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On 3/28/2022 at 11:23 AM, Steptide said:

Still don't understand the 2026 time frame. Is that worst case scenario? I feel like the stadium could/will be done before that, but what do I know 

Have to factor in the winter weather. But probably has to do with determining what to do with the existing structures on that land.

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10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is ridiculous, no goal posts and painted like a soccer field??? 

 

New NFL rules.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Michael1962 said:

Pardon my ignorance but I can't find anywhere whether or not the new plan comes with a roof/retractable roof?  

 

It doesn't.  Fan seats are covered by an overhang.  

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8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It doesn't.  Fan seats are covered by an overhang.  

To be honest, I think that is the perfect compromise.  Still have the outdoor home field advantage and the elements, fans have some protection from elements including heat.

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16 minutes ago, Michael1962 said:

Pardon my ignorance but I can't find anywhere whether or not the new plan comes with a roof/retractable roof?  



Its a new revolutionary concept where the roof is designed to let the elements in making it feel like your playing outdoors. 

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31 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is no goal posts and painted like a soccer field??? 

 

wonder who pitched the pitch..  probably a European architect 

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On 3/28/2022 at 3:43 PM, boater said:

That walk on the quarter-mile was absolute brutality in the winter. I understand that's it's now mostly shielded by buildings.

 

U know it.....back in 81 there was NOTHING but a line of trees on one side and a WIDE open field on the other.  Yeah the kids these days have it quite a bit easier.....

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21 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

To be honest, I think that is the perfect compromise.  Still have the outdoor home field advantage and the elements, fans have some protection from elements including heat.

 

Yeah.  Wind (the biggest problem) won't affect games, precipitation will be kept to a minimum and they can still have a grass field (a retractable field was never happening) which will help attract more FAs.  And the heated field should help melt snow before and during games to a degree, while the lack of infill will make it easy to clear off.

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

New NFL rules.

 

 

 

It doesn't.  Fan seats are covered by an overhang.  

I’ve read they are looking seriously as Seattle’s model.  
 

For me the wind is the problem, not the snow or rain.

 

what makes the wind so bad in OP, as a significant portion of the stadium is underground.

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16 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’ve read they are looking seriously as Seattle’s model.  
 

For me the wind is the problem, not the snow or rain.

 

what makes the wind so bad in OP, as a significant portion of the stadium is underground.

Seattle's is just one of many inspirations. They also mentioned LAFC's stadium, of all places. Any stadiums with overhangs and the use of ETFE plastic are the major templates, as they're trying to figure out the best way to do it for Buffalo. This place is going to be a marvel and I can't wait to see the first drawings.

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20 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’ve read they are looking seriously as Seattle’s model.  
 

For me the wind is the problem, not the snow or rain.

 

what makes the wind so bad in OP, as a significant portion of the stadium is underground.

I’ve been to 12 games in Seattle. That stadium is excellent. I wouldn’t complain if it is the template.

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Just now, MiltonWaddams said:

I’ve been to 12 games in Seattle. That stadium is excellent. I wouldn’t complain if it is the template.

I think the major characteristics they like with Seattle's is the intimate feel and the natural sound amplification.

 

I could also see them building something like the "Hawks nest" seating area, and the Populous team designed something similar for Tottenham. That kind of dedicated "hard core fan" section.

6 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Anyone know when plans will be released? 

They said drawings will be released within the next few months.

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19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I think the major characteristics they like with Seattle's is the intimate feel and the natural sound amplification.

oooh, I forgot about that.  Hopefully they have sound amplification in mind when thinking of the design.

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15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I live in Tampa, and one nice aspect of Tampa’s stadium is the pirate ship.  It’s just a fun place to go when you’re sick of sitting in the sun.

 

What's our pirate ship? Giant chicken wing? A dome shaped like beef on weck? 

 

A wall of lake effect snow would be sick. A giant statue of William Frederick "Buffalo Bill" Cody? 

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3 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

What's our pirate ship? Giant chicken wing? A dome shaped like beef on weck? 

 

A wall of lake effect snow would be sick. A giant statue of William Frederick "Buffalo Bill" Cody? 

 

I love it.

 

You could say "Have you checked out the new wing they built?" Literal wing.

 

And if they built it large enough and at an angle, it could look like the wing is being dipped into the stadium.

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6 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

What's our pirate ship? Giant chicken wing? A dome shaped like beef on weck? 

 

A wall of lake effect snow would be sick. A giant statue of William Frederick "Buffalo Bill" Cody? 

Big Marv Levy bobblehead bar?  The broken table saloon?  

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1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’ve read they are looking seriously as Seattle’s model.  
 

For me the wind is the problem, not the snow or rain.

 

what makes the wind so bad in OP, as a significant portion of the stadium is underground.

40° and a freezing rain say hello!

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53 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I think the major characteristics they like with Seattle's is the intimate feel and the natural sound amplification.

 

I could also see them building something like the "Hawks nest" seating area, and the Populous team designed something similar for Tottenham. That kind of dedicated "hard core fan" section.

They said drawings will be released within the next few months.

I’ve only sat in the Hawks Nest once. Rowdy atmosphere…but that’s by Seattle standards. The madness that Bills fans could produce if you only got the most rowdy fans would be nuts.

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9 minutes ago, ALF said:

Enjoy the lower prices for the next 4 seasons. Maybe splurge and try a club or suite seat for a few games. It will be more expensive in the new stadium. Just when inflation is hitting.

I relocated into better seats for this season for just this reason.  Sit in the best seats you can for the next 4 years, price of football is going to go way up.

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8 minutes ago, ALF said:

Enjoy the lower prices for the next 4 seasons. Maybe splurge and try a club or suite seat for a few games. It will be more expensive in the new stadium. Just when inflation is hitting.

 

I have a buddy who is building a house (since his problem child burned the old one to the ground…OOPS!). He’s been watching the cost of lumber, concrete, etc almost daily. I can’t imagine a project of stadium size and what the odds are of coming in on budget in this environment. Hopefully things stabilize, for a A LOT of reasons! 

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1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I believe the $200 mil. from the NFL is only a loan, interest free.

 

Up to $150 million of the loan is forgivable, repaid through the visiting teams' share of Bills ticket revenue over 25 years, and is contingent on both public financing and the Pegulas contributing at least $200 million of their own equity to the project, according to the terms of the league's "G-4" loan program, which helps fund stadium construction and renovations.

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11 minutes ago, nucci said:

 

Up to $150 million of the loan is forgivable, repaid through the visiting teams' share of Bills ticket revenue over 25 years, and is contingent on both public financing and the Pegulas contributing at least $200 million of their own equity to the project, according to the terms of the league's "G-4" loan program, which helps fund stadium construction and renovations.

Thanks as I knew someone would clarify for us.  Appreciate it.

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30 minutes ago, nucci said:

 

Up to $150 million of the loan is forgivable, repaid through the visiting teams' share of Bills ticket revenue over 25 years, and is contingent on both public financing and the Pegulas contributing at least $200 million of their own equity to the project, according to the terms of the league's "G-4" loan program, which helps fund stadium construction and renovations.

 

Yup, If Pegula doesn't repay it the other owners eat it.

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I have a buddy who is building a house (since his problem child burned the old one to the ground…OOPS!). He’s been watching the cost of lumber, concrete, etc almost daily. I can’t imagine a project of stadium size and what the odds are of coming in on budget in this environment. Hopefully things stabilize, for a A LOT of reasons! 

Many on here know that I’m an architect that designs large public commissions. Yes, the cost and availability of construction materials go up and down all the time just like the price of oil that you’re all so familiar with. The pandemic made it REALLY problematic. I can tell you that we don’t pay much attention to it on projects of this size. Trying to time the construction market is a fool’s errand. Our timelines from design to construction are simply far too long.

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3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I have a buddy who is building a house (since his problem child burned the old one to the ground…OOPS!). He’s been watching the cost of lumber, concrete, etc almost daily. I can’t imagine a project of stadium size and what the odds are of coming in on budget in this environment. Hopefully things stabilize, for a A LOT of reasons! 

This guy felt the same way in the 70’s! 
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