mrags Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: I dunno 3rd rounder is pretty steep for a guy with Allen's accuracy issues. Yeah. Hadn’t thought about that. I guess a 5th rounder that could turn into a 4th if he gets his accuracy numbers up a bunch. the other issue is his contract. Nobody is gonna want to take that over. 2 minutes ago, stevewin said: I think Beane would trade Howard in a heartbeat if he found a partner Idk. He offers something that none of the other TEs offer. Sheer size to start. There isn’t another one on the roster that has his end zone capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: Tremaine Edmunds... I'll see my way out now Now that they traded Ford...see the 3rd down hands to the face penalty on Saturday, my guess is Edmunds by the trade deadline. He almost killed Milano by looking like a lost redshirt freshman. That was a major bad move....in pre season no less. 13 Mil. for that kind of play? I'm thinking get a pick now because there's no way in hell he deserves a 2nd contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I'll throw out Howard. As was mentioned in an article, he didn't start, it was Sweeney, Morris, and Gilliam to start the game on the 1st and believe into the 2nd drive. Then Howard came in and played late into the game so wasn't like Von Miller deal in that we don't need to see what he can do. His contract is such that not worth cutting him. Suppose Epinesa, Lewis or McCloud wouldn't be bad names either, but would want at least a 4th for Epinesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Secondary is loaded. It's either Tre starting the yr on PUP/IR, or we likely are moving someone. Thomas, McCloud or Lewis to Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 OJ Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Some guy on the slippery fence... ah ah.... Taiwan de Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, StHustle said: Crowder Duke Johnson Blackshear would be all guys teams would give up a pick for imo Yes, Crowder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Is Tommy Sweeney this year's Duke Williams? I don't understand the obsession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: Is Tommy Sweeney this year's Duke Williams? I don't understand the obsession? High-motor Lunch-pailer beloved by Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I thought about Moss, but with Motor being a FA after this year, Cook being the 3rd down back, and the lack of cap savings… I don’t see a real benefit in trading Moss unless they were going to get a 4th or 5th rounder. If I had to pick, I would say Cam Lewis or AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, Logic said: Josh Allen. Keenum looked really good on Saturday. Now's the time to sell high on #17. Just ask that guy that called into WGR after the game. Screen name checks out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 49 minutes ago, Process said: I don't care that Moss scored some meaningless preseason touchdowns. He is nothing special and can easily be replaced by an undrafted free agent. If the Bills could somehow get a 4th or 5th round pick it's a no brainer. If he’s “nothing special” and can be replaced by an UDFA, why the hell would someone give up a 4th or 5th for him? 🙄 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 The most likely is Cam Lewis in my opinion. He has been with the team, has actual good live reps in games. Bills are now showing positional versatility by putting him at Safety. Johnson and Neal are blocking him here. I think the Bills could fetch a 6th. After that it’s really AJ Epenesa, OJ Howard, and Jamison Crowder but I’m not sure any of the 3 get moved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, mrags said: Yeah. Hadn’t thought about that. I guess a 5th rounder that could turn into a 4th if he gets his accuracy numbers up a bunch. This is a pretty high hurdle for Allen. It's almost impossible to fix accuracy. Allen has a better chance of hurdling over Anthony Barr and we all know that's never gonna happen. 24 minutes ago, mrags said: the other issue is his contract. Nobody is gonna want to take that over. Idk. He offers something that none of the other TEs offer. Sheer size to start. There isn’t another one on the roster that has his end zone capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I think based on Aaron Rodgers’ assessment of his WRs, we could get a 2nd round pick from the Packets for Jake Kumerow. Get it done Beane! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Kumerow to Packers for a pick Howard and Crowder are also possible trade candidates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Logic said: Josh Allen. Keenum looked really good on Saturday. Now's the time to sell high on #17. Just ask that guy that called into WGR after the game. I laughed so hard listening to that WGR broadcast that I spit out the beer I was drinking. The caller was totally serious. "Casey Kasem (yep, he confused our 2nd string QB with the disc jockey lol) looked amazing, 16-18 for 190+ yards...We could get a boatload of #1 draft choices for Josh Allen. What do you say?" Nate Geary's reaction was also classic: "I'd say you're crazy" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'll throw out Howard. As was mentioned in an article, he didn't start, it was Sweeney, Morris, and Gilliam to start the game on the 1st and believe into the 2nd drive. Then Howard came in and played late into the game so wasn't like Von Miller deal in that we don't need to see what he can do. His contract is such that not worth cutting him. Suppose Epinesa, Lewis or McCloud wouldn't be bad names either, but would want at least a 4th for Epinesa Agreed. Howard doesn’t seem to have risen in the depth chart. Cutting him would hurt a lot on the cap. The Giants TE group sucks. Call Dabs and make a deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Some guy on the slippery fence... ah ah.... Taiwan de Jones If that useless scrub could even earn us a bag of footballs and a case of Yoo-hoo, and we don’t do it, I’m going to lose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Unless they are NOT making the team, I’m not trading Moss, Howard, Crowder or Kumerow. The Bills don’t need more draft picks. IMO, unless they are getting a solid depth player which is an upgrade to the current roster or a proven starter I’m good. Now if Beane can get some picks for players not making the roster so be it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, Georgie said: Wonder if they tried to trade Haack ? How about Shaq Lawson as a trade candidate? OJ Howard? Punter trades, that's a good one. Punters don't have trade value and Haack had even less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I’m saying Shaq. The D line is stacked, and he got a suspiciously high number of snaps vs. Denver. Could be they were marketing him for sale. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Crowder Duke Johnson Blackshear would be all guys teams would give up a pick for imo Read article the other day, stated how game started off with Digg,s Davis and McKenzie. As soon as Diggs left he game Crowder took his spot and McKenzie moved outside and Crowder in slot. Sounds like Crowder is their total #4 WR, so doubtful they'd let him go. 5 minutes ago, BisonMan said: Agreed. Howard doesn’t seem to have risen in the depth chart. Cutting him would hurt a lot on the cap. The Giants TE group sucks. Call Dabs and make a deal! May have a little more leverage here as Howard is likely a guy they either trade or keep as too costly to cut, so other teams can't take position of, we'll just wait til they cut him, then get him for nothing. So does give a bit of advantage where a guy like Haack, 31 other teams knew was being cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Logic said: Josh Allen. Keenum looked really good on Saturday. Now's the time to sell high on #17. Just ask that guy that called into WGR after the game. honestly, id probably try to cash in on Keenum. Always a QB desperate team out there that will throw a nice pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Just now, skibum said: I’m saying Shaq. The D line is stacked, and he got a suspiciously high number of snaps vs. Denver. Could be they were marketing him for sale. Was just going to say this. Shaq is the 5th DE in my reckoning and if they think that there isn't much between him and Mike Love (Beach Boy), then it's not a bad move. Shaq (after the trade) is dirt cheap at $900k. If there are needed DE teams, I think it could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Gene Frenkle said: It's an interesting thought experiment - what could the Bills get for Josh Allen? 😂 A lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Poyer if they could get a 1st. Seattle gave the Jets 2x 1sts for Jamal Adams!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'll throw out Howard. As was mentioned in an article, he didn't start, it was Sweeney, Morris, and Gilliam to start the game on the 1st and believe into the 2nd drive. Then Howard came in and played late into the game so wasn't like Von Miller deal in that we don't need to see what he can do. His contract is such that not worth cutting him. Suppose Epinesa, Lewis or McCloud wouldn't be bad names either, but would want at least a 4th for Epinesa They did say Morris was faster than most of the receivers. I'm not that impressed with Howard, and I've held out hope for Sweeney. I think it's too soon to pull the trigger on O.J. but I'd like to keep Morris. He'll get poached from the P.S. 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Poyer if they could get a 1st. Seattle gave the Jets 2x 1sts for Jamal Adams!! Adams was a no.5 pick and lived up to the billing. We should pay Poyer....with nothing more than a big signing bonus. A 2 yr. deal would be ok, but he ain't Derwin James. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 In all of the “trade Moss” suggestions here nobody has mentioned how his pass protection is the best out of the RB room. For that reason alone I think he’s a lock. Trade Duke if you can get anything for him. Blackshear, try and get him on the PS if you can (unless they carry four RB’s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Was just going to say this. Shaq is the 5th DE in my reckoning and if they think that there isn't much between him and Mike Love (Beach Boy), then it's not a bad move. Shaq (after the trade) is dirt cheap at $900k. If there are needed DE teams, I think it could happen. I agree, Love is a penetrator. Shaq is not. I had high hopes thinking he would play like his hair's on fire, but the end results just don't seem to be there.....plus how many DL can we roll with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Logic said: I respectfully disagree that they've been showcasing Moss for a trade. If you want to trade him, you give him a bunch of carries in the second half of games. You don't mix him in with the 1st and 2nd units in camp and preseason, and you don't give him repeated goal line carries. Further, Moss offers power and short yardage/goal line ability that no one else on the roster has. Blacksheer and Johnson are both more similar to Singletary and Cook. No one else has what Moss has, unless they want to make Gilliam the full time short yardage back. All signs point to Singletary, Moss, Cook and Jones being the RB foursome that the Bills roll with this year. Actually, that's exactly what you would do. If anyone is going to offer Beane anything worth him considering they will want to see that Moss can run with the starters. Beane won't care about getting a 6th or 7th for Moss, he would likely keep him during a SB run for that cheap. But a 5th I think gets him at least thinking about it, but a 4th would probably do the trick. But to get anyone to offer a 4th, or even a 5th, they need to see something good from him after last year. Also, Devin with his low center of gravity, better vision, better explosion into the hole has been the better short yardage back than Moss so far. People forget how much power Devin runs with; he frequently carries the pile forward. And don't forget about Josh in those situations too. Getting back to Moss, I am not saying he is for sure trying to get offers on Moss, but I mentioned this after the first preseason game as a possibility. It's what they did do with Sammy too and some others before. But make no mistake about it, Devin is the feature runner this year. So, if they feel Cook can also spell Devin in the run game and not just be a pass catching specialist, then that will open the door for a Moss trade if they get an offer they like. Also, the only significant buzz of boost of confidence in Moss of relevance I saw was also Beane talking him up. Again, something a GM would do to get people to make inquiries. Everyone in the league knows we have Devin and drafted Cook. If an injury happens or they are looking for some help at RB, Bills are a team likely to get a call with 3 guys that can play a significant role in an offense. I definitely don't think Beane is interested in cutting him or giving him away cheap...so it would take a reasonable offer, probably a fourth if I had to guess before Beane got serious about trading him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzonzo Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: I think Moss has value in a trade, but I really don't want to part with him. He's the one RB who can really play the physical punisher role in short yardage, and he's underrated as a pass catcher by fans. I'd love it if they could get something, anything for OJ Howard. Same goes with Duke Johnson. he was one of the best RB in the NFL in pass pro too in 2020 or 2021.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gonzonzo said: he was one of the best RB in the NFL in pass pro too in 2020 or 2021.... I don't understand why they gave Gilliam a new deal. Moss is better. Is it a ST thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, nosejob said: They did say Morris was faster than most of the receivers. I'm not that impressed with Howard, and I've held out hope for Sweeney. I think it's too soon to pull the trigger on O.J. but I'd like to keep Morris. He'll get poached from the P.S. Adams was a no.5 pick and lived up to the billing. We should pay Poyer....with nothing more than a big signing bonus. A 2 yr. deal would be ok, but he ain't Derwin James. Right, he's not those guys that's why we would only get 1 first round pick rather than 2. He's an ALL-PRO and he wants a big money deal. You can't afford to pay everyone and we have great depth at safety. It would be a shocker but if they know they can't sign him after this year then it's worth it to get something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Poyer if they could get a 1st. Seattle gave the Jets 2x 1sts for Jamal Adams!! That was a crazy trade for Adams. I think Adams is a great player and was happy to see him leave the AFC East but they gave up a lot for him and that contract they gave him was wild. He has been hurt alot also. Edited August 22, 2022 by wppete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Crowder. Shakir is too good to keep off the field. Crowder is 5th WR at best. Crowder would probably start on a lot of teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nosejob said: I don't understand why they gave Gilliam a new deal. Moss is better. Is it a ST thing? They play different positions. Gilliam is a fullback (blocking back) who also plays tight end. Moss is a running back (halfback). Gilliam is 3 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than Moss. Edited August 22, 2022 by msw2112 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: Right, he's not those guys that's why we would only get 1 first round pick rather than 2. He's an ALL-PRO and he wants a big money deal. You can't afford to pay everyone and we have great depth at safety. It would be a shocker but if they know they can't sign him after this year then it's worth it to get something There's no way in Hell they get a decent pick for him. Teams will wait for him to walk. 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: Crowder. Shakir is too good to keep off the field. Crowder is 5th WR at best. Crowder would probably start on a lot of teams. Washington or Carolina for a 4th....conditional 3rd. Either could use him especially Baker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: I think Moss has value in a trade, but I really don't want to part with him. He's the one RB who can really play the physical punisher role in short yardage, and he's underrated as a pass catcher by fans. I'd love it if they could get something, anything for OJ Howard. Same goes with Duke Johnson. You hot that right! He punished us all last season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Trying to win a Super Bowl and some people want to trade starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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