DOLPHINS Player who practiced reeking of booze?

[BuffaloRebound]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/08/dan-campbell-dolphins-had-a-player-who-practiced-every-day-reeking-of-alcohol/

 

Gotta be Richie.  Discuss.  

[ALLEN1QB]

I hear he drank like a fish.

[sirebors]

I hate when I'm told I have to "discuss" by your post. Why is that necessary? Isn't that inherently the point of these message boards? Or is it you just being lazy and not wanting to "discuss" the topic yourself? You put a post, a name, and "discuss." I'd like to "discuss" you possibly not telling us to "discuss" anymore. 

[Gugny]

I don't understand the purpose or point of him making these comments.  Not only does it help absolutely no one; he's also setting himself up to be sued/punished in the future.  But he's done nothing but show the world how much of a moron he is since he was hired as a HC, so I'm not surprised.

[zow2]

I'm sure some reporter will take the time to research Dan Campbell's comments and narrow this down to a couple guys.  So he will have essentially outed someone, even though he was complimentary too.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, sirebors said:

I hate when I'm told I have to "discuss" by your post. Why is that necessary? Isn't that inherently the point of these message boards? Or is it you just being lazy and not wanting to "discuss" the topic yourself? You put a post, a name, and "discuss." I'd like to "discuss" you possibly not telling us to "discuss" anymore. 

YOU WILL DO AS YOU'RE TOLD!

[NoSaint]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/08/dan-campbell-dolphins-had-a-player-who-practiced-every-day-reeking-of-alcohol/

 

Gotta be Richie.  Discuss.  

says still playing today.

 

if you pull the rosters from 2010 to 2015 I bet there aren’t many guys left in the league.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

says still playing today.

 

if you pull the rosters from 2010 to 2015 I bet there aren’t many guys left in the league.

Landry, Richie, Tannehill… anybody else? 

10 minutes ago, sirebors said:

I hate when I'm told I have to "discuss" by your post. Why is that necessary? Isn't that inherently the point of these message boards? Or is it you just being lazy and not wanting to "discuss" the topic yourself? You put a post, a name, and "discuss." I'd like to "discuss" you possibly not telling us to "discuss" anymore. 

Yikes.  Didn’t mean to trigger you.  

[Captain Hindsight]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

says still playing today.

 

if you pull the rosters from 2010 to 2015 I bet there aren’t many guys left in the league.

Didn't specify what he was playing tho. Could be beer pong

[WhoTom]

15 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I don't understand the purpose or point of him making these comments. 

 

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

 

[MPL]

I mean, Tim Riggins was drunk the entire season when the Dillon Panthers won state. And then he got to date Lyla Garrity, so like, why aren't all of us going that route? 

[BillsShredder83]

Miami is an awful place for a rich addict to live! Def gotta be richie.

[DJB]

Rex Ryan called Bills games like he was drunk

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

 

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

 

I mean deep down is anyone surprised. Colleges push athletes through with degrees that are borderline illiterate at times. Not all those guys are making it to NFL... then what? I think its more evil than at nfl level 

[Clyde Smith]

Clinton Portis use to have a shot of Hennessey before games. Whatever gets you going lol.

[Matt_In_NH]

I have worked with people who reek of alcohol.  There are alcoholics in all walks of life.

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

 

 

Oh, I get all of that.  But he's also admitting to personally turning a blind eye, putting himself at risk.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

I'm not sure he's saying the second.  Why do you ASS U ME the team didn't offer help or interventions?  The team may have done both.

 

But there's another side, which is if the employee is using legal intoxicants like alcohol, and is showing up on time for work, attending meetings, and doing good work (and football teams have lots of metrics for this), there are practical limits to what employers can do. 

 

If the employer has rules against drinking in the building, and the employee is found to be drinking in the building, there's that of course.   If he's a jerk when he's drunk and he harasses the staff or creates issues for other players, there's "conduct detrimental".   If they have rules against walking in the door intoxicated, there's that, too.   But I'm not sure the NFLPA would allow teams to breathalyze a guy when he walks in the facility door every am?

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I mean deep down is anyone surprised. Colleges push athletes through with degrees that are borderline illiterate at times. Not all those guys are making it to NFL... then what? I think its more evil than at nfl level 

 

This ticks me off Big Time, especially when "student athletes" on the football or men's basketball teams are taking enrollment spots and scholarship money that could be used by hardworking disadvantaged students who would make great use of the chance to go to college.

[RobbRiddick]

Surely it was these guys

 

[Mc1320]

My bet would be Ray Finkle.

[Draconator]

2 minutes ago, Mc1320 said:

My bet would be Ray Finkle.

[WhoTom]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm not sure he's saying the second.  Why do you ASS U ME the team didn't offer help or interventions?  The team may have done both.

 

True. I guess I assumed that because he didn't mention having tried to get the guy help. That, coupled with the general corporate mentality that the only thing that matters is the bottom line, led me to conclude that the team simply didn't have a damn about the player. I could be wrong in that assumption.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, DJB said:

Rex Ryan called Bills games like he was drunk

 

Rex was just suffering de agony of de feet

 

Bada-BING

 

I'll show myself out.

 

22 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Oh, I get all of that.  But he's also admitting to personally turning a blind eye, putting himself at risk.  

 

I mean, look, Dan Campbell is the coach who talked about having his players bite other players knees off, which strikes me as 1) ineffective through all the padding and braces guys wear - who needs a mouthful of dirty Lycra and closed cell foam? Yuck-o 2) creepy and cannibalistic

 

So my expectations for him are low.

 

But, technically, he's admitting no such thing.  All organizations have a chain of command, and for all you and I know, he could be on record for following it to express concerns and even documenting that he did so.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, sirebors said:

I hate when I'm told I have to "discuss" by your post. Why is that necessary? Isn't that inherently the point of these message boards? Or is it you just being lazy and not wanting to "discuss" the topic yourself? You put a post, a name, and "discuss." I'd like to "discuss" you possibly not telling us to "discuss" anymore. 

Discussing “discuss” - how meta…

[Jay_Fixit]

I didn’t read the link. All I know is I probably won’t care.

 

If you’re practicing and reeking like booze, I’m more impressed with the fact you’re practicing. Live your life.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, sirebors said:

I hate when I'm told I have to "discuss" by your post. Why is that necessary? Isn't that inherently the point of these message boards? Or is it you just being lazy and not wanting to "discuss" the topic yourself? You put a post, a name, and "discuss." I'd like to "discuss" you possibly not telling us to "discuss" anymore. 

 

were your 217 other posts this awesome?

 

discuss...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

were your 217 other posts this awesome?

 

discuss...

 

Or better yet, Don't.

[Wacka]

Art Donovan told a story on Letterman from him playing i the late 50s. They sack Bobby Laine of the Lions  and Donovan said " Wow you reek. You must have had a hell of a light last night.  We'll get drunk sacking you. " Laine tells him" What last night.  I had a couple of shots at halftime."

[chris heff]

Baltmore Colts great defensive tackle Art Donovan wrote a very funny book called “Fatso”, one of his anecdotes was about a game against Bobby Lane lead Detroit Lions. Donovan sacked Lane a number of times in the first half, he sacked him again at the beginning of the second half. As he lay on top of Lane he said “Jesus Christ! Bob you stink of Jack Daniel’s!”, Lane replied “you’re killing me Artie I had to do something!”.

Just now, Wacka said:

Art Donovan told a story on Letterman from him playing i the late 50s. They sack Bobby Laine of the Lions  and Donovan said " Wow you reek. You must have had a hell of a light last night.  We'll get drunk sacking you. " Laine tells him" What last night.  I had a couple of shots at halftime."

Ha just beat me too it.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I've been hearing alot about recent former and current players using lots of weed while practicing and playing.

 

They say it helps with pain and recovery.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Yikes.  Didn’t mean to trigger you.  

 

Say 10 Hail Murray's as punishment.  

[machine gun kelly]

Yeah, and Pat Summerall was drunk weekly with Madden on football.  There are alcoholics in all walks of life.  A lot of the time it is self medicating.  I think it was Poyer who admitted he had a problem and was public on his rehab.

 

Im not sure the motivation on Campbell other than what we know that the NFL will put up with anything if you produce.  So does corporate America.  How many alcoholics are there on Wall Street?

 

Like everything, it is a personal decision and it’s progressive, so whoever it was he will eventually progress until it’s a real problem for him. Then maybe he’ll do something.

 

Im not trying to be callous, but my background (Irish Catholic from Buffalo) leads to a couple on my family.  It may be a generalization, but at least in my family true.  I’m overly cautious as a result.  Whoever it is he is speaking to, I hope he gets the help he needs when he’s ready to hear it.  It’s deaf ears until that time.

[phypon]

Look up Max McGee!!

[KDIGGZ]

52 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I didn’t read the link. All I know is I probably won’t care.

 

If you’re practicing and reeking like booze, I’m more impressed with the fact you’re practicing. Live your life.

I operate on the philosophy that I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't impact me or my family. When it comes to alcoholics they definitely can negatively impact other people. I doubt he's drinking and then taking a taxi to practice every time. Probably drunk or at least impaired driving on the daily. If he's showing up smelling of booze and the team didn't get him help or at least a personal driver then they are negligent

[Don Otreply]

43 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

 

Concerning your 2nd paragraph; NFL players do have access to all number of physical and mental health venues, but as the sayings go, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”, (and sometimes ya just can’t fix stupid) 
 

Concerning your 1st paragraph; It stands to reason, just look at all the women beaters that owners/league have snuggled up with over the years…,  money talks, everything else can take a stroll…,  the saying that “it’s just business” is at times akin to a free pass for being a dirt bag. 

 

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I have worked with people who reek of alcohol.  There are alcoholics in all walks of life.

 

no its just the big bad nfl.  people have to want help also.  

[Buffalo ill]

Makes me reflect back to Monday morning pt running in the Army.  Oh the smell of soldiers sweating out last night's binge.

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

He's trying to say that teams will put up with virtually any behavior as long as the player produces on the field. Winning is the only thing that matters.

 

He's actually saying that teams are willing to let a player ruin his own life without offering any help or interventions, as long as he produces on the field. Winning matters more than people.

 

 

Isn't that the bottom line in most businesses?  the end result is what matters.  You produce in your job, the company loves you.  You act crazy (within reason) outside of work, who cares as long as it doesn't effect your work performance.  As an adult you should be responsible for your own actions.   

[MiltonWaddams]

2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I have worked with people who reek of alcohol.  There are alcoholics in all walks of life.

I just started working with one of those. Oddly enough, I work from home......