Postgame thread:Bills 27 - Colts 24

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, NickelCity said:

Rush to judgment:

 

Winner: Shakir, hodgins, araiza, the rookie cb tandem 

 

Losers: keenum, kumerow (by virtue of hodgins' performance) 

 

Who am I missing?

 

 

 

Winner:  The Duke at KR, Blackshear, Beach Boy, Barkley

Loser:  Tanner Gentry, Crowder

 

[NickelCity]

Can anyone project kumerow vs hodgins in terms of special teams contributions? Kumerow is a known quantity, but I have no idea what hodgins has been up to in camp wrt teams

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Araiza wearing the Scarface T, "Say hello to my li'l' frien'" <pats his left leg>

 

[clayboy54]

9 minutes ago, Freddie&#x27;s Dead said:

 

Winner:  The Duke at KR, Blackshear, Beach Boy, Barkley

Loser:  Tanner Gentry, Crowder

 

You’re getting just as bad as Astro with all the cute names. Who the heck is Beach Boy?

[Freddie's Dead]

1 minute ago, clayboy54 said:

You’re getting just as bad as Astro with all the cute names. Who the heck is Beach Boy?

 

Mike Love, look it up.

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Can anyone project kumerow vs hodgins in terms of special teams contributions? Kumerow is a known quantity, but I have no idea what hodgins has been up to in camp wrt teams

 

Hodgins keeps playing well I'll be pissed if he is cut in favor of Kumerow.  Find someone to take his spot on ST or just have punt god kick that ***** a mile high so there is no return chance.  TD Jesus was a great story after that first quick TD catch from Allen but hasn't done ***** since.  ST is important but IMO doesnt override having good talent in WRs.

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Freddie&#x27;s Dead said:

 

Mike Love, look it up.

This is all I got. 

 

https://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/11/07/the-beach-boys-headline-halftime-in-toronto/

 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

I didn't get to watch the game. How did James Cook and Duke Johnson look? Judging from the box score, not so good.

The Duke was awesome as a KR, had two nice returns, one called back by penalty.  As an RB, not so much.  Cook looked great catching passes out the backfield.  As an RB, not so much.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

Tasker either misspoke or he’s an idiot. The play they scored was on a RB wheel to the right side of the offensive formation. Elam was lined up on the left side and clearly got picked because he was in man coverage. He was on the crosser. It was either on the CB on the other side or one of the LBs

 

Yeah, and the pick had nothing to do with why the RB was left wide open.

 

I watched it back a few times. The Bills were in 4-3, Cover 1 with a single high safety, playing man to man with a MIC blitz by Spector.

 

There were 2 wide outs to the left of the formation covered by the two cbs. There were 2 TEs to the right of the formation, and a single RB to the qbs right. 

 

Andre Smith was playing LB to the 2 TE side, McCloud (presumably the second safety) was down in the box covering the outside...

 

As soon as the first TE runs a drag, Smith jumped his route, which looks like it was supposed to be covered by Bernard. This left the second TE free to run vertically up the field. McCloud had to cover him or else it's a free route straight to the end zone... But bc there was no one left to cover the back on the wheel, same result...

 

Smith should have left the drag to Bernard, covered the TE vertically up the field, and McCloud would have covered the wheel route. But Smith and Bernard end up covering the same TE, and there's no one left to cover the RB. 

 

Imo, Andre Smith is at fault. And wouldn't be the first bone headed play of his. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Motorin'

[Freddie's Dead]

44 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Whoever 55 is for us reminds me of a young Hughes. Runs wild, over pursues, doesn't get himseld into a winning outcome despite "being in the backfield" and "making pressure."

 

Boogie Basham is now wearing 55.  When saw the strip sack, I said "Nice play Jerry!!"  Oops...

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, Freddie&#x27;s Dead said:

The Duke was awesome as a KR, had two nice returns, one called back by penalty.  As an RB, not so much.  Cook looked great catching passes out the backfield.  As an RB, not so much.

 

I was actually surprised.  I expected to see Cook get some more work than he did.  He didnt seem to get all that much playtime.

[wjag]

Trending up:

 

Bills rush defense 

Benford

Blackshear

Shakir

Hodgkins

Moss

Settle

Bashum

 

Trending down:

Crowder

Keenum

Haack

Howard

Kumerow

 

I was pretty happy how the Bills twos played against the Indy ones.  

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Have to wonder about Keenum.  Barkley was completely comfortable and just ran things.   I looked like Allen was in the game.  Keenum seemed tentative and didn't know where to go with the ball.  Of course, he had the Colts first team defense to deal with, so it's hard to say.  

 

I think Keenum probably is still thinking about the offense - OK, what does this play call mean in the context of this D which is lined up against me? 

 

The biggest reservation I had about Keenum as a backup QB is that AFAIK he's strictly been a WCO/Coryell guy his entire career.  The plays that get called in each system of a modern NFL offense are more or less the same, but the Erhardt-Perkins terminology is completely different.  Structured differently.

 

It's like Case Keenum has been an Italian speaker all his life, and this isn't even Spanish or French, he's being asked to understand and interpret Norwegian.  Yes, he's been doing it every day against the Bills offense, but figuring it out against an opposing defense where he has to decode the play call verbiage and map it onto what he sees in front of him is different again.

 

It's fundamentally akin to the old saw that in a camp battle between a rookie and an incumbant veteran, the veteran will always win, because he's so much more familiar with the offense but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the better player.

 

Hopefully Keenum will "Get It" sooner rather than later.  I'm pretty sure that's the reason McD gave him 3Q.  I'm also pretty sure that Keenum is enough of a professional that he'll see he has to level up his game.

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Beck Water

[ChicagoRic]

Blackshear for PS for sure.  Made some nice runs and pass receptions and looked smooth doing it.  Not a jitterbug by any means, but he seems to know when to time his cuts. 

 

I thought he was done for the game after the injury but when the camera caught him on the sidelines you could just see how badly he wanted to be out there, ankle or not.  Although he did not touch the ball once he came back in, he willed himself to there and the coaching staff rewarded that force of will. 

 

That's the kind of attitude and player I want to see on the PS. 

 

He's not Singletary or Moss or Cook.  He's not this years Duke Williams.  He may never see a snap in a regular season NFL game for the Bills or any other team, but it sure as ***** won't be because he quit on himself. Dude wants it, and that kind of attitude is great for team culture. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

This felt expected given some of the hype around him at camp. I was really surprised at how well Hodgins performed.  If he could play special teams he would have definitely have a shot at pushing out Kumerow.

Hodgins was absolutely playing special teams today. The one Colts kick return that had some success (going right to left) towards the near sideline was a cut inside Hodgins (who technically kept contain on the play, so I'm wondering if the 2nd layer pursuit was the issue). I don't know if he plays punt teams, though. Probably just kickoffs. Maybe someone else knows for sure?

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, Beerball said:

👍 I don't see the need to carry two vets like Keenum and Barkley. Cut one and pick up a young castoff who you think has potential.  If you're down to your third string QB you're screwed anyway so you may as well go with a youngster.

Easy.  One is the back up.  The other is Josh’s good friend. 

[Dr Krentist]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The Duke was awesome as a KR, had two nice returns, one called back by penalty.  As an RB, not so much.  Cook looked great catching passes out the backfield.  As an RB, not so much.

 

I was disappointed he didn't see the hole in when they were in the Red Zone. If he cuts to the right, that's a possible TD. Hopefully his vision gets better.

Edited August 14, 2022 by Dr Krentist
Added sentence

[JerseyBills]

Surprised nobody mentioned Zack Moss. Looked really good imo

[No_Matter_What]

I'm surprised by the number of Keenum sucks overreactions.

 

He had a bad game for sure. But he has accomplished so much more in NFL than Matt Barkley that its not even a comparison. Saying that Barkley deserves to be QB2 after one preseason game (where Barkley played against lesser players) is weird to say the least.

[SWATeam]

6 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I'm surprised by the number of Keenum sucks overreactions.

 

He had a bad game for sure. But he has accomplished so much more in NFL than Matt Barkley that its not even a comparison. Saying that Barkley deserves to be QB2 after one preseason game (where Barkley played against lesser players) is weird to say the least.

Especially considering Barkley has been in the system and this is all new to Keenum.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Beside the pick play, in which Tasker made it out to seem Elam was responsible for the blown coverage, what other plays was Elam late on or out of position?

 

Don’t give it another thought. That’s just Shaw being Shaw.. 🤦‍♂️

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Hodgins keeps playing well I'll be pissed if he is cut in favor of Kumerow.  Find someone to take his spot on ST or just have punt god kick that ***** a mile high so there is no return chance.  TD Jesus was a great story after that first quick TD catch from Allen but hasn't done ***** since.  ST is important but IMO doesnt override having good talent in WRs.

Agreed. If crybaby Aaron R wants him back with the Pack, tell him to throw a temper tantrum with the GB FO and demand a trade. I’d accept a 6th rounder.. 

[TheWeatherMan]

8 hours ago, RangerDave said:

We won today without JA, didn't we?

Sigh…I didn’t think it was needed, but I guess I’ll state it anyways.  I’m referring to the regular season where we are playing the #1s.  Of course we don’t need JA to win pre season games. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 

[wjag]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

I'm surprised by the number of Keenum sucks overreactions.

 

I’m willing to hold judgment. Although I was having a Jacksonville deny vu moment watching the game unfold while he was in there.  If it could go wrong, it was.  Watching the Colts jailbreaking our patchwork OLine certainly was not comforting.  

[BobbyC81]

11 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Encouraging that Bills’ backups hung with Indy’s 1st team O.

 

Elam and Bedford showed well for most part.

 

For all the talk of more multiple TE sets, none that played today were impressive.

 

I know that most of the OL players that will be here didn’t play, but those that did were over-matched most of the game.  

Keenum tried to hit the TEs early but his throws were too high.

[TBBills]

Told you guys Keenum was no good.

[RangerDave]

49 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Sigh…I didn’t think it was needed, but I guess I’ll state it anyways.  I’m referring to the regular season where we are playing the #1s.  Of course we don’t need JA to win pre season games. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 

I anticipated this response and started addressing it in my initial post, but then I thought better of it.  Just as our offense was not playing against the defensive #1's, our QB's did not get to play with our offensive #1's.  It works both ways.

 

I just don't think we can write off the team as being unwinnable without JA.  It was an overreaction on your part based on a single preseason game, and the first one to boot.  We are certainly not the same team without 17, but fortunately, there are 52 other players on the field who have a say in game outcomes.

[LabattBlue]

Said this in the GDT, but John Murphy needs to be replaced.  He is bad and has aways been bad.  Case in point…I was only in the car listening for 20 min. Talking about Alec Pierce…

 

”Alec Pierce, 7th round pick, no, 2nd round pick, make that 1st round pick…”

 

How about doing a little more prep work Murph.  This isn’t some scrub who won’t make it past the 1st cut.  He will probably be one of their top 3 WR’s. 
 

Just one example of his terrible work, but make no mistake, listen to the whole game, and the post would be lengthy. 

[Beerball]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

Easy.  One is the back up.  The other is Josh’s good friend. 

While only one game the backup was atrocious yesterday and Barkley has shown he can step in when needed.

[TheWeatherMan]

7 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

I anticipated this response and started addressing it in my initial post, but then I thought better of it.  Just as our offense was not playing against the defensive #1's, our QB's did not get to play with our offensive #1's.  It works both ways.

 

I just don't think we can write off the team as being unwinnable without JA.  It was an overreaction on your part based on a single preseason game, and the first one to boot.  We are certainly not the same team without 17, but fortunately, there are 52 other players on the field who have a say in game outcomes.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say, but this first sentence literally gave me a headache.  Our offense played against their D #1’s, not that it matters.  Keenum looked completely lost, his throws were either off, high or ill advised.  When your QB throws 2 awful picks, 1 fumble, and nearly got our RB killed I don’t think it’s an overreaction to say I have zero confidence he will improve over the next two games.  He’s a season vet not a rookie 7th rounder…zero excuse to play that awful.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

Situational awareness! I remember when I read his scouting report and it said “a coach’s dream”

 

[TFBillsfan]

For everyone debating Elam vs Benford, it’s a great probably to have! Kudos to both of them as they will be contributors going forward. Same with the WR group. With the quality of this roster, I would have to wager GM’s will be calling Beane about who is available for a trade or draft pick. 
 

I do wonder with the play of Duke and Blackshear if Taiwan Jones roster spot is in trouble? Duke’s speed is obvious. Also wonder where Crowder and Tavon Austin stand. Next week will be important for both of them. 
 

Lots of positives from this game. Three final thoughts, Matt Ryan looked bad, BillsMafia showed up in force and for all the great work the D did, can we stop giving up big chunks of yards after they make a sack or force the offense into long down distance. For example all too often, it’s 2nd/3rd and 20 and then they give up 15 yards playing soft D. 
 

Lets go Buffalo!
 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TPS]

6 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

For everyone debating Elam vs Benford, it’s a great probably to have! Kudos to both of them as they will be contributors going forward. Same with the WR group. With the quality of this roster, I would have to wager GM’s will be calling Beane about who is available for a trade or draft pick. 
 

I do wonder with the play of Duke and Blackshear if Taiwan Jones roster spot is in trouble? Duke’s speed is obvious. Also wonder where Crowder and Tavon Austin stand. Next week will be important for both of them. 
 

Lots of positives from this game. Three final thoughts, Matt Ryan looked bad, BillsMafia showed up in force and for all the great work the D did, can we stop giving up big chunks of yards after they make a sack or force the offense into long down distance. For example all too often, it’s 2nd/3rd and 20 and then they give up 15 yards playing soft D. 
 

Lets go Buffalo!
 

 

I had a similar thought based on Duke's KO returns.  However, Jones is he's also a gunner, so Duke or someone else on the roster would need to show well at the position.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Those Chad Hall boxing videos though..

 

Thats part of their side work.  A couple jabs/hand fight work and then dip the shoulder.  
 

Davis, Shakir, Hodgins … my goodness, if Beane doesn’t draft a mid-late round WR and CB every draft, it’s a crime against humanity at this point. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’m constantly amazed at the gaggle of  backup QBS hanging around the league. Chase Daniels played for the Chargers last night and the announcers said he’s made $40 million over the years and started a total of FIVE games. Case Keenum appears to be yet another one. I guess it shows how difficult it is to be really good at the QB position.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

Unofficially the longest punt in the NFL since 2013.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

is that NFL sanctioned? 

[nucci]

So, balled out, balling out, he's a baller....