Khalil Mack traded to Chargers for 2nd and 6th round picks

[ndirish1978]

I'm still pretty upset we didn't make this trade. Unless we get Chandler Jones, then I'll only be pretty miffed.

[Process]

Just now, ndirish1978 said:

I'm still pretty upset we didn't make this trade. Unless we get Chandler Jones, then I'll only be pretty miffed.

Huh? Signing Jones would be a much better move. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Now watch Denver bring back Von Miller to be opposite Bradley Chubb

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Close your eyes and for a moment imagine the Jets drafting Allen. Then evaluate Beane's performance. It has been filled with ups and downs. Diggs trade was amazing. Keeping Milano and Johnson was good. The contracts for Star and Murphy and some of the other dead weight he has acquired have been really bad. Even the decent FA signings like Morse and Williams were overpriced.  His drafts outside of Allen are good not great - Bass, Knox, Davis, Oliver all solid picks. Apparent terrible misses on Ford, Epenesa, and maybe Moss.  Edmunds is a story in and of itself. 

 

Without Allen, it's conceivable both Beane and McDermott would have been fired by now. But even with their mistakes Allen makes up for all of it. 

He’s had a bunch of bad misses.  As do all GMs. Literally, all of them.  

Mcdermott made the playoffs during a tank season with tank talent.  If we didn’t have allen, we’d probably have another QB that is likely better than Tyrod….and mcD likely would’ve made the playoffs with them too.  He’s a good coach.  

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

I'm still pretty upset we didn't make this trade. Unless we get Chandler Jones, then I'll only be pretty miffed.

Bills better be serious about upgrading the RB position too to slow down the pass rush that'll be coming their way

[todd]

55 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Bean has made it very clear by now that he thinks JA and a bunch of role players can win a Championship.  It can't.  The Rams proved this, the Bucs the year before who with Brady still went out and added key high-production players.  Bean is awful.  Thanks for getting us here, time for a GM who knows how to construct teams that can actually not blow games on D.  

So diggs is a role player? Wow, ok. 

[junior]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Huh? Signing Jones would be a much better move. 

 

Yeah, what? Give me the guy who'll likely make less $/yr and require no assets to acquire.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Beane has talked a big game in terms of pass rushers. I've seen a lot of them move around. We've been interested in a few them but haven't landed any.
 

It's time to pull the trigger and get one. 

[ndirish1978]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

Huh? Signing Jones would be a much better move. 

 

Don't tell my feelings to listen to your logic.

[junior]

Can someone please find me a GM who's had a 5 year stint without a miss?

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

year 3 for Herbert.

 

time for him to take his spot on top of the mountain.

Maybe let’s get the chargers to the playoffs first

 

baby steps

[Scott7975]

24 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's easy to give credit to Beane for Allen and Diggs (although he could have had a younger, better player that the Vikings drafted with our pick).

 

But I think the biggest problem with all the slobbering over Beane is fans are projecting what they believe and think is going to happen under his watch (i.e. winning a SB someday) vs. the actual reality of the situation.

 

And that reality is a few division titles and one AFC championship blowout loss. And outside of Allen and Diggs trade most of his top draft picks haven't amounted to much so far. This is why a lot of folks feel he'd be better off making a Diggs like trade again but for the defense now.

 

No matter what way you slice it, if Beane doesn't make a power move soon in form of trade or FA signing there is absolutely nothing to indicate this team is going to be among the elite contenders in 2022. They may not even win the division depending on what the Pats and Dolphins do. Allen can't do everything especially with marginal garbage on defense which is still this teams biggest issue regardless of the hollow regular season rankings and stat padding against backups.

 

So third year in a row you are gonna go with Pats and Dolphins huh?  I guess if you keep saying it then it is bound to happen eventually and you can claim your victory.

[FilthyBeast]

I can't imagine the Pegula's are standing in Beane's way. If anything they probably greenlighted a move like this some time ago even if it means giving up multiple 1st round picks and/or backing up the brinks truck because that is what it's going to take to land a premier talent.

 

And a true elite pass rusher does so much for the rest of this team  that some folks may not even be considering including freeing up Ed Oliver more, helping accelerate Rouseau/Bashman's development, etc. Heck it might even make Edmunds look like a legit NFL MLB if he's still here.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

I would’ve gladly given up a 2nd and a 6th for Mack. That’s incredible. Hope we don’t roll out geriatric Hughes and Addison again. 

They gave up less because they absorb the contract. If the contract wasn’t structured that way it would have been more. The Bills could not have absorbed the contract and could sign another DE like Chandler Jones for a contract they can structure  to fit their cap in FA  and give up nothing. It’s a deal the chargers could do but most could not. 

Edited March 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[First Round Bust]

sorry guys, keep the day jobs, and leave the heavy lift to Beano cuz:

 

1. declining stats - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/stats-valuation/ - missed majority of last seaso

2. wrong side of 30 - he is 31+

3. 3 years of increasing cap that we really cannot afford - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/

 

so whose right the Bears or Bolts, we hall see, and I say Bears

 

 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

So I trust the process. I don’t always agree with everything. The fact that they were not in on this at that price kinda makes me feel like they have something else in the works. Or Beane really likes this draft. 

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Neither did Von Miller who was hurt and had low sack numbers the last few years with Denver. But he had 7 sacks down the stretch for the Rams in about half a season there and also had 4 sacks in the playoffs including 2 in the SB win against the Bengals.

 

I don't care about not getting Mack if something bigger is planned. But if we are sitting here a few months from now looking at a dline with mostly the same guys as last year + another marginal 4 sack a season FA and unproven draft pick I imagine a lot of fans are going to be a bit antsy and truly questioning the long term viability of this current regime.

 

Everyone knows what needs to be done and not just the fanbase....

You do realized we were 10th in the NFL in sacks and 5th in QB pressures right?  We also have 3 DE’s taken in the first 2 rounds of the last 2 drafts to get on the field more too.

 

Our need here is being over exaggerated.  I’m all for upgrades, don’t get me wrong, but people literally slamming Beane right now over not trading for Mack.

 

And yes, Miller did fine for Rams, but he was playing with the best DL player of our generation, and maybe ever, in Darnold, and that makes everyone’s job easier.  Doesn’t mean Von has same impact if he landed here, and Beane did inquire about a Miller trade too.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, junior said:

Can someone please find me a GM who's had a 5 year stint without a miss?

 

I’m not even sure if it was a miss. Time will tell.

 

But yes, NOBODY is perfect and gets it right 100% of the time. Just be right more than the other guys, that is the key. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Would most of you agree this is our window? If so then it’s up to Beane and the coaching staff to take this to the next level. They have done a lot of good but we can’t play runner up anymore. 
 

 Very soon we have decisions to make on Poyer and Hyde. The window is going to close at some point and we will need to replenish the roster, in areas where we have enjoyed much consistency since they arrived.   We cant afford to be whiffing on draft picks or drafting three Defensive ends every year hoping one will hit..
 

Parody is too great in the NFL , our team was supposedly the best roster last season but all it takes is 13 seconds to end all that talk. It’s not foolish to think we may see just one Super Bowl in the next ten years. 

 

Give me One Super Bowl and I can withstand whatever comes with it. 

 

I do agree though that we have to see how Free Agency plays out. It will be interesting to say the least. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Would most of you agree this is our window? If so then it’s up to Beane and the coaching staff to take this to the next level. They have done a lot of good but we can’t play runner up anymore. 
 

 Very soon we have decisions to make on Poyer and Hyde. The window is going to close at some point and we will need to replenish the roster, in areas where we have enjoyed much consistency since they arrived.   We cant afford to be whiffing on draft picks or drafting three Defensive ends every year hoping one will hit..
 

Parody is too great in the NFL , our team was supposedly the best roster last season but all it takes is 13 seconds to end all that talk. It’s not foolish to think we may see just one Super Bowl in the next ten years. 

 

Give me One Super Bowl and I can withstand whatever comes with it. 

 

I do agree though that we have to see how Free Agency plays out. It will be interesting to say the least. 

The window is open as long as Allen is QB

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again, current salary cap means nothing

 

Stopped reading after this. So many of you live in a fantasy land that there are no consequences or penalties for doing so and you're just plain wrong.

[MasterStrategist]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s had his share of hits and misses.  Luckily for him (and us) his hits are 0-2 bottom on 9, gw grand slam type hits.  He’s a very good GM but he has a laundry list of somewhat bad misses. 

Every GM has misses, bottom line he turned Buffalo into a top 3-5 team for the foreseeable future.  That's after inheriting a ton of bad salary cap mismanagement, no QB, and a team that hadn't made the playoffs in ages.

 

I like Mack too, but not at the expense of a 2nd rounder and the cap hit he carries...at his age and foot issue, it's a risk.  Chandler Jones, much more desirable, other options exist in the draft as well.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The window is open as long as Allen is QB

Not as simple as that. Yes we're always contenders with Allen but we have about $20 million more in cap space to use on players around Allen right now. That window is closing. It's basically a cap space window. 

 

We've blown a lot of cap on mediocre defensive lineman during Allen's cheap years.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Alphadawg7]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s had his share of hits and misses.  Luckily for him (and us) his hits are 0-2 bottom on 9, gw grand slam type hits.  He’s a very good GM but he has a laundry list of somewhat bad misses. 

True for all great GMs.  Bill Walsh, considered one of the GOATS. traded up for JJ Stokes and called him the next Jerry Rice.  He also referred to Jim Drunkenmiller as the next Joe Montana.  
 

No GM bats a 1000.  But Beane not only has grand slams, but he has drafted very well and found many starting players who are all key contributors.  Allen, Oliver, Edmunds, Levi, Knox, Davis, Brown, Singletary, Rousseau, etc.  

 

He has also signed guys that went on to be important players for us all across the roster.  
 

Beane has had a lot more hits than misses and is widely considered one of top minds and GMs in football right now.  Not to mention, he’s been a master at maximizing trade values, structuring contracts, etc.  

Edited March 10, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm waiting for the two defensive players that approached the Bills to be named Chandler Jones and Calais Campbell. Then all bets are off

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Maybe let’s get the chargers to the playoffs first

 

baby steps

Herbert is already behind pace.

 

by year 2 most of the top QBs are either MVP or Super Bowl Champs/Super Bowl Appearing,

 

He can’t fall Behind too much more or else he starts to become this generations Warren moon/Philip rivers

 

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

For sure it did with a 34 year old quarterback

 

Josh is 25 and we can have him here for another 10-15 years.. we need to be smart around him

Be smart sure.  But don’t be apathetic to making big moves to go all in.

 

Buffalo has already had three solid looks at going to the Super Bowl.  Two of those opportunities ended by epically blowing leads.

 

And now you have other teams in the AFC loading up to make your trip there even harder.

 

There’s just a little too much Darcy Regier on the way Brandon been talks about wanting to make sure you build consistency and never pushing all your chips in a single season for my taste.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Herbert is already behind pace.

 

by year 2 most of the top QBs are either MVP or Super Bowl Champs/Super Bowl Appearing,

 

He can’t fall Behind too much more or else he starts to become this generations Warren moon/Philip rivers

 

😂😂Herbert is a good young QB and they’ve built a nice team around him

 

just needs some seasoning

[buffalobillswin]

The good news is that the west can beat up on each other and we can get the remains of whoever limps out of it. 

[Jerry Jabber]

31 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

And his remaining contract is 63.9M over the next 3 years

Ouch!!!

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Von Miller is two years older and went for more as a half season rental. 

 

I get that it's also a salary dump for the Bears but damn, how did they only get a 2nd. 

Tells me there wasn’t much of a market 

[ALLEN1QB]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Give It a Rest

Fine.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not as simple as that. Yes we're always contenders with Allen but we have about $20 million more in cap space to use on players around Allen right now. That window is closing. It's basically a cap space window. 

 

We've blown a lot of cap on mediocre defensive lineman during Allen's cheap years.

I get that his contract will accelerate. I just don’t think that difference in cap space offsets the value of a top QB to worry about windows in free agency.

[Big Turk]

Again. Nobody has been "traded" yet. Deals have simply been agreed to in principle, but no trades can be completed until after the start of the league year.

 

Plenty of time for teams to back out of these deals or get better ones. I wouldn't count on any of these until they are made official.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Herbert is already behind pace.

 

by year 2 most of the top QBs are either MVP or Super Bowl Champs/Super Bowl Appearing,

 

He can’t fall Behind too much more or else he starts to become this generations Warren moon/Philip rivers

 

Be smart sure.  But don’t be apathetic to making big moves to go all in.

 

Buffalo has already had three solid looks at going to the Super Bowl.  Two of those opportunities ended by epically blowing leads.

 

And now you have other teams in the AFC loading up to make your trip there even harder.

 

There’s just a little too much Darcy Regier on the way Brandon been talks about wanting to make sure you build consistency and never pushing all your chips in a single season for my taste.

Beans biggest mistake was keeping Trent Murphy as 3rd DE when he could've cut him to save $8 million in cap space or use it to go for a big fish. Instead we had Addison and Murphy eating like $18 million in cap space the year we went to the AFC Championship. 

 

Imagine that $18 million used on a premier pass rusher? 

[MiltonWaddams]

50 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

So you're saying doing nothing is fine? 

No, I’m saying that there is still a week until free agency tampering opens and that the fact they haven’t done anything yet isn’t an indictment on the quality of general manager we see in Buffalo. You may want him to jump at every opportunity, but he hast to work within the Cap structure and ensure that the long-term viability of having a high level team is in place. I’m not someone who worships Beane as as the greatest GM in NFL history, but I am also well aware of the fact that he is assuredly one of the best out there currently based on the way that team has been built and has competed over the past two seasons, maybe three. Maybe you have recency bias or just became a fan in the last few years, but I’ve been through close to 20 years of abysmal play from this franchise and I am not about to get down on one of the men who lead us out of that.

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

So I trust the process. I don’t always agree with everything. The fact that they were not in on this at that price kinda makes me feel like they have something else in the works. Or Beane really likes this draft. 

The fact they were not in on this price is because they weren’t able or willing to take on his entire contract and The chargers were. 3 years 63.9 million. 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, FluffHead said:

Meanwhile Beane taking a buddy nix nap

 

 

 

 

What is difference between a Buddy Nix nap and a fluffernutter coma?  Bigger dreams.

 

[gonzo1105]

I mean maybe the guy gets revitalized in a new city but he has been pretty average the last couple of years with a bloated salary. He should be able to have more success due to Bosa being there and a good dline but the Bills dont have the cap space to be taking on that massive of a salary right now. Everyone gets all up in arms about every move every other team makes. 

 

This time last year it was how the Chiefs were adding all these big stars in Orlando Brown, Jarran Reed, Joe Thuney and we were doomed and falling further behind pace of the Chiefs. If we didn't have coaching blunders that same Bills team would have beaten the Chiefs. Sometimes big stars dont really amount to much in the end. 

[TheWeatherMan]

Chargers are paying their starting DE’s $59M this year.  That’s more than we are paying our top 4 players.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Chargers are paying their starting DE’s $59M this year.  That’s more than we are paying our top 4 players.  

 

 

How can they afford to pay gunners on special teams?