Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

[Royale with Cheese]

5 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

It's a fair point. Unreal how sensitive people are to it. The fact people feel the need to attack the poster for facts says more about the people responding than the original statement. 

 

I'm willing to give Dawson a pass due to the death of his brother being a major distraction that you can't expect someone to push aside. 

 

I've got a longer leash for him before i get on him, but you better believe the first 3 weeks couldn't be any worse. 

 

At his contract value he will need to produce, it's not a fan favorite type contract, it's a big producer contract.  $15 MM cap hit in the final 3 years good lord that structure is whack.

 

It has nothing to do with sensitivity.  When you're on a specific teams message board and the majority of the time you just complain about them, you're going to have push back.  

[UKBillFan]

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Has anyone ever considered that knox might have a lot on his mind?  He just lost his brother right before the season started. I’ll give him a bit of a pass for the slow start. 

 

I'm not sure if anyone is saying Knox is playing badly? More that he is being utilised differently.

[Old Coot]

He took a wicked lick in the Dolphins game.  The LB blind-sided him with a helmet to helmet hit.  I'm surprised the refs did not call a penalty.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

55 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'm not sure if anyone is saying Knox is playing badly? More that he is being utilised differently.

What you are saying is correct.

 

This is a Dorsey issue not a Knox issue.

 

Dorsey is running more of his miami offense where TE's are used more as blockers in the running game.

[MiltonWaddams]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

What you are saying is correct.

 

This is a Dorsey issue not a Knox issue.

 

Dorsey is running more of his miami offense where TE's are used more as blockers in the running game.

Dorsey threw to Hernandez in Miami! That guy was killing it on and off the field!

Edited September 29, 2022 by MiltonWaddams

[Mark Vader]

On 9/26/2022 at 8:48 AM, JayBaller10 said:

I didn’t understand the contract because Knox has never been a heavily involved focal point of the receiving game, yet he was paid like it. I’m sure they paid him on the potential to be a focal point, or a TE who could take over games, but I would’ve had to see it first, even if it would’ve raised his contract by a few dollars. Thought it was bad then and I still think it’s bad now and no, my thoughts have nothing to do with the loss.

I somewhat agree with you.

 

I'm glad that the Bills gave Knox the new contract, and I love his play.

 

That being said, our first game of the season against the Rams, and we're using Knox as an H-Back? 

 

We need to get this guy more involved. Did they not see how he played last year?

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Old Coot said:

He took a wicked lick in the Dolphins game.  The LB blind-sided him with a helmet to helmet hit.  I'm surprised the refs did not call a penalty.

 

As much as I think Wilkins is a dirty player, I will give him the benefit of the doubt as to his intent to deliver a helmet to helmet hit. However, it was a pretty vicious hit, with his helmet hitting Knox right in the face mask, and then driving Knox' upper body backwards over the other defender. I was actually surprised Knox held on to that ball. He's a tough kid.

 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

As much as I think Wilkins is a dirty player, I will give him the benefit of the doubt as to his intent to deliver a helmet to helmet hit. However, it was a pretty vicious hit, with his helmet hitting Knox right in the face mask, and then driving Knox' upper body backwards over the other defender. I was actually surprised Knox held on to that ball. He's a tough kid.

 

I’ve seen similar hits flagged for unnecessary roughness several times.  The refs gave us nothing on Sunday.  We lost to injuries, the weather, the stadium, the refs, Van Roten and a couple nice defensive stands

[billsfan1959]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ve seen similar hits flagged for unnecessary roughness several times.  The refs gave us nothing on Sunday.  We lost to injuries, the weather, the stadium, the refs, Van Roten and a couple nice defensive stands

 

Agree on all points. I won't say Wilkins intended the helmet to helmet; however, it definitely was and I've seen similar plays flagged. 

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am kind of surprised he’s not being used more I was envisioning a two titan set system this year so that we might be able to run the ball a little better while still having pass catchers on the field

John,

 

I think you may see more of the 21 personnel than the 12 or 22.  I can see Knox and Gilliam with motor more than Knox, Gilliam, cook and motor.  It’s also possible to see Knox, cook, and motor without Gilliam.

 

it’s a long year and this offense will continually evolve.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 9/26/2022 at 11:46 AM, gobills404 said:

To be fair to @Einstein, he complains about everything even when the Bills win so at least he’s consistent

ScottLaws soul mate 😝 

[Back2Buff]

4 for 4 for missing games in a season from injury.

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

4 for 4 for missing games in a season from injury.

 

Um? Not sure what you mean.   Give Knox a little bit of slack, he did just lose his brother.  He's played very well when called upon and his blocking has been good 

[Back2Buff]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Um? Not sure what you mean.   Give Knox a little bit of slack, he did just lose his brother.  He's played very well when called upon and his blocking has been good 

 

He's always been injury prone, which was another risk with the contract.  Looks like that hasn't changed.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

He's always been injury prone, which was another risk with the contract.  Looks like that hasn't changed.

Looks like you haven’t changed 

[boyst]

I don't think the first 4 games are a representation of the talent and skill he offers. I think Dorsey is still learning how to take full helm of the offense. As we begin to get things going we will begin to utilize the tight end position.

 

Dorsey has said he likes the 12 and 21 position.

 

we attempted to bring in OJ Howard or another TE for this reason. Dorsey wants TE's involved.

 

We can only guess there can be 2 reasons, maybe: 1) josh isn't using them 2) dorsey hasn't found a way to use them.

 

but the want to is there.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just in the Ravens game alone, he had a pretty big catch for 20 on that last drive that was clutch. Also had a huge catch to get down to the 1 and out of bounds before half to setup the McKenzie TD. Had a HUGE seal block to spring Shakir on that 12 yard run.

 

He does a lot of little things that dont show up on stat sheets but are crucial to us winning.

 

He's a problem for teams.

 

He'll get his eventually.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I don't think the first 4 games are a representation of the talent and skill he offers. I think Dorsey is still learning how to take full helm of the offense. As we begin to get things going we will begin to utilize the tight end position.

 

Dorsey has said he likes the 12 and 21 position.

 

we attempted to bring in OJ Howard or another TE for this reason. Dorsey wants TE's involved.

 

We can only guess there can be 2 reasons, maybe: 1) josh isn't using them 2) dorsey hasn't found a way to use them.

 

but the want to is there.

 

I agree that not having that 2nd TE threat is hampering what Dorsey wants to do, and the way he is using Knox. He had 2 TEs when he was playing in Miami, right? Shockey and Winslow?

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

He's always been injury prone, which was another risk with the contract.  Looks like that hasn't changed.

I don’t get it are we going to act like he hasn’t been catching passes

[Rc2catch]

Look out Moss, Edmunds, Knox is back on the TBD whipping boy LIST.

[Buffalo Junction]

9 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I don't think the first 4 games are a representation of the talent and skill he offers. I think Dorsey is still learning how to take full helm of the offense. As we begin to get things going we will begin to utilize the tight end position.

 

Dorsey has said he likes the 12 and 21 position.

 

we attempted to bring in OJ Howard or another TE for this reason. Dorsey wants TE's involved.

 

We can only guess there can be 2 reasons, maybe: 1) josh isn't using them 2) dorsey hasn't found a way to use them.

 

but the want to is there.

I think a lot of people reset their bar for Dorsey to Daboll heights after the first two games. Fact of the matter is the Rams and Titans had little to no game tape on Dorsey’s offense and tendencies, and coupled with being new to playcalling in the nfl Dorsey is going to take a little more time to adjust fully. This has certainly been compounded by all the injuries; Gabe, Kumerow, Knox, Morse, Morse’s backups, Bates, Brown, etc. I was fully expecting it to take Dorsey and Allen till the bye week to start really getting a hang of how to utilize all the weapons on a consistent play by play basis. 

[muppy]

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Edited October 7, 2022 by muppy

[Airseven]

Very disappointing start to the season for Knox. Also, it’s wild the Bills still don’t have any other TEs.

[thenorthremembers]

I know we were all expecting more out of Dawson after he signed the contract, but while disappointing he is on track for his career high in receptions.   He is also on pace for around his career season average in yards.

 

I think its possible that expectations were way too high for the guy going into the season.   At the end of last season he was around the 15th best Tight End in terms of receptions and receiving yards.   Through the first four games of this year, he is right around the same place.   What we fail to factor in at times is his blocking ability.  He isnt a tight end that you constantly have to split wide, he plays on the line as well.  I think this factored into his resigning.

 

Probably just need to stop waiting for the guy to be Kelce or Mark Andrews, he is just not that level of tight end.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Probably just need to stop waiting for the guy to be Kelce or Mark Andrews, he is just not that level of tight end.  

 

Maybe he could be, but the bigger difference is both of those guys are their teams #1 target. For the Bills, Knox is like #3 or #4. Only so many balls to go around, and our offense runs through Diggs and the WRs.

[Bills2022]

We overpaid for Knox, but that said, he is there to produce in the playoffs. He will be judged by how he performs in the big games late in the year, just like all our big $ guys.  This team knows it is going to the playoffs.  This is a Super Bowl or bust team. Teams will try to shut down Diggs in the playoffs. Just like KC did last year.  Guys like Knox and Davis will have to fill that void.

 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Maybe he could be, but the bigger difference is both of those guys are their teams #1 target. For the Bills, Knox is like #3 or #4. Only so many balls to go around, and our offense runs through Diggs and the WRs.

Exactly. Just like no team gets huge production from a RB unless they give it to him 25/30 times a game. 

[TheBrownBear]

Reminder - this contract is for 4 years, not 4 games.  Maybe we should pump the brakes on drawing any conclusions about whether it was a good signing or not.

[frostbitmic]

Knox just needs to find the end zone and I think he'll get there this week and next week vs the Chefs.

 

A TD or two and everyone will be saying how much like Kelce he is.

 

On those plays we have inside the 5 yard line, I'd rather have Josh throwing it to Knox than handing it off, from shotgun, to any of our RB's and running it up the gut for -1 yard

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

We overpaid for Knox

 

 

Serious question. Compared to what? He's the #22 paid TE next year. And barely on the list this year.\

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/tight-end/

[PayDaBill$]

Think we $ too much. 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Maybe he could be, but the bigger difference is both of those guys are their teams #1 target. For the Bills, Knox is like #3 or #4. Only so many balls to go around, and our offense runs through Diggs and the WRs.

 

Well said.  Fans getting all over Knox is a bit foolish but it's the way of the world anymore.

 

The offense in general is nowhere solidified yet.  Bills got a new OC and has had a banged-up OL/WR core.

Bills have some issues in the run game to boot.

Knox himself is bang-up and has had a pretty rough summer with his family.

 

I'm not criticizing OC Dorsey, but he's still got a lot to do and learn.  I don't think enough Bills fans can appreciate what Dorsey

is going through.  We all need to give this thing some more time. 

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Serious question. Compared to what? He's the #22 paid TE next year. And barely on the list this year.\

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/tight-end/

 

Well said again.  He doesn't start getting big money until 2024.  Funny thing is after that they can get out of the contract

pretty cheap.  Hmmm, maybe Brandon Beane knows what he's doing when it comes to what Knox will or won't be doing by them.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Think we $ too much. 

 

We arent paying anything right now. New deal was an extension that doesnt even kick in for another year. He is making a base $965k this year.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[Bills2022]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Serious question. Compared to what? He's the #22 paid TE next year. And barely on the list this year.\

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/tight-end/

 

He has $20M guaranteed and is scheduled to make $11M in 2025.  Highly paid TE's usually produce more than 28 yards per game with 0 TD's.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Bills2022 said:

 

He has $20M guaranteed and is scheduled to make $11M in 2025.  Highly paid TE's usually produce more than 28 yards per game with 0 TD's.  

 

$11M in 2025 will be bottom of the list. He isnt highly paid.

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

$11M in 2025 will be bottom of the list. He isnt highly paid.

 

No it won't.  You do realize his contract averages $13M per year.  He is guaranteed a total of $31M of the total contract of $52M.  He is averaging 27 yards per game with zero TD's and his quarterback is a Top 3 QB by anyone's standards.  He is not earning his money.  That said, he will be judged by his performance in big games anyway, not garbage TD's and yards in blowout wins.  He needs to produce when the playoffs arrive.  

 

[SirAndrew]

Knox has done everything asked of him this season. I used to doubt him, but I’ve grown to love his potential. I don’t understand why we can’t incorporate him into being a regular part of this offense. I’m jealous when I see how guys like Kelce and Kittle are used. Knox isn’t at that level, but I’d like to see him integrated into our game plan in a similar manner. We need to see if he can carry that load. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

No it won't.  You do realize his contract averages $13M per year.  He is guaranteed a total of $31M of the total contract of $52M.  He is averaging 27 yards per game with zero TD's and his quarterback is a Top 3 QB by anyone's standards.  He is not earning his money.  That said, he will be judged by his performance in big games anyway, not garbage TD's and yards in blowout wins.  He needs to produce when the playoffs arrive.  

 

 

Did you read my earlier post?  Is it Knox calling the plays?  Can you give the Bills new OC some time to gameplan him properly?

Can you give the new OC some extra time due to his "bigger fish to fry" concerns with a banged-up OL/WRs?

Can you give the new OC some credit for introducing a RB pass catching scheme to work up?

 

I'm so glad I still can see your posts.  You do amuse me.

[Warriorspikes51]

21 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Knox has done everything asked of him this season. I used to doubt him, but I’ve grown to love his potential. I don’t understand why we can’t incorporate him into being a regular part of this offense. I’m jealous when I see how guys like Kelce and Kittle are used. Knox isn’t at that level, but I’d like to see him integrated into our game plan in a similar manner. We need to see if he can carry that load. 

 

It's "possible" we're saving specific offensive looks for KC.  Like spreading Knox out wide

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Very disappointing start to the season for Knox. Also, it’s wild the Bills still don’t have any other TEs.

He’s been blocking just fine, which is mainly how they’ve used him so far.  
 

I actually really like Morris.  Think we may have something there.  
 

Sweeney still being here is obviously, whatever. 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

It’s too bad that when the team is doing well we can’t stop ourselves from dragging on valuable players because they don’t fill up the box score.