Inigo Montoya Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 35 snaps works out to 52% of the defensive snaps that night. That makes Miller's stat line even more impressive; 4 total tackles 4 solo tackles 3 tackles for loss 2 sacks It's an amazing amount of production for just 52% of the defensive snaps. Contrast this with Miller's usage last season, when playing with the Broncos he had a 76% snap count, and when he went to the Rams he was on the field for 79% of their defensive snaps. If Frazier can continue to keep Miller at around 50% of defensive snaps it should increase Von's longevity and let him roll into the playoffs with a lot of gas left in his tank. This D-Line rotation is going to eat all year and being able to run a fresh Von Miller out onto the field in the 4th quarter is going to be huge for this defense. 23 5 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 That's great - we'll get a lot more mileage out of him in the long run, and he still had a huge impact. In general, I love the coaching philosophy w/ the D and always rotating. I think Collinsworth said we do that more than any other team in the league, and I think it works. Especially w/ our depth. Non-related note: did anyone notice how huge Rousseau is now? He must have put on 20 lbs. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I always thought Miller had a lot left in the tank but he was a fricken BEAST this week. I didnt expect THAT. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: 35 snaps works out to 52% of the defensive snaps that night. That makes Miller's stat line even more impressive; 4 total tackles 4 solo tackles 3 tackles for loss 2 sacks It's an amazing amount of production for just 52% of the defensive snaps. Contrast this with Miller's usage last season, when playing with the Broncos he had a 76% snap count, and when he went to the Rams he was on the field for 79% of their defensive snaps. If Frazier can continue to keep Miller at around 50% of defensive snaps it should increase Von's longevity and let him roll into the playoffs with a lot of gas left in his tank. This D-Line rotation is going to eat all year and being able to run a fresh Von Miller out onto the field in the 4th quarter is going to be huge for this defense. Keeping Miller fresh is a key. It also allows guys like Epenessa and Basham to get reps and continue to develop and earn time. Basham was on the field for only 26 snaps (39%). 2 TAK/ 1 Sack/ 1 INT is pretty impressive for 26 snaps... Edited September 10, 2022 by RocCityRoller 6 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Scott7975 said: I always thought Miller had a lot left in the tank but he was a fricken BEAST this week. I didnt expect THAT. a caller on WGR yesterday morning referred to him as (I hoping I get this right) a “homicidal leopard in a Bills uniform” 😂 2 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. You might be right BillsRan130, but I hope 33 year old Von Miller is smart and realizes that if he gets that kind of stat line playing half the snaps and ends up adding a few more productive seasons to his career, that's a pretty good situation for him to be in. The Bills' brain trust also has a vested interest in keeping him productive over the long term with the contract they gave him. Unless it's playoff time, I would expect Von to hover right around that 50% snap count range. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I suspect they will typically play Miller between 50-60% of the snaps. The important seasonal games 55-65% and once we get to the playoffs 60-75% of the snaps. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. piss him off? meh... Von wants to feel fresh out there. Rams worked the dude to death. Von is smiling right now. we are not talking about a young tike ya know? lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Miller needs to be coached that if he plays 50% of the snaps he can essentially play half a season. This will extend his career, which is important. But even more important uses him strategically and efficiently to maximize his output potential. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) The stat line doesn't tell the whole story either. I remember a play where Miller was chasing down Stafford who had bailed out of the pocket and was running for his life to his left. Miller was closing in and Stafford threw the football into the dirt so fast you'd have thought there was a tarantula on it. That play doesn't make it onto the stat sheet but was another play that Miller blew up. Edited September 11, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 3 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. Eventually = post season Imo. Not before 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I noticed he was on the bench in the 4th quarter once the game was in hand. It's smart to limit his snaps if we want him to be fresh for 20 games 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The stat line doesn't tell the whole story either. I remember a play where Miller was chasing down Stafford who had bailed out of the pocket and was running for his life to his left, and Stafford threw the football into the dirt so fast you would have thought there was a tarantula on it. That play doesn't make it onto the stat sheet but was another play that Miller blew up. You could feel that the entire game too. You could just tell Stafford felt rushed in the pocket almost all game long even when he had time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I'm sure the snap counts per game will depend on how each one goes. Had the game been closer, he would've been on the field more the last two Ram drives. I know he was done for the last drive, not sure about the second-to-last? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, RiotAct said: a caller on WGR yesterday morning referred to him as (I hoping I get this right) a “homicidal leopard in a Bills uniform” 😂 Well this needs to be a thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) That's how we roll...keep guys fresh throughout the year...big part of why the Bills are amongst the best in the NFL year in and year out at keeping guys healthy and off the injury reports. Sports science has been embraced by Beane and McDermott since the start and it has paid off huge dividends. Edited September 10, 2022 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: 35 snaps works out to 52% of the defensive snaps that night. That makes Miller's stat line even more impressive; 4 total tackles 4 solo tackles 3 tackles for loss 2 sacks It's an amazing amount of production for just 52% of the defensive snaps. Contrast this with Miller's usage last season, when playing with the Broncos he had a 76% snap count, and when he went to the Rams he was on the field for 79% of their defensive snaps. If Frazier can continue to keep Miller at around 50% of defensive snaps it should increase Von's longevity and let him roll into the playoffs with a lot of gas left in his tank. This D-Line rotation is going to eat all year and being able to run a fresh Von Miller out onto the field in the 4th quarter is going to be huge for this defense. He can take plays off and work as a defense assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Keeping Miller fresh is a key. It also allows guys like Epenessa and Basham to get reps and continue to develop and earn time. Basham was on the field for only 26 snaps (39%). 2 TAK/ 1 Sack/ 1 INT is pretty impressive for 26 snaps... Agreed. I was actually surprised that Von was in there in the 4th quarter. They need to limit his snaps to the bare minimum. We need him in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, NewEra said: Eventually = post season Imo. Not before Ya sounds about right 36 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: piss him off? meh... Von wants to feel fresh out there. Rams worked the dude to death. Von is smiling right now. we are not talking about a young tike ya know? lol I am just basing off what he was saying after he signed with the bills He said he wants to be on the field as much as possible as he can't help the team on the sidelines. (I am paraphrasing but something along those lines) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TPS said: I'm sure the snap counts per game will depend on how each one goes. Had the game been closer, he would've been on the field more the last two Ram drives. I know he was done for the last drive, not sure about the second-to-last? Yeah, he was playing a lot until it was 31-10. Rams ran a total of 21 plays the last 2 drives and don't think he was on the field for any of them (not sure if someone can confirm?) Rams ran 67 plays total. Ran 46 on offense before it became a 31-10 game. 35/46= 76% of snaps Von played up till that point. Good news is that hopefully we blow out a lot of teams this year. No reason for him to play more than 50% of snaps vs teams like the Jets, Bears, Lions, etc. Edit: He did play a bit on the 2nd last drive by looking at the highlights. Was in on at least some of the 3rd and 4th down plays. So that brings it down to 66% which seems more reasonable than 76. Edited September 10, 2022 by Mikie's Bills 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agreed. I was actually surprised that Von was in there in the 4th quarter. They need to limit his snaps to the bare minimum. We need him in January. With Basham (2 TAK/ 1 Sack/ 1 INT/ 1 PD) and Epenessa being productive (1 TAK/ 1 ASST/ 1.5 sacks/ 1 STUFF) it makes it easier to rotate and feel like the DL will be productive. Late in the game there was a DL package with Rosseau/ Basham/ D Jones and Epenessa and they blew up the play. Great to see the young guys improving. Miller is the cherry on top that elevates it all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Miller needs to be coached that if he plays 50% of the snaps he can essentially play half a season. This will extend his career, which is important. But even more important uses him strategically and efficiently to maximize his output potential. No way, I heard Von Miller is pissed at the Bills and is threatening to go play the rest of the season for the Hamilton Ticats. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Von Miller averaged 45 snaps per game last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: I always thought Miller had a lot left in the tank but he was a fricken BEAST this week. I didnt expect THAT. He looked 24-years old. I like the idea of limiting his snaps to keep him fresh…that’s a luxury our DL depth gives us. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) I'm good with Diggs playing 55-65% of snaps to. Especially early in the season. To be fresher later and later in games. It's about our depth and then game flow. Edited September 10, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I think Josh also showed why coming to the Bills was such a smart career move for Von, as he vastly outplayed Stafford. Von going to win more games and be playing with larger leads, meaning more chances to sack the QB. Perfect situation for Von and the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I'm surprised no one mentioned it, but I believe the heat had something to do with the low snap count also. The TV announcers mentioned the heat and the way the bills were rotating players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'm good with Diggs playing 55-65% of snaps to. Especially early in the season. To be fresher later and later in games. It's about our depth and then game flow. Believe it or not Diggs had 38 snaps (64%). Buffalo ran out of I formation and jumbo formations quite a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJS Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agreed. I was actually surprised that Von was in there in the 4th quarter. They need to limit his snaps to the bare minimum. We need him in January. The regular season is important too. If we can get that first round bye and have home advantage through the playoffs, that's huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Success said: That's great - we'll get a lot more mileage out of him in the long run, and he still had a huge impact. In general, I love the coaching philosophy w/ the D and always rotating. I think Collinsworth said we do that more than any other team in the league, and I think it works. Especially w/ our depth. Non-related note: did anyone notice how huge Rousseau is now? He must have put on 20 lbs. Yes, and notice how much more lean Basham looks? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I recall a lot of people saying it would be a waste of his contract and he wouldn't do much if he wasn't on the field for 80%+ of the snaps. If this is the impact he has with 53%, I'm more than happy with saving his body at his age for the playoffs. 45 minutes ago, mannc said: He looked 24-years old. I like the idea of limiting his snaps to keep him fresh…that’s a luxury our DL depth gives us. I kept going "whoa who is that zippy guy blowing things up, wait that's Von?!?" He looked a decade younger out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I was going to write in that trade thread this but after watching that RE interview I was going to compare von being here to a lot like Ware for the Broncos. After that interview I Def feel that. He had a great post season that year. He was a little older and more at the end of his career though but he had a big impact that super bowl season for the Broncos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, and notice how much more lean Basham looks? Basham is looking fast. I also noticed he has a high motor and never gives up on plays. I saw him way down field often after pass completions. I really like his energy. It does look like Beane and McDermott finally got the DL they wanted. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: The stat line doesn't tell the whole story either. I remember a play where Miller was chasing down Stafford who had bailed out of the pocket and was running for his life to his left, and Stafford threw the football into the dirt so fast you would have thought there was a tarantula on it. That play doesn't make it onto the stat sheet but was another play that Miller blew up. That play showed me something I didn't understand, which is that Miller linebacker-quality straight-ahead footspeed. There aren't many defensive linemen who run like that. 16 minutes ago, MJS said: The regular season is important too. If we can get that first round bye and have home advantage through the playoffs, that's huge. I was talking a neighbor this morning who's a big Pats fan, but appreciates what the Bills are doing. He said exactly the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, and notice how much more lean Basham looks? Stafford isn't a great scrambler by any means, but I was still really impressed with how Basham chased him down on that one play and tackled him on the sidelines a yard behind the line of scrimmage for a sack. All effort. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: No way, I heard Von Miller is pissed at the Bills and is threatening to go play the rest of the season for the Hamilton Ticats. The stupidest name ever. It's like the Buffalo William Bills. The Tampa Bay Buccaneer Pirates. The New England Cheating Patriots. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. If this continues, I’d be pissed if I was Miller. Talent level needs to be factored into the rotation concept. If not, McD and Frazier are going to have an unhappy player on their hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible. Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually. I highly doubt this will be an issue if his numbers stay as good as they were in game #1. Arguably a fresher Von later in the season will terrorize opposing o lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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