YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 He didn't appear to be fooled in either of last year's two playoff games. 6 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? 12 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 If he does get fooled he has so many ways to either buy time for someone to get open or he can just skiddaddle out and figure it out later. Plus if it takes a little longer for him to process something he makes up for it by throwing a fastball past the defenders. Him and Mahomes do it better than anyone with their ability to buy time and keep things moving downfield imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? NFL Writer for The Ringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Personally, I'll wait to hear what Rosie Ruiz has to say. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Lol. No. This is lazy analysis in an attempt to retcon a freezing cold take from somewhere around April 2018. Many such cases. 7 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? Probably the same guy that suggested we trade Jordan Poyer before the season starts... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? I think he's Antonio Browns ex chef, cooking up some prime Bullsheet: https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/antonio-browns-ex-chef-steven-ruiz-will-sue-wr-amid-suspension/ 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: NFL Writer for The Ringer I meant what makes him a QB whisperer? Was he ever successful as a NFL QB? Or played the position successfully in any capacity? I know it’s his opinion, but I’m tired of people spewing misinformation just for clicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: I meant what makes him a QB whisperer? Was he ever successful as a NFL QB? Or played the position successfully in any capacity? I know it’s his opinion, but I’m tired of people spewing misinformation just for clicks He has him as a top 5 QB so thinks he’s really good but just wondering about that specific comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 The only criticism I have of Allen's game is his deep ball accuracy. He is much improved but he still has a tendency to overthrow open guys. I don't recall many passes that were too far inside or outside. I also don't recall thinking once last year that Allen was fooled on any play. He had some poor throws as all QBs do. But as far as being fooled by coverage I don't see it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 19 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: The only criticism I have of Allen's game is his deep ball accuracy. He is much improved but he still has a tendency to overthrow open guys. I don't recall many passes that were too far inside or outside. I also don't recall thinking once last year that Allen was fooled on any play. He had some poor throws as all QBs do. But as far as being fooled by coverage I don't see it. didn’t Allen have the best or one of the best deep balls last season? Swore I read that somewhere 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 I have to think bellichick would be the best barometer of this. He has been fooling young QB’s for decades, and yet Allen surgically obliterated that D twice last year. 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Seems to be a non-issue, meaning isn't that what all defenses try to do, disguise what the coverage is? The Bills are supposedly very good with this as Belichick has exclaimed. Even Brady could be fooled. It takes years for QBs to figure out what the D is doing, and O-coordinators set up pre-snap movement to try and help their QB decipher the coverage. I'm sure Allen would say he's constantly learning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: didn’t Allen have the best or one of the best deep balls last season? Swore I read that somewhere He did but there are definitely times I remember that he overthrew guys in the end zone 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He did but there are definitely times I remember that he overthrew guys in the end zone Sure but they all do 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) I mean maybe he's pointing to the Jacksonville game? But the team as a whole didn't perform well that day. I'd say all QBs get fooled now and then. But I wouldn't say "routinely" for Josh, not based on watching him his entire career and seeing the steady improvements in his game. Also, go watch that half hour chat he had with Chris Simms last week. Lot of great insight on how the dude thinks and sees things out there. Sounds way too informed and intelligent to be a guy who's "routinely" tricked by disguised coverages. Also, I heard Steven Ruiz talking about Josh's mama, therefore the dude is a bum. Edited September 6, 2022 by blacklabel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He has him as a top 5 QB so thinks he’s really good but just wondering about that specific comment I almost posted this on the board and my summation of the writeup was similar to the air raid tweet. Ruiz has been BRUTAL to allen all the way up into the middle of last year. He has fought his ascension tooth and nail as a writer on that site and this write up reads as though its making him ill to even have to put him at 5.... i got the same feel from it as the dude that made the tweet. and ruiz' pre-snap thoughts go against everything thats been coming out of camp.... both fowler and giardi, in the last 2 weeks, have reported that everyone inside the building claims allen is now at his best making checks at the line and completely owning the offense. Edited September 6, 2022 by Stank_Nasty 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Where the hell is Mac Jones??? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before I'm not the guru either, but here's my take. I think all QBs are fooled. I think the real question is how often does a QB get fooled, relative to other QBs, right? I think both IQ and experience matters. I think one's willingness to study, review tape and continue learning, matters, right? Josh has a strong IQ, I don't think there is any denying that. It sure seems to me that Josh is spending a lot of time learning, getting smarter and perfecting his skillset. What Josh lacks, compared to some of the QBs is obviously experience. I can't argue that Josh is anywhere near where Brady and Rogers are, contrasting their experience. Comparing Josh's experience factor to his class of QBs, I don't think Josh is deficient. Rather, I'd argue that he is exceeding the experience level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: NFL Writer for The Ringer theStevenRuiz… sounds like a Mahomes fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before The ol’ okie doke gets him every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I don't recall Carr's noggin being that friggin' huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? Never heard of him, is he a beat reporter for the tiger cats…? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 No. See TD to Davis in Chiefs game where he lobbed it off his back foot knowing it was man to man outside leverage and no safety and similar TD to Diggs at Miami iirc. He doesn't get routinely fooled presnap at all. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: Personally, I'll wait to hear what Rosie Ruiz has to say. I heard she cuts corners in her analysis..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2022 Author Share Posted September 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, blacklabel said: I mean maybe he's pointing to the Jacksonville game? But the team as a whole didn't perform well that day. I'd say all QBs get fooled now and then. But I wouldn't say "routinely" for Josh, not based on watching him his entire career and seeing the steady improvements in his game. Also, go watch that half hour chat he had with Chris Simms last week. Lot of great insight on how the dude thinks and sees things out there. Sounds way too informed and intelligent to be a guy who's "routinely" tricked by disguised coverages. Also, I heard Steven Ruiz talking about Josh's mama, therefore the dude is a bum. Yeah I think it was that word “routinely” that got me. He seems to think he only wins because he’s big and strong. Allen is very intelligent, people often dismiss that. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 I mean he isn’t a machine, every QB can have spotty accuracy and be fooled pre-snap. Overall yes, I’d say another lazy hot take. I’ve heard football guys rave about Allen’s football and presnap IQ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: Where the hell is Mac Jones??? Most of Mac Jones’ deep balls are still floating somewhere. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, FLFan said: Most of Mac Jones’ deep balls are still floating somewhere. Why don’t we call him McCorkle as his mother intended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Sorry, I'm not going to trust a guy who has Geno Smith ranked as the #22 QB in the NFL, or Trevor Lawrence at 14. Hell, even saying Herbert is number 3 is pretty crazy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? That was my question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz?? He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft. Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley 7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB) GRADE: F Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback. This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor. 10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK) GRADE: A+ Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake. Edited September 6, 2022 by Albany,n.y. 1 1 1 19 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Surprised he didnt say something about his accuracy... 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) Yolo. there are some stories that should be left alone this is one that I won’t click on. Ask yourself this — If Josh was confused, how the hell can he have back to back perfect playoff games AGAINST 2 defensive gurus Edited September 6, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft. Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley 7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB) GRADE: F Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback. This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor. 10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK) GRADE: A+ Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake. Well...that pretty much says it all, doesn't it? LOL 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before It actually reads like something that was written about Allen in 2019. Compare and contrast with what he writes about Justin Herbert whom he ranks #3. I guarantee that Herbert is fooled by pre snap coverages at times and is being over-sold as a "Football throwing robot designed to destroy NFL defenses". "At times" vs "routinely"? What's in the definition of a word? 5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft. Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley 7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB) GRADE: F Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback. This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor. 10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK) GRADE: A+ Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake. Do you have twitter? Someone who does please post this in response to the Air Raid guys, they'll love it. Edited September 6, 2022 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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