Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's like people don't understand inflation.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Debbie?

[Warcodered]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

That could be an incredible steal by the end of the season.

 

People always talk about TEs as redzone threats, so you'd think leading the position in TDs would be a bigger deal to people.

[purple haze]

3 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

- 12th in yards per game

- 1st in TDs per game

- 7th in yards per target

- 1st in passer rating when targeted

- Is a very good blocker

 

They’re probably about to give him the targets he deserves and wanted to extend him before his market price shoots through the roof.

Don’t count on his targets going up significantly.  Diggs and Davis will be open a lot and Allen will find them.  A lot.  McKenzie too.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

Not a player I would have committed to.  I still think its him or Gabe.  Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more.

 

We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract.

I mean do you have to work at putting crappy posts up every day

[Logic]

These three things have already been said, but all three of them bear repeating:

1.) You pay a player for future production, not past production. 

2.) However expensive a contract extension may look, just wait a few months, and it'll seem like a bargain. 

3.) It's useless to evaluate a contract until all of the details are known. The first reports to hit the media always come from the player's agent, and are phrased in such a way as to paint the contract in the most favorable light possible. Key facts like "guaranteed money" and "void years" and "bonus incentives" enter the picture later, and almost always drastically change the perception of the contract in question.
 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

Not a player I would have committed to.  I still think its him or Gabe.  Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more.

 

We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract.

I disagree with you but kudos to posting a contrarian viewpoint. Nothing wrong with that and Bills history for TE development certainly is awful.  I think Knox is the most physically gifted TE Bills have ever had and I've been a proponent of him since his mid rookie year.

I think your logic is a bit flawed in terms of it being a decision between Knox and Davis.  If you are thinking about money spent on offense the next decision might be Singletary or Davis. And if Davis has a breakout year that is a no brainer.

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

1st step towards Poyer and Edmunds becoming UFA’s next season.  
 

Next step…Ed Oliver extension. 

 

keep Oliver and Knox.  Edmunds is expendable (not impact player, solid, not impact) and Poyer is getting up there in age with backups who may be able to take over, and if not, rookies generally can step in, esp. with Hyde to assist.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Welp, now we know why Beane freed up some cap space, and love this move!  I said earlier in the offseason that I hoped they signed his extension before the season happens to avoid driving his price too high out of range if he had a big season.  

 

Personally, I think Knox statistically may not see a huge bump in production this year, but that won't devalue who he is to the team or his talents.  And I only say that because this roster is loaded with players who will be, and should be, touching the football and has a QB who spreads the ball around.  Davis IMO might even lead the team in yards and TD's this year over Diggs, I think he will be that involved. 

 

Then we got a renewed running game, a solid pass catcher RB in Devin/Moss with a pass catching specialist in Cook, to go along with likely more rush attempts too.  Then we have 3 slot guys who all should see snaps in McKenzie, Shakir, and Crowder.  

 

There is just one football, so I think 500-600 yards and 6-10 TD's is a reasonable expectation again this year.  He absolutely has the capability of exceeding that, just think much more than that will be tough with how many weapons we have.  

 

The freed up cap space for this season has nothing to do with this. It is a four year extension from 2023 to 2026. 

[Rampage]

Sign your young, productive players at impact positions. Tight end is one of them. Safety and linebacker aren’t. Goodbye Poyer and Edmunds.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Rampage

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

unless he has a massive regression that i can't imagine happening, it was only going to cost a lot more next year.  i love the move.  keep this together.  at the end of the day, the posters i guessed who would have a problem with it are the exact ones how have a problem with it.  

 

i remember the criticism this pick received after the draft.  how could the bills possibly draft a te who had never had a td in college?   the staff knows far more than we do.

Are you sure the staff knows more than you?  I mean you see them about 4 hours a week for 17-22 games or so.  That’s about the same as the staff too right?  Do they even know his birthday?

[muppy]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

after hearing what Dawson had to say about Buffalo after his brothers death I doubt the Bills needed to twist his arm very much. Dawson is signed.  Box checked for 4 more years. I hope his production blows up even more. the offense does not lack star players  but what each player will not know is how many touches they will get.  A lot of very capable players Josh has to feed. I expect this offense to Feast.   And Shakir is also a potential Star from what he showed in camp. Dude has hands of Glue. Like everyone else Im Excited hermanos GO BILLS!~!~!!!

 

 

PS: Dawson Knox...he is sooo fine.  🙂 hot damn !~! lol-m

Edited September 7, 2022 by muppy

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Don’t count on his targets going up significantly.  Diggs and Davis will be open a lot and Allen will find them.  A lot.  McKenzie too.  

With Beasley and Sanders leaving there are a lot of targets available.  I dont expect diggs to get too many (suspect hes on a count again this year).  Davis will def get more but if he doubles his amount theres still plenty for Knox.  I think he would be a priority to target over McKenzie honestly.  Bills have one of the lowest share of targets to TE in the league.  I think Knox will see at least 30 more targets this year.

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I disagree with you but kudos to posting a contrarian viewpoint. Nothing wrong with that and Bills history for TE development certainly is awful.  I think Knox is the most physically gifted TE Bills have ever had and I've been a proponent of him since his mid rookie year.

I think your logic is a bit flawed in terms of it being a decision between Knox and Davis.  If you are thinking about money spent on offense the next decision might be Singletary or Davis. And if Davis has a breakout year that is a no brainer.

 

 

agree with this.  This won't likely impact Davis.  I think Singletary is gone after this year.  He likely has a good year, would like to keep him, but if Davis also has a good year likely easier to replace Singletary (unless he goes really insane on a top 3 RB level).  

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, purple haze said:

Don’t count on his targets going up significantly.  Diggs and Davis will be open a lot and Allen will find them.  A lot.  McKenzie too.  

Beasley being gone frees up a ton of targets and Knox is more of a possession type of player than McKenzie. I’m counting on it.

[Buffalo Boy]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

 

[sullim4]

My opinion on this one is completely dependent on the opportunity cost.

 

Edmunds, Poyer, or Oliver not being signed?  I'm fine with it.  Poyer is too old to commit to a long term, expensive deal.  Edmunds simply is not worthy of a truckload of money.  I think Oliver will ultimately be too expensive for us to sign.  I'd rather have Knox on the offense than any of those guys on the defense.

 

If this signing means there isn't money left for Gabe Davis - I'm against it.  I think Gabe has the higher ceiling and I'd rather see him on the team long term as opposed to Knox.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Technically true, but when we win the SB this year and Gabe has a breakout year, he will want a new contract this offseason. And he isnt wrong to do so. Better to plan on it and be ready. (But I dont have the same amount of worry about any of it that the poster you were responding to does. Beane will get if done)

So we’re going to base things on what we think people are going to do and Call it fact

[Don Otreply]

Great to see! 
 

as to what they are paying him, I don’t give a hoot what they pay him, it was a very good decision to retain his services, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

agree with this.  This won't likely impact Davis.  I think Singletary is gone after this year.  He likely has a good year, would like to keep him, but if Davis also has a good year likely easier to replace Singletary (unless he goes really insane on a top 3 RB level).  

 

Even if it does Beane has to do things one at a time.  The thing with Davis is it's all unknown right now.  He's under contract

for next year and we all (Beane and McDermott included) have to wait to see what happens.  He could play well and be a solid WR2 or

he could play better than last year and end up a WR1B.  Then again, he could go crazy and price himself out of the Bills market.

 

It will be fun to watch what happens with him, but they had to address the TE position now.

[HappyDays]

I think this is a great move for the morale of the locker room, a palate cleanser if you will after the Matt Araiza situation. Everyone on the team knows what Knox went through this offseason, to see him rewarded like this will bring the team closer together.

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by HappyDays

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Great to see! 
 

as to what they are paying him, I don’t give a hoot what they pay him, it was a very good decision to retain his services, 

 

Go Bills!!!

Isn’t it great that we don’t have to manage the salary cap and Beane does it for us?

 

[wppete]

Amazing! Well deserved, hard work pays off! 
 

Now let’s get Ed Oliver’s done now!

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So we’re going to base things on what we think people are going to do and Call it fact

 

huh? WE(?) arent basing anything off anything since this is just a discussion and does not apply to what actually happens.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

I still think its him or Gabe.  Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more.

 

It’s probably Knox or Gabe eventually. But “not enough money under the cap to pay all our good players” is a classic good team problem. 
As far as the wisdom of committing scarce money to Knox vs. Gabe (or another WR): it makes sense to me. They are at about the same stage of development right now - guys who took a big step last year and are poised to enter the ranks of the pro bowlers at their positions. But TEs generally peak later, and elite TEs are a more rare commodity. Ask yourself: when did this franchise last produce one? (“Never” is the answer that comes to mind.) The likelihood of replacing Gabe’s production through other avenues is greater. So yes, this does tie Beane’s hands a bit starting next year, but it’s the kind of calculated risk I applaud him for taking. 

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

My opinion on this one is completely dependent on the opportunity cost.

 

Edmunds, Poyer, or Oliver not being signed?  I'm fine with it.  Poyer is too old to commit to a long term, expensive deal.  Edmunds simply is not worthy of a truckload of money.  I think Oliver will ultimately be too expensive for us to sign.  I'd rather have Knox on the offense than any of those guys on the defense.

 

If this signing means there isn't money left for Gabe Davis - I'm against it.  I think Gabe has the higher ceiling and I'd rather see him on the team long term as opposed to Knox.

Totally reasonable take.

Me? If forced to choose, I'd rather have Knox than Davis, simply because I think very good tight ends are harder to find than very good receivers. Obviously, I hope they re-sign Davis, too. But if they can't, I have faith that they can find a capable replacement at WR. There are simply too many good ones coming out every year. As it is, we've seen them hit on a 4th rounder (Davis) and it appears they've hit on a 5th rounder (Shakir), too.

It's harder to find very good, very productive tight ends, AND it takes longer for rookie tight ends to get acclimated. A matchup-dictating tight end is also more important to overall offensive production and ceiling than a WR2, in my opinion.

Anyway, hopefully it's a moot point and they find a way to pay Gabe, too, because I agree, he's a potentially special player.

Key point to remember: The Bills control Davis for the next three years if they want to, even WITHOUT signing him to an extension.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Logic

[damj]

Awesome!

 

Now extend Poyer

[Special K]

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

agree with this.  This won't likely impact Davis.  I think Singletary is gone after this year.  He likely has a good year, would like to keep him, but if Davis also has a good year likely easier to replace Singletary (unless he goes really insane on a top 3 RB level).  

 

That was my first thought after hearing about the Knox contract....”save some money for Davis and Oliver!!”

 

I’m pretty sure they will be the next two priorities for re-signing next offseason. 

 

This is is likely the last season in a Bills uniform for Singletary and Edmunds. I’m holding out hope for a 1 year extension for Poyer, but I’m sure he’s looking for a longer term deal and will roll the dice on the FA market next offseason.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

Oh you got me good man 😂. If you looked, at the time I was typing that post, literally every single comment before was glowingly positive of the extension.  I was obviously referring to the board at that time, not the general population. 

 

Knox is not, by any standard, a top 5 TE.  That is a delusional take colored by red and blue lens. Don't get me wrong, we all wear em, but take them off for second. He is due for a touchdown regression and by any other measure (especially when you account for blocking) he is not an elite player.  Hope he takes some big steps forward and becomes an elite all around TE, but that's a reach to say currently. 

He’s due for aggression? In an offense that features the tight end?

Edited September 7, 2022 by John from Riverside

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes.

 

 

Based on what?

 

- 18th in TE receptions

- 15th in TE yards

- 22nd in TE yards per reception

 

Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's.

 

 

After all Isn’t that the goal? 🙄

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

While you are hoping you should hope for a replacement to magically appear who is nearly as good, because he is not on the roster now.

What I'm hoping for is a guy to replace him at 1/10th the price, and actually make an impact play from time to time.

 

Edmunds at 5-8 mil? Sure even though I don't like him as as player, but I will acknowledge he is a defensive captain and brings some intangibles to the defence.

 

edmunds at 13 plus? Not a chance in hell

Edited September 7, 2022 by BillsFan130

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills appear to work the opposite of the Packers with Rodgers. They give Josh a lot of trust in who he wants around him. 

 

Rodgers let Adams walk without a peep. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

The top five guys between 13.7 and 15 mil so right in there

 

What's left for Jordan Poyer?

[BullBuchanan]

I really don't like it. Knox is a fine player, but he's far from an elite talent based on what he's shown so far. I think he's closer to top 10 than top 5. A team that's a league favorite shouldn't have to overpay for mediocrity the same way we did when we were in the drought. If he wanted top 5 money, i would have rather drafted a replacement and signed a guy like Gesicki to mid term.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

awe some 

 

I hate when work interrupts my Bills fix.  

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Rodgers let Adams walk without a peep. 

A A Ron won’t be around much longer 

 

JA 17 is ours indefinitely 

Edited September 7, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[sfbillsfan]

What, no more Ertz to the Bills threads? 

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

What's left for Jordan Poyer?

 

Not much. Hope he doesn't get an injury and he gets paid in the off season by someone else. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]