Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

[Rigotz]

To those who are somehow complaining about this contract and saying "we could just get [X player]"

 

How old were you the last time the Bills had a Tight End as good as Dawson Knox?

 

It aint easy signing 25 year old, talented Tight Ends in the open market. 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Technically true, but when we win the SB this year and Gabe has a breakout year, he will want a new contract this offseason. And he isnt wrong to do so. Better to plan on it and be ready. (But I dont have the same amount of worry about any of it that the poster you were responding to does. Beane will get if done)

 

 

Sign me up for this "problem."

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

His salary is between David Njoku (on the high side) and Jonnu Smith/Hunter Henry on the lower side.

Dawson Knox is as good or better than all of them.

 

Kelce's contract has nothing to do with anything.  It's a completely different set of circumstances.

 

Knox is getting paid "today" right where he should be in comparison.

 

I won't argue that he's at least as good if not better than those players, but other teams overspending on mediocre TE's should not have an outsized impact on our approach. It's a weird time for TE's because you have some top 10 talents playing on rookie deals. Meanwhile you have guys like Ertz and Waller who are better than Knox and making significantly less money.

[dma0034]

1 minute ago, Rigotz said:

To those who are somehow complaining about this contract and saying "we could just get [X player]"

 

How old were you the last time the Bills had a Tight End as good as Dawson Knox?

 

It aint easy signing 25 year old, talented Tight Ends in the open market. 

 

 

QB makes all WRs and TEs look better. I would have invested into a different area myself but Beane has shown he knows what he is doing so I'll trust him to believe Knox was the valuable. To put it this way: Kittle is making like a million more a year and is better at receiving and blocking than Knox. You hope Knox can become the player Kittle is now (maybe not as injury prone though)

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

Probably worth noting that Kelce is getting paid $1M more per year at age 32 and his contract grows to $18M per year by age 36.

 

Dawson Knox is 25 years old.

 

Something to consider before you go reach for the tissues, BullBuchanan.

Their respective ages don't interest me. Their talent and production does. After all, Tremaine Edmunds is still only 18 years old.

Edited September 7, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I won't argue that he's at least as good if not better than those players, but other teams overspending on mediocre TE's should not have an outsized impact on our approach. It's a weird time for TE's because you have some top 10 talents playing on rookie deals. Meanwhile you have guys like Ertz and Waller who are better than Knox and making significantly less money.

 

Waller signed his first extension in 2019.  He's going to get a massive extension soon.

Zach Ertz is 32 years old.

 

In a year or two, Knox will barely be a top 10 paid Tight End.  

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Their respective ages don't interest me. Their talent and production does. After all, Tremaine Edmunds is still only 18 years old.

 

This is just silly.  

[MPL]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

If not can always go 2nd option Shaq

Shaq Lawson is my favorite name because it combines the names of two of my all-time favorite people—Shaquille O'Neal and Myself. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Waller signed his first extension in 2019.  He's going to get a massive extension soon.

Zach Ertz is 32 years old.

 

In a year or two, Knox will barely be a top 10 paid Tight End.  

But he is now. Of course the relative value of contracts changes over the years. Not arguing that. They are still paying the maximum right now though. There's no point in re-signing your own players or being a good team with a chance at a ring if you're just going to pay the same amount as a bad team team would for the same player on the open market.

Good player, bad value.

1 minute ago, MPL said:

Shaq Lawson is my favorite name because it combines the names of two of my all-time favorite people—Shaquille O'Neal and Myself. 

Your parents named you Uille?

[sunshynman]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Their respective ages don't interest me. Their talent and production does. After all, Tremaine Edmunds is still only 18 years old.

Wow trotting out the ole Edmunds joke, so original. Don't give up your day job!

 

All your points are incorrect. This was a great move by the FO. And they have the other necessary moves already lined up.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Not a player I would have committed to.  I still think its him or Gabe.  Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more.

 

We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract.

A ray of sunshine 

[1ManRaid]

I think it might have been Andrews who got the same kind of "we think you can be elite, now go prove us right" contract, and saw his targets double right away.  I think Knox could be like a 900 yard, 12 TD guy even with all our other weapons.  I could see Dorsey leaning on him more.

[MPL]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

2 hours ago, MPL said:

I like this move. Now I just need to get my wife on board with naming our first born son Dawson Lawson 😂

 

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

If not can always go 2nd option Shaq

 

No love for Manny?!?

Depends... Is Dawson Josh Allen Manny Shaq Lawson too long of a name?

My gut says it's fine so long as we never build a well...

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

3 minutes ago, MPL said:

Shaq Lawson is my favorite name because it combines the names of two of my all-time favorite people—Shaquille O'Neal and Myself. 

Your parents named you Uille?

Yeah. They went to a lot of Grateful Dead concerts.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Based on what?

 

- 18th in TE receptions

- 15th in TE yards

- 22nd in TE yards per reception

 

Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's.

 

12th in YPG (he missed several games with his broken hand) and 1st in TDs per game. As others have said he is still ascending, so they are paying him for his potential more than his production. But the TD number alone is enough for me to be happy with this deal. Always pay the guys that put points on the board. You can't go wrong with that strategy.

[machine gun kelly]

I think it was a great decision!  It’s still fair, he’s happy, not the highest paid TE, and TE extensions are not as expensive as WRs.

 

TEs are harder to find except maybe QBs.  We have our key QB, edge rushers, DTs, Secondary, and sideline to sideline LB in Milano.  We have our #1 WR, so this is great news.  
 

I won’t even respond to we could’ve got this guy or that guy.  Our TE had 9 TDs last year.

 

Now kicks the crap out of the sheep tomorrow.

[HerdMentality]

Fort Knox!!

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by HerdMentality

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Good player, bad value.

 

Outside of Josh Allen he is our best red zone weapon, by a lot. Last year he scored more TDs than any TE despite missing a couple games, not to mention two TDs in the playoffs.  Yards are important but TDs win games. You're overlooking that.

[RocCityRoller]

Love it! In a year or two when other top TEs are due this will look like a bargain, as long as Knox keeps playing like last year or better.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I won't argue that he's at least as good if not better than those players, but other teams overspending on mediocre TE's should not have an outsized impact on our approach. It's a weird time for TE's because you have some top 10 talents playing on rookie deals. Meanwhile you have guys like Ertz and Waller who are better than Knox and making significantly less money.

 

Everything you posted has truth to it, but everything also has to have context taken into account.

Ertz was traded and then extended.  He's on the wrong side of 30 and his trade cost has to be added to his dollar cost.

The Bills could of (and may have) went after him last year and chose not to.  Beane is betting he is right to stick with Knox.

 

In the long run the added cost of some teams "overspending" just is the nature of the beast.  The GMs of the league have to live with the

cost of an elite WR being $30M this year and only going to rise.  Bills fans are worried about the cost of Davis in 2 years.  None of us will

know what that will be.  It happens up and down the roster at all positions.

 

Knox was drafted, developed and re-signed and is now going into his 4th year a well-respected teammate by the organization and the city.

For me it's one of those "I don't know if it's true, but I believe it" when I say Josh Allen would rather have Dawson Knox over Ertz.

He's a fan favorite and we all know @muppywill go to bed with a smile on her face!  LOL, that's a part of being a fan of a football team too.

 

To be honest I was hoping Knox would sign for a $1M or so less, but it won't sway me in saying it's a good deal for the team.

I'm happy for Dawson and happy he will be a Buffalo Bills for the long-term.  I also believe Dawson hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

We'll all see how he plays tomorrow.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

But he is now. Of course the relative value of contracts changes over the years. Not arguing that. They are still paying the maximum right now though. There's no point in re-signing your own players or being a good team with a chance at a ring if you're just going to pay the same amount as a bad team team would for the same player on the open market.

As pointed out before, Knox is making between Jonu Smith, Hunter Henry and David Njoku after coming off a season where he lead the league in touchdowns for tight ends.
 

So a bad team would pay Knox more or something?  

 

The Bills see Knox as an appreciating value and paid him 6th most at his position lol.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Bangarang]

Good player who knows how to score TDs. If his usage goes up then it will be a bargain of a contract.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Outside of Josh Allen he is our best red zone weapon, by a lot. Last year he scored more TDs than any TE despite missing a couple games, not to mention two TDs in the playoffs.  Yards are important but TDs win games. You're overlooking that.

I'm not overlooking it, I just think that he's a product of opportunity. He's the red zone target because he's who we've got. If we had Kyle Pitts, Hockenson, Gesicki, etc they probably would've been the target. Again, solid player, just not a special one based on what he's shown so far.

[RocCityRoller]

3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Not a player I would have committed to.  I still think its him or Gabe.  Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more.

 

We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract.

 

His contract is in line with Jonnu Smith and David Njoku. Who would you rather have?

[Beast]

That's probably a bargain of a deal for the production I expect from him during that time frame.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

The Bills see Knox as an appreciating value and paid him 6th most at his position lol.

 

Good term and a good way to describe it.

[vtnatefootball11]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

His contract is in line with Jonnu Smith and David Njoku. Who would you rather have?

 

Those were terrible decisions by their respective franchises! I would rather have Knox of that group but barely and more importantly I would rather not make the same mistake the Pats/Browns did. If Knox puts up close to the same numbers as last year but with less touchdowns moving foward (which is incredibly likely btw) is it worth paying him elite TE money which is a now a premium paid position? Hopefully Beane see's something I don't, not gonna doubt him, I just haven't seen it on the field myself.  I view Knox as more of a complimentary than impact player.  

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Will be very interesting to see who dresses week 1. Neither Lawson or Epenesa play STs. One of them probably doesn't dress. Based on preseason Lawson should play but reports from camp said Epenesa was ahead of him. 

Old reputations are hard to kill. Epenesa played 144 special teams snaps last year and 70+ the year before when he was scratched for a handful of games. Epenesa will be in heavy rotation tomorrow night. 

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Rubes said:

Awesome!

 

 

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I will like this move even more if Beane holds his cards and does not give Poyer some huge extension with big guaranteed money that gets kicked down the road.  Both Hyde & Poyer are good players,  but they are not great or elite players .  They are a product of Sean's very conservative style defense and both dudes are now in their 30's. Both guys were lower round picks and both. guys did very little before arriving ins Buffalo and getting into Sean's conservative zone style defense.

 

I don't mind giving guaranteed money for younger players who have not yet reach their ceilings but we cannot be spending like drunken sailors and kicking guaranteed money down the road on older vets who are what they are and if anything will lose ability. The reality is if Poyer wants to add another couple of seasons to current deal at at reasonable amount, then yes but no massive extension.  They cannot afford to pay & keep everyone getting huge deals

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

 

I will like this move even more if Beane holds his cards and does not give Poyer some huge extension with big guaranteed money that gets kicked down the road.  Both Hyde & Poyer are good players,  but they are not great or elite players .  They are a product of Sean's very conservative style defense and both dudes are now in their 30's. Both guys were lower round picks and both. guys did very little before arriving ins Buffalo and getting into Sean's conservative zone style defense.

 

I don't mind giving guaranteed money for younger players who have not yet reach their ceilings but we cannot be spending like drunken sailors and kicking guaranteed money down the road on older vets who are what they are and if anything will lose ability. The reality is if Poyer wants to add another couple of seasons to current deal at at reasonable amount, then yes but no massive extension.  They cannot afford to pay & keep everyone getting huge deals

 

Exactly.

 

 

[muppy]

20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

 

Knox was drafted, developed and re-signed and is now going into his 4th year a well-respected teammate by the organization and the city.

For me it's one of those "I don't know if it's true, but I believe it" when I say Josh Allen would rather have Dawson Knox over Ertz.

He's a fan favorite and we all know @muppywill go to bed with a smile on her face!  LOL, that's a part of being a fan of a football team too.

 

To be honest I was hoping Knox would sign for a $1M or so less, but it won't sway me in saying it's a good deal for the team.

I'm happy for Dawson and happy he will be a Buffalo Bills for the long-term.  I also believe Dawson hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

We'll all see how he plays tomorrow.

The Bills sign Dawson Knox...

[Brandon]

That's excellent news and it's good to see that they finally have a front office that values the TE position and the contribution that a player like Knox can make. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Knox getting resigned before edmunds…the writing def seems to be on the wall but we’ll see

Yes, it should come as no surprise to anyone that this will be Tremaine's last season in Buffalo. Super happy for Dawson and the Bills. Now as so many have accurately stated, let's get Ed signed. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's the red zone target because he's who we've got. If we had Kyle Pitts, Hockenson, Gesicki, etc they probably would've been the target.

 

I have seen Knox make plays in the red zone that only 2-3 other TEs in the NFL could make. It isn't just a matter of opportunity. It's a matter of talent. It isn't a coincidence that in the 2 games he missed - Miami at home and Jacksonville - our offense suddenly got stuck in the mud, after going on a tear in the previous 4 games against Washington, Houston, KC, and Tennessee. We paid him because he became a core player on our offense last year and the drop off from him to a replacement level TE is steep.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Congrats Knox !!!

[BullBuchanan]

16 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

 

I will like this move even more if Beane holds his cards and does not give Poyer some huge extension with big guaranteed money that gets kicked down the road.  Both Hyde & Poyer are good players,  but they are not great or elite players .  They are a product of Sean's very conservative style defense and both dudes are now in their 30's. Both guys were lower round picks and both. guys did very little before arriving ins Buffalo and getting into Sean's conservative zone style defense.

 

I don't mind giving guaranteed money for younger players who have not yet reach their ceilings but we cannot be spending like drunken sailors and kicking guaranteed money down the road on older vets who are what they are and if anything will lose ability. The reality is if Poyer wants to add another couple of seasons to current deal at at reasonable amount, then yes but no massive extension.  They cannot afford to pay & keep everyone getting huge deals

They're the top safety duo in the league and of the two Poyer is better. This argument not to pay Poyer is pretty stupid. Before Miller got here, he was arguably the second best player on our defense. 31 years old isn't old for a safety. he could very easily play out another 4 year contract with no dropoff in production.

[machine gun kelly]

34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

As pointed out before, Knox is making between Jonu Smith, Hunter Henry and David Njoku after coming off a season where lead led tight ends in touchdowns.  
 

So a bad team would pay Knox more or something?  

 

The Bills see Knox as an appreciating value and paid him 6th most at his position lol.

Spot on brother!

 

For anyone griping and I know it’s not a lot,  look at our past.  Now the following contracts after the ones that came later looked like a steal; JA, Tre, Dawkins, Diggs, and Milano.  Every one of them had lesser guys get so much more.

 

I practically guarantee we will look at this contract a year from now and think it was so much better than what the TEs get in the next year.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Spot on brother!

 

For anyone griping and I know it’s not a lot,  look at our past.  Now the following contracts after the ones that came later looked like a steal; JA, Tre, Dawkins, Diggs, and Milano.  Every one of them had lesser guys get so much more.

 

I practically guarantee we will look at this contract a year from now and think it was so much better than what the TEs get in the next year.

 

If you look at the whole TE room, it could work out pretty well.  If Morris can keep developing, he is cost controlled cheap for 2 more years.

Sweeney has to know his way to stay on the team for another year is to work on his blocking.  He would be a vet minimum.

If he can't do it, bring in another cheap blocking TE.

 

The cost of Knox and 2 others could be right at league average!

 

[HurlyBurly51]

That's good pub for Tight End U!

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, julian said:

It’s strange to me that some fans only see the stat line and can’t seem to grasp the bigger picture

Agree.  I wish there were stats for stiff arming, pancaking, steamrolling, and stomping.  Go Bills 🦬🏈

[Tipster19]

4 hours ago, julian said:

Excellent, he’s continues his upward trajectory getting better from year to year and more importantly this move keeps Josh a happy QB.

 

 If Allen knocks on Beans door on your behalf it’s all but done. 

Did Josh really do that?? If so could you be kind enough to post a link to it so I can read about it? Thanks!

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

 

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous take.   

"If the Bills are successful then the successful players will want more money!"  
 

If that's the main concern moving forward then sign me the eff up. 

 

That guy thought it was a bad idea signing Josh Allen.  He is a troll.  Pay that dude no mind.