn’t seem to be top tier either. Best way would be try to close off the passing routes, rush Josh and force us to run the ball - but that’s easier said than done. Agreed. But our #1 and most talented RB has 14 carries in 2 games at 4.8 ypc , because the pass game is that good. And play action has worked great. Add Josh in the run game mix as well, I feel we have a very respectable run game. Not calling it great, but definitely effective 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Wind, lots of wind. Or possibly a team with an elite pair of CB's and safeties, but not sure of any team with those besides the bills when Tre gets healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Hypothetically, if you were a fan of another team, going against our boys, what in the world do you do on defense to stop the Bills? I mean they were tough last year but wow , they are operating on a different level. We can go 5 wide to a heavy set in a matter of a play and destroy you. With a running game that's effective as well. Man/zone, a spy, it doesn't Matter.. A DCs worse nightmare. Just curious about some opinions on What would we be saying in the lead up to a game against Allen and this O? Because I have none. I have no clue how you stop this O, or slow them down for lack of a better term. Go Bills! Pray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Curious to see how Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner does against the Bills. Jets fans think he can be the next Revis type of CB for them. As for stopping the Bills I think only the Bills can stop themselves. But remember the Jacksonville game last year so the Bills offense may have a bad game at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Make the Bills run the ball. Easier said than done but they haven't proven they can switch up and run the ball consistently. They pretty much abandoned it against the Titans because the pass game was clicking....but I would be concerned if a D-Coord actually finds a way to take away the passing attack. Does anyone feel comfortable that the Bills can ground and pound it for a win? Edited September 21, 2022 by BIGFOOTspaceman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 my pipsqueak answer is "Thank God it's not Our Problem" right? haha.....file this under the "Not Easily Done" category tck-m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Interior pressure is probably your best bet, it might be the only thing Allen kind of struggles with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 You have to play press coverage with your corners, and pray your safeties can stop anything over the top. Then, let your interior linemen stop the Bills totally average running game. What Josh has learned, and I’ll never figure out why more teams don’t, is that as soon as he sees soft coverage he throws to the outside for an easy five to seven yards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The only way to stop this offense is Allen not playing. They broke down some defensive strategies on NFL Network yesterday. The Rams and Titans did their best, but Allen is uncontainable now that he can read any defense and throws accurately. And of course he has that additional ability to buy time or escape the pocket when a play is covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I don't think this offense can be held under 30 points by anybody. We can turn the ball over and get ourselves behind the schedule with penalties, but that's just us stopping ourselves. I mean, our defense is arguably the best in the league. Suppose Tre was back and everybody was at full health. I'd fully expect our offense to consistently beat our defense if they played against one another for real. That's just how the NFL is these days -- it favors the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: I'm not sold on the running game being effective just yet. The Titans sold out to stop the run which I thought was odd given their secondary wasn't exactly all pro. The narrative has changed this year to it seems to only team to stop the Bills is the Bills If the Bills do not demonstrate that they can run the ball, all season long , it will come back to bite them in the late season & playoffs, ya can’t be a one dimensional team against the good teams, jmo. Go Bills!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The funny thing is IMO, this offense still hasn't clicked on all cylinders yet. And were still blowing teams out of the water. This team fully healthy in all positions will be an insane display of dominance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Make the Bills run the ball. Easier said than done but they haven't proven they can switch up and run the ball consistently. They pretty much abandoned it against the Titans because the pass game was clicking....but I would be concerned if a D-Coord actually finds a way to take away the passing attack. Does anyone feel comfortable that the Bills can ground and pound it for a win? No matter how the season plays out I would expect Beane to focus on the OL in the upcoming draft. This is still one area of the team that can be upgraded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: If the Bills do not demonstrate that they can run the ball, all season long , it will come back to bite them in the late season & playoffs, ya can’t be a one dimensional team against the good teams, jmo. Go Bills!!! I get why they went away from the run against the Titans, which just drives Vrabel's nickname home even further as he painfully found out. I think this week with no Donald or Simmons to worry about, they'll open up the run game more and it'll probably be more productive. I just hope Singletary gets the majority of the touches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Pick your poison and hope for the best. Only the Bills can beat the Bills and I am sure there will be a couple clunkers this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 As said upthread, the only team stopping the Bills is the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Allow 9 yards on downs 1 & 2. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep the players who have wrecked games for us have mainly been interior penetrators. Even that Jags game where it was Josh Allen they had him rushing from the 3T in some nascar packages. this is what i am thinking. use LB's against our interion OL who are not the skillset to stop aggressive LB's who can move and hustle. i will try to get some time to put some info in this post if i think about it. but i wouldn't care about the run game, i would not care about josh running the ball right now. i'd sell out in pass coverage and if josh runs then he runs - i wasn't going to stop him anyway. i'll just use that LB to put licks on him every time i can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Wait who really started this thread?? Belicheat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I don't think you can go into a game thinking you are going to stop the Bills, with that said... I'd go almost all zone. No partial man/zone combos. MAYBE give the Bills 1-2 looks per quarter of man to keep them honest, but base I'm going to play zone coverage (should help SLIGHTLY with keeping Allen from scrambing for big gains) I'm going to go with exotic rushes. Very few full blitzes, but I want to bring some pressure from all over. Every other play I'm going to bring a Safety or even a Corner blitz from someplace. I want pressure coming from all angles just to keep the Bills guessing. Blitz a corner from outside the hash marks, have an end that play drop into a shallow zone coverage. Maybe have some plays where I only have 2 DL on the field, but then overload with pressure from LB/DBs all from one side of the field on those plays. Again, you aren't going to stop the Bills, but I want to do enough to possibly cause some turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Hope Allen has a bad day, or your offense has an amazing day. Only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You have to play press coverage with your corners, and pray your safeties can stop anything over the top. Then, let your interior linemen stop the Bills totally average running game. What Josh has learned, and I’ll never figure out why more teams don’t, is that as soon as he sees soft coverage he throws to the outside for an easy five to seven yards. I agree with this. Over the last year or so, when you watch the Bills big plays a lot of them are when the Safeties are SUPPOSED to play deep but they often bite on shorter routes, and when they get out of position that opens the medium-long routes up for the Bills. I'd want to make sure my DB's who are in zone are discipline, don't try to be a hero and make sure everyone maintains their zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Well, you could always forfeit the game! Ok, serious question then. First, I think that you need to bite the bullet and double cover Diggs. I love Gabe Davis, and I want him back soon, but there is a severe drop off between Diggs and him. I see a big drop off between Diggs and the rest of a receiving threats (Davis, McKenzie, Knox, Crowder). The most significant loss on offense was Beasley as a zone beater, so if you are playing tight, disciplined zone coverage you can at least contain them and hope for a mistake. Next, I'd do my best to stunt, overload and double gap on the D-line, trying to overwhelm Saffold, Bates and Brown who are all good but not world beaters. You have to generate quite pressure while cutting off escape routes. Try to force third and short where the Bills seem to keep having problems. This is not easy. I do not foresee many games this year like the Steelers and Jaguars last year. But if I am trying to come up with something that's what I would try. Josh Allen is playing out of his mind right now, and while he does still sometimes have a dud, his short field accuracy has looked amazing and he is now willing to take the profit. I keep going back to all of those easy Diggs completions because the CB just played so far off him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Zone D. Front 4 pressure. Stout against run in base nickel. Comes down to pressure and getting home a few times or at least keeping allen looking at the rush instead of downfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 You paint the word "LOSING" in both end zones in Miami. It is such a detestable and anathema word that it does not exist in the lexicon of the Offense's communication skills. Yes...such a vile word might give them a momentary pause on even entering such a land. ...for a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 In Miami they could have a bunch of bikini babes distracting the players….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Have to have a great front 4 and drop 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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