Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: He’s an athletic freak, but grossly under used in TB. He had Cameron Brate there who is also a very good TE and also Gronk the last 2 years. Then you have all the receivers and RBs catching passes. Just not enough balls to go around. He is big and very fast, he will be a matchup nightmare with Knox and him running the seams Thanks 1) how's his blocking? 2) some people saying he didn't come back well from his Achilles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: I think we'll be seeing a lot of 12 and 13 personnel. I could see Dorsey running a more balanced scheme, with a lot of play action concepts. I'm all for it. Buffalo started playing their best ball when they committed to a running game in the 2nd half of the Tampa Bay game. Yup, force teams to play the box too, as opposed to just sitting on the mid/deep. Being dangerous at all levels keeps the D honest. We saw a nice improvement in knoxs’ blocking last season, hopefully it continues. We really might be unstoppable…..as long as our OL is good enough. It’s going to be the key to the season, again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yup, force teams to play the box too, as opposed to just sitting on the mid/deep. Being dangerous at all levels keeps the D honest. We saw a nice improvement in knoxs’ blocking last season, hopefully it continues. We really might be unstoppable…..as long as our OL is good enough. It’s going to be the key to the season, again. And the Saffold signing. He's a very strong run blocker. I feel like they're gearing up for a more power based scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: And the Saffold signing. He's a very strong run blocker. I feel like they're gearing up for a more power based scheme. Yeah, he scares me in pass protection though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 As long as Knox can stay healthy, this is all upside in my eyes! He's not being asked to be the #1 guy, he's not being paid a ton, and he's got 1 year to earn a new contract. So even if his track record suggests he's likely to get injured again, the Bills will get his best for at least some time. Knox will still be here, Diggs will still be here, Davis will still be here, etc. & if OJ's around for the playoffs, it's just one more redzone threat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Knox and Howard has to be one of the most athletic TE pairings in the league. The Bills can now operate out of 12 personnel and not be predictable — as opposed to last year when Tommy Doyle’s presence tipped the run. Knox and Howard up the seams with Diggs and Davis on the outside is gonna be tough for defenses. Both TEs are “too fast for an LB, too big for a safety” guys. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think Howard is gonna ball out and earn himself a big payday in 2023. Edited March 17, 2022 by Logic 5 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Why are a bunch of fans happy to bring in a guy who can't stay healthy, has been largely a bust and looks washed after a dreaded Achilles tear in 2020? What you saw last year is post Achiles OJ Howard. 3.5 million for 140 yards and 1 TD? Could have all but locked up Bates for the same money (2nd round tender is 3.8 million) I don't get it D Williams came on with us his second year removed from injury on a prove it type contract. This looks to be a similar approach. Not a bad idea, especially if it pays off. I can’t imagine the Bills don’t have a some insight on the injury. We’ll see I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I've wanted OJ Howard since 2017 and I'm still pretty happy with even possibly broken OJ Howard. Averaged over 15 ypc his first two seasons, had unreal athleticism at one point, hopefully still does. Think it's safe to say this is an obvious Sweeney upgrade, as much as we love you Tommy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thanks 1) how's his blocking? 2) some people saying he didn't come back well from his Achilles? Hes been a good blocker from what I have known. As far as the Achilles goes, it can take a full season to truly rebound from that, so I’m not too worried about it at this point, I expect him to be back to near he was this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 It's going to be all about the Achillies but he's actually averaged nearly 15 yards per catch his career. That's insane for a TE. Like a deep threat TE? Kelce who's your A+ TE who does WR things averages about 12.5 ypc, nobody else really comes close at the position. Most TE's are sub-10. I'm assuming this is a bit of a dice roll - kind of hoping for a special weapon for a special QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Maybe it works out maybe it doesn't, but it does feel like he could be one of those TEs that gets moved after not making it one place only to flourish somewhere else. Edited March 17, 2022 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 They said he was the most complete tight end prospect in a decade when he was drafted at #18. Hasn't shown it yet, but just maybe Buffalo and Josh Allen will be the key to unlocking all that talent. 250lbs and faster than Singletary, Moss, Davis,(much faster than McKissic😂) and almost as fast as Beasley. He and Knox down the middle will be matchup nightmares and keep safeties occupied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Nelius said: I've wanted OJ Howard since 2017 and I'm still pretty happy with even possibly broken OJ Howard. Averaged over 15 ypc his first two seasons, had unreal athleticism at one point, hopefully still does. Think it's safe to say this is an obvious Sweeney upgrade, as much as we love you Tommy. Bruce Arians famously underuses tight ends in the passing game (with the exception of Gronk the past couple seasons, which I view as more Brady’s influence than Arians’). Assuming he’s healthy, I like his chances to have a big year and earn a big payday in 2023 (likely elsewhere, as we’ll need to pay Knox). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Turk71 said: They said he was the most complete tight end prospect in a decade when he was drafted at #18. Hasn't shown it yet, but just maybe Buffalo and Josh Allen will be the key to unlocking all that talent. 250lbs and faster than Singletary, Moss, Davis,(much faster than McKissic😂) and almost as fast as Beasley. He and Knox down the middle will be matchup nightmares and keep safeties occupied. You can't count his pre-draft measurables anymore since he's torn his achilles, he may not be faster than any of those guys, who knows. Nobody returns to 100% of their prior athleticism, but that doesn't mean he still can't be good. Crabtree had some solid seasons after he tore his, though he wasn't as explosive as before it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, 947 said: You can't count his pre-draft measurables anymore since he's torn his achilles, he may not be faster than any of those guys, who knows. Nobody returns to 100% of their prior athleticism, but that doesn't mean he still can't be good. Crabtree had some solid seasons after he tore his, though he wasn't as explosive as before it. Agreed I've no idea how fast he is now. I think he definitely improves the te group and possibly by a lot. We 'll see, I have a good feeling this works out really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 hours ago, NewEra said: Maybe they had planned on signing (rb2) mckissic and drafting (te2) Trey McBride 25 overall. When they lost mckissic they pivoted to paying Oj that 3.5 and drafting Breece Hall 25 overall. Maybe…. @Solomon Grundy I would totally take Breece Hall at 25. I’d go Kyler Gordon with the 2nd round and a 3rd round WR like a WanDale Robinson. But that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) he was one of my favorite players in his draft An athletic freak who can stretch the field and be a big play machine It's if he wants it and how much he's willing to work... Because he has it all Edited March 17, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, davefan66 said: Reminds of Kelly driving into town in the limo when he signed. Kent Hull was just signed and in the limo with him. Kent (also a USFL casualty) rode in the back of a van to from airport to OBD, quietly seeing the streets lined with Kelly fans. Kent came the same day as Kelly (another EX-USFL guy) but rode in a van behind Kelly’s limo, seeing the streets lined with fans 12 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: If he can become anything close to what he was supposed to be....... I’ll finish this for you …he can make 13 Second Prevent Defense unnecessary. 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yup but I'm greedy. Draft Jameson in the 1st and the best available CB in the 2nd. No excuses boys and girls. The Pegulas have set everything up. Given that the NFL’s reigning #1 Defense just super-sized its front line players with 3 new studs, I don’t see DL even being addressed in the Draft, let alone Round 1. I think CB and 5 years on a rookie deal is the focus. Edited March 17, 2022 by Chandler#81 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Can we give him #32? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Knox is our play making TE. If O.J. Howard turns into a 300 yard TE2, we are in great shape. We need a second option who can make some big plays but doesn't need to be the focal point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 7 hours ago, BigDingus said: As long as Knox can stay healthy, this is all upside in my eyes! He's not being asked to be the #1 guy, he's not being paid a ton, and he's got 1 year to earn a new contract. So even if his track record suggests he's likely to get injured again, the Bills will get his best for at least some time. Knox will still be here, Diggs will still be here, Davis will still be here, etc. & if OJ's around for the playoffs, it's just one more redzone threat. And Beasely is still here, for now.... Need a few more moves to reduce the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, TPS said: And Beasely is still here, for now.... Need a few more moves to reduce the cap. And the crown jewel Lil Dirty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: My buddy had an episode that involved the police after the Colts playoff win, he drank several of those during the game. No charges but close call, those things are not good Worst night of my life started with those things.. almost died, NEVER again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This is such a sneaky good signing. 2020 season popped his Achilles (that is something takes awhile to come back from specially for an athletic guy) 2022 should be back healthy, so lets see if he can find himself again like he was in 2020 before the injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 PSE praying for a HOF Bills career for Howard so when they replace the names on the new stadium wall, they can just put "OJ". phew.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I think this type of FA makes a difference without teams taking too much notice...OJ Howard has real potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Worst night of my life started with those things.. almost died, NEVER again. Jesus, too many? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Maynard said: Jesus, too many? Didn’t seem as though it was, but started the night by slamming 2 of them in about a 15 minute span. It got real ugly from there. This was at the tail end of my college party days, I was a professional drinker, never have I ever been in such a state before or after that night. Most people have a bad experience with them and many have horror stories. The caffeine over load and the high abv is/was an awful combo if you put them down quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Cray51 said: Can block and catch, was stuck behind Cameron Brate and Gronk. Needed a change of scenery, love his size and athleticism He's not a bad blocker... his hands have improved...he was progressing nicely, until Arians took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Jon Ledyard @LedyardNFLDraft who covers the Bucs was just on WGR at 8:37am and gave a scouting report on Howard. He said he has not come back from the achilles yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: He’s an athletic freak, but grossly under used in TB. He had Cameron Brate there who is also a very good TE and also Gronk the last 2 years. Then you have all the receivers and RBs catching passes. Just not enough balls to go around. He is big and very fast, he will be a matchup nightmare with Knox and him running the seams Outside if the Bills, I watch more Bucs games than most given I live here. Howard was just passed over for the other two TE’s, and they have a bunch of solid WR’s. Why do you think Brady went to Tampa. Good line, good weapons, good defense. Howard should play a bigger role here in Buff. I’m very happy about our off-season. Just pick the BPA for all of our picks and be happy of you can trade up for anyone. My guess is things will calm down now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Outside if the Bills, I watch more Bucs games than most given I live here. Howard was just passed over for the other two TE’s, and they have a bunch of solid WR’s. Why do you think Brady went to Tampa. Good line, good weapons, good defense. Howard should play a bigger role here in Buff. I’m very happy about our off-season. Just pick the BPA for all of our picks and be happy of you can trade up for anyone. My guess is things will calm down now. I think it was more the injury than anything else. Guy had some game breaking plays and was on his way, IMO. Hopefully he's healthy because he's a dynamic athlete that can stretch the field and would be a great fit for Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 hours ago, aristocrat said: Freak athlete coming off the 2020 injury so hope he gets back to previous health and he work for a bigger contract elsewhere Hes underperformed his entire career in TB. Hes Evan Engram before Evan Engram. Maybe he can get into a good mindset here. I still think its a good signing because hes so cheap and Sweeny was pretty bad given his chances. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Outside if the Bills, I watch more Bucs games than most given I live here. Howard was just passed over for the other two TE’s, and they have a bunch of solid WR’s. Why do you think Brady went to Tampa. Good line, good weapons, good defense. Howard should play a bigger role here in Buff. I’m very happy about our off-season. Just pick the BPA for all of our picks and be happy of you can trade up for anyone. My guess is things will calm down now. I think OJ Howard will have a marginally bigger role here, from TE3/2 to clear TE2. But I don't think Howard is enough to make any offensive philosophy changes - such as large increase in 12 personnel. He is too undependable, too many unforced drops. I think the FO is still has a plan for the Beas/Sanders replacement and Howard is not part of that equation. OJ is being paid like a TE2 and is certainly an upgrade from last year. OJ will have his chance to upgrade his pay potential in how he shows when Knox is hurt. If OJ can show well, and that means cleaning up his drops, he'll position himself for a larger payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Solid number 2 16 hours ago, Rigotz said: The embodiment of McDermott and Beane known as McBeane 💪💪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This doesn’t excite me as much as other people but it’s at least an upgrade backing up Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Another under the radar type of move that didn't get much attention because of the Miller signing. Howard was buried on the depth chart in Tampa but has shown he has big play potential and could be a 'baby gronk' type of player for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 hours ago, NewEra said: I’m in heaven!!! Finally some 2TE sets!! 100%. We can screen out of WR set any given time and we can screen 2TE sets and now we got a RG with some agility on top of it all... Those screens can come from anywhere now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I’m excited about this signing...could be comeback year for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I really, really like this signing, although an achilles injury is one of those injuries that you may never come back 100%. Takeo Spikes was an absolute great player but never really came back from his achilles injury. I think Sam Cowart was the same. If Howard can come back with 90% of potential he flashed before injury, I think we may have something special. He averaged 16.6 yards per reception each of his first two years in the league. That's insane for a TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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